The Australian Greens party

[sails]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

Extremely amused to be admonished on this forum for supposedly voting frivolously, when it is clear those who are voting "acceptably" don't even have a clue how the Westminister system functions.
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Hey Sinner, I don't see where I typed the word "frivolously" anywhere in my post? I think you are jumping to conclusions. I respect the views of others even if I may not agree with them.

My post was a genuine quesion to Prawn whom I also respect. Also, I didn't assume that not voting greens is "acceptable" voting. That is another assumption on your part.

I simply want the awful spin and wasteful spending to stop. The last 3 years have been a worry. I have my TV on mute whenever JG drones on because I am becomming increasingly irritated at how she can never answer a simple question and usually has to include bagging TA. It's tiresome.

 

[prawn_86]

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Having a browse now and i'm probably going to vote for the Senator Online party, as i like thier way of thinking (that the majority decides on senate votes)

 

[choice1]

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I just did a quick look through all the registered political parties and it seems the Liberal democratic party fits nearly all of my views on Australia.

http://www.ldp.org.au/

In the same respect my vote may be better served with the coalition to stop the LaborSocialistGreens pushing policies down our throat.

 

[Mofra]

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The Greens rely more on public ignorance than either of the major parties. Their policies are little more than feelgood statements with no tangable assessment of overall economic impact.

I would argue the opposite - fear and ignorance is the modus operandi for political powerbrokers in the new era (especially the far right).

The Greens have the highest proportion of members who are university-educated out of any major party in Australia.

 

[Mofra]

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I just did a quick look through all the registered political parties and it seems the Liberal democratic party fits nearly all of my views on Australia.

http://www.ldp.org.au/

Can't see any reason why they wont develop into a legitimate political force in elections to come. Some very sensible policies and their overall idealogy will capture the mood of the voting public by the time we are faced with a non-choice again at the next election.

 

[sails]

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...In the same respect my vote may be better served with the coalition to stop the LaborSocialistGreens pushing policies down our throat.

That's how I feel. This is an unusual election where it seems the vote is more important to stop the rot than necessarily vote in who you want. There will be more elections down the track that may not be so critical to Australia's future to give the minor parties a go.

Thanks for the link to the LDP - will have a read through.

 

[prawn_86]

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http://senatoronline.org.au/ - look extremely interesting. Based on the premise that every person can vote on bills in the senate and then the elected senators will vote as per the majority.

Proper democracy

 

[choice1]

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http://senatoronline.org.au/ - look extremely interesting. Based on the premise that every person can vote on bills in the senate and then the elected senators will vote as per the majority.

Proper democracy

Very interesting party that shows great out of the box thinking. They managed to get the kind of democracy that we all want without having to dissolve the current system. I actually linked that to a friend of mine then as he was complaining about the system and how he wanted something like this in place.

Perhaps some other parties could follow suit and restore some faith in the political system.

 

[springhill]

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I would argue the opposite - fear and ignorance is the modus operandi for political powerbrokers in the new era (especially the far right).

The Greens have the highest proportion of members who are university-educated out of any major party in Australia.

A university education doesn't make you free from ignorance, nor does it make you politically savvy.
There is a difference between smarts and street smarts.

 

[Calliope]

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A university education doesn't make you free from ignorance, nor does it make you politically savvy.
There is a difference between smarts and street smarts.

That true. You only have to read nonsense like this. Political bias maybe. It supports the old saying "if you can,do...if you can't, teach."

The Labor federal government prevented the Australian economy from falling into a deep recession and a consequent huge rise in unemployment, a group of more than 50 academic economists say.

The group, which includes professors and lecturers from the nation's leading universities, on Monday released an open letter supporting the fiscal stimulus measures taken during the global economic downturn

http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/latest/7770126/labors-spending-vital-say-economists/3/

 

[Julia]

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Stop misquoting me. I said governments can't control economies. Of course they can affect the health of an economy.

So they can 'affect an economy' but not 'control an economy'. I'm not sure where you'd draw a dividing line between the two.

But even central banks don't control economies.

No, but they too have a significant effect, viz the multiple and rapid interest rate cuts to prevent economic stress. This was arguably as important or more important than the government's much lauded stimulus.

Electing a government based on the premise they are "better economic managers" completely ignores the reality of the situation we are in. Certainly it is obvious those "better economic managers" did not see the financial crisis coming, in fact if anything their policies exacerbated the problem. So what credentials are you actually trying to convince me to vote for?

I'm not trying to convince you to vote for anyone, sinner. I don't know even to whom you're referring when you talk about 'better economic managers' above, given both major parties are claiming this distinction.
I was simply expressing my disquiet about the Greens ever having any significant say in how taxpayer dollars are spent and gave my reasons.

I'm sorry you feel I was patronising you. That wasn't my intention. Probably I indulged in a bit of hyperbole when describing life under the Greens, but that just reflects my fears about them.

I stand by my earlier comment that many of those will vote Greens as a protest against the two main parties will do so in ignorance of the potential ramifications of the Greens having the balance of power.

One scenario I heard put up today was the Greens getting the Melbourne seat that Lindsay Tanner is vacating, giving them their first representation in the House of Reps. Not a heartwarming thought. There has been also suggestions of a hung parliament which would need one side or the other to have the support of the three Independents to govern.

Does anyone know anything much about any of these three? I'm only familiar with Bob Katter, who, though a bit unusual, is reasonably sensible about many things. Seeing Tony Windsor interviewed, he seemed thoughtful and considered. Don't know anything about the other bloke.

Shame you can't put more than one party as your last preference.

I'm in total agreement with you here.

Re Senate voting: I'd guess most people vote above the line because of the huge number of candidates standing most of whom we have no clue about.

 

[Ageo]

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The Greens have the highest proportion of members who are university-educated out of any major party in Australia.

Im pretty sure they also have the highest rate for smoking cannabis.

 

[Mofra]

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A university education doesn't make you free from ignorance, nor does it make you politically savvy.
There is a difference between smarts and street smarts.

True - but it's a much better measure than ignorant stereotyping

 

[Knobby22]

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I'm in the seat of Melbourne.

Its nice to be in a swing seat for once. You should see how many leaflets I have got.

I am tempted to go Green though I don't agree with some of their policies I like some of the others. It will be fun to shake the tree a bit. I do like Brown who is pretty centrist and has good attitude to freedom but not many of his collegues who lean towards the nanny state.

By the way, the Greens are supporting this site. Look at the banner above.

If the Greens win Melbourne Austrlia won't go into collapse.
Yes, I think I will vote them.

Still voting Liberal in the State elections though.

 

[nioka]

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The Greens have the highest proportion of members who are university-educated out of any major party in Australia.

The problem is the fact that they are not educated beyond that university degree. In fact a lot of them are still there or are dropouts and didn't even get that education completed. It is a harder world out there than it is in a sheltered university campas. Give most of them another 10 or 20 years real education and they will end up being useless like their idol or change their attitude.

 

[prawn_86]

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lol gotta love the stereotyping going on in this thread

 

[nioka]

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Im pretty sure they also have the highest rate for smoking cannabis.

Particularly in this area and a big percentage on benefits. Struck one recently who was telling me how lucky I was. I asked what they did for a living and was told they were on a disability pension as they were a "recovering drug addict". There are enough of them here to keep a "hippy" council in power in Byron shire so expect a Green support there.

 

[Knobby22]

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The problem is the fact that they are not educated beyond that university degree. In fact a lot of them are still there or are dropouts and didn't even get that education completed. It is a harder world out there than it is in a sheltered university campas. Give most of them another 10 or 20 years real education and they will end up being useless like their idol or change their attitude.

You don't want to know how many Liberals and Labor members have been party hacks all their lives and never worked a normal job then Nioka.
I know some. One labor, one Liberal. i wouldn't let them run a toy electric train set much less the country.

 

[nioka]

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lol gotta love the stereotyping going on in this thread

A person gets judged by the company they keep.

 

[choice1]

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If you go to a university now days you'll be swamped by the socialist trying to push their magazines on you and posters saying 'CLOSE ALL DETENTION CENTRES, STOP THE RACISM' or 'Why Marxism works'... Yes I am the guy who argues with the people who approach me. It's fun to give them complex questions until you realise their whole opinion is summarised in the article they are handing out and that they have no original thoughts on the matter.

I come from a very left wing family and I’ve had my siblings all preaching