The Australian Greens party

[Purple XS2]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

If you are a typical Green's supporter, and you are the type of person Labor is sucking up to for preferences, the next three years will be very nasty indeed.

For a country whose economy is almost wholly dependent on it's extractive industries, what you say is sheer stupidity.

C: I would venture the opinion that for this country to have its economy almost wholly dependent on its extractive industries isn't real smart either. History would suggest it always ends in tears.

Regards, P.

 

[Calliope]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

C: I would venture the opinion that for this country to have its economy almost wholly dependent on its extractive industries isn't real smart either. History would suggest it always ends in tears.

You are right. If the Chinese economy fails, ours fails too. But keeping the economic illiterate Bob Brown out of the decision making process, gives us a better chance to cope.

Brown is basing his economic prowess on the fact that he backed the second stimulus package, which most think was a disaster.

 

[Mofra]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

C: I would venture the opinion that for this country to have its economy almost wholly dependent on its extractive industries isn't real smart either. History would suggest it always ends in tears.

Our third largest industry is education (foreign students) - anti-immigration rhetoric is already hurting the industry (drop in current enrolments as opposed to last year) - too bad the marginal seats tend to be those with the least progressive constituants, as the current political spin from both parties is actively hurting our only major value-add industry and making us more beholden to China's whims.

 

[explod]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

Oh God! I've tried really hard to be charitable about your utter naivete, Explod, but this is just too much.


.

Never mind Julia, we have to have the practical and we have to have the dreamers, it makes for ballance and hopefully progress for humankind

Off to the airport now, next two weeks in the sunshine at Cains.

 

[Mofra]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

So tell me, with Bob Brown's policy to close down coal fired power stations and coal mines, how does he plan to have base load power stations without coal or uranium. Please don't tell me renewable energy, because it just won't work.

Is answering "Thorium" too smart-arsed an answer?

 

[Mofra]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

But the Greens' fans don't spare a millisecond's thought for the economy, moXJO. They just want to feel good, even if they're not quite sure why.

But the two major parties are directly hurting our 3rd biggest earner!
Neither major party cares much about the economy when political expediency is there for the taking.

 

[prawn_86]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

I would argue that the 2 major parties have been letting Aus go backwards, or at least stagnate for the last 20 or so years. Why not give someone else a shot, surely it cant be any worse?

 

[Calliope]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

Off to the airport now, next two weeks in the sunshine at Cains.

Obviously you prefer global warming to global cooling, as do thousands of your fellow Victorians.

 

[Julia]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

Never mind Julia, we have to have the practical and we have to have the dreamers, it makes for ballance and hopefully progress for humankind

Off to the airport now, next two weeks in the sunshine at Cains.

You're probably right, Explod. You might like the following:

Dreams are the soul's pantry.
Keep it well stocked and your soul will never hunger.
......Cindy Williams

Hope you have a good holiday, untroubled by political woes.

 

[Knobby22]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

I would argue that the 2 major parties have been letting Aus go backwards, or at least stagnate for the last 20 or so years. Why not give someone else a shot, surely it cant be any worse?

I don't think that's true, but I would like to see some new thinking, some vision.

What is being done to encourage the economy to develop high tech manufacturing for instance? Can't we form a trade block with the South Pacific and manufacture cheaper products there as well as improve farming.
So many options, so little vision from the current would be leaders.

I wouldn't mind the Greens getting more popular, if it mean't the major parties had to lift their game.

 

[prawn_86]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

I wouldn't mind the Greens getting more popular, if it mean't the major parties had to lift their game.

Yes, another benefit of a vote for the greens, or any other non lib or labor party

 

[drsmith]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

Never mind Julia, we have to have the practical and we have to have the dreamers, it makes for ballance and hopefully progress for humankind

Practicality and dreaming rarely go together.

Off to the airport now, next two weeks in the sunshine at Cains.

The Greens want environmental costs incorporated into the cost of air travel.

http://greens.org.au/policies/sustainable-economy/sustainable-planning-and-transport

Sounds all warm and fuzzy but where's the detail ?
Does it mean they want to price air travel beyond the reach of ordinary Australians ?

I would argue that the 2 major parties have been letting Aus go backwards, or at least stagnate for the last 20 or so years. Why not give someone else a shot, surely it cant be any worse?

From a overall policy perspective, what do the Greens offer that is better ?

 

[prawn_86]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

From a overall policy perspective, what do the Greens offer that is better ?

Something different to the standard large party thinking. Both major parties are stale and virtually the same and just rely on the ignorance of the general populace to maintain power.

As i said before i would rather give someone else a crack (be they Greens or Independents) at running the country, because you cant really do any worse than what the major parties have done.

 

[sinner]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

From a overall policy perspective, what do the Greens offer that is better ?

Weren't you just on the policy website?

For me it is just about one, that's right, one issue that everyone seems to have forgotten:

The Greens seem to be the only ones who remember what power-grab junk was enacted under the aegis of counter-terrorism, the only ones even remotely concerned with the rights of the citizenry at large, etc. I was hoping Labor would do something about this, but it became apparent very very quickly that they were just as interested in the power grab as the last guy.

The Greens have stated they will repeal anti-sedition laws and reform counter-terrorism laws.

That is good enough for me to put them ahead of all other parties.

 

[drsmith]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

Something different to the standard large party thinking. Both major parties are stale and virtually the same and just rely on the ignorance of the general populace to maintain power.

The Greens rely more on public ignorance than either of the major parties. Their policies are little more than feelgood statements with no tangable assessment of overall economic impact.

How is their difference better overall ?

As i said before i would rather give someone else a crack (be they Greens or Independents) at running the country, because you cant really do any worse than what the major parties have done.

The governence of some countries overseas would tend to suggest otherwise.

 

[nioka]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

The Greens seem to be the only ones who remember what power-grab junk was enacted under the aegis of counter-terrorism, the only ones even remotely concerned with the rights of the citizenry at large, etc.

The Greens have stated they will repeal anti-sedition laws and reform counter-terrorism laws.

That is good enough for me to put them ahead of all other parties.

Almost enough to remind me not to vote for them. But then I'm one of the "If it moves shoot it, if it doesn't, chop it down" in the eyes of a lot of greenies.

 

[prawn_86]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

The Greens have stated they will repeal anti-sedition laws and reform counter-terrorism laws.

That is good enough for me to put them ahead of all other parties.

Yep, the major parties seem hell bent on eroding freedoms. The Greens were the 1st to oppose the Internet filter also. A lot of their drug ideas are quite progressive also, both of these are enough to (probably) get my vote.

Im the first to admit that they have a lot of bad policies, but so do all parties

 

[drsmith]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

Weren't you just on the policy website?

For me it is just about one, that's right, one issue that everyone seems to have forgotten:

The Greens seem to be the only ones who remember what power-grab junk was enacted under the aegis of counter-terrorism, the only ones even remotely concerned with the rights of the citizenry at large, etc. I was hoping Labor would do something about this, but it became apparent very very quickly that they were just as interested in the power grab as the last guy.

The Greens have stated they will repeal anti-sedition laws and reform counter-terrorism laws.

That is good enough for me to put them ahead of all other parties.

Economic well being is front and centre as far as I'm concerned. We are in a far better position to deal with social issues from a sound economic base.

 

[sinner]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

I find the responses to my post amusing, but not surprising. Extremely amused that people here would publicly espouse money over freedom. What I do find surprising is that even on ASF where you would have to assume the average poster to be several notches more financially literate than the average joe sixpack, even after a global financial crisis, people still believe that the Government somehow can control the economy.

Frankly, I side 100% with prawn on this one (prawn for PM? ). I am not voting for the Greens to see them win. I am voting for the Greens to see the party named LiberalLabor but also known as LaborLiberal squirm in their seats.

 

[wayneL]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

For me it is just about one, that's right, one issue that everyone seems to have forgotten:

The Greens seem to be the only ones who remember what power-grab junk was enacted under the aegis of counter-terrorism, the only ones even remotely concerned with the rights of the citizenry at large, etc. I was hoping Labor would do something about this, but it became apparent very very quickly that they were just as interested in the power grab as the last guy.

The Greens have stated they will repeal anti-sedition laws and reform counter-terrorism laws.

That is good enough for me to put them ahead of all other parties.

Is this true?

Woulda thunk it? Socialist bastids espousing libertarian ideals?

Somehow I feel that if push came to shove, the Greens would experience some extreme cognitive dissonance. I could be convinced otherwise, but I think the Greens would go the authoritarian route to resolve that.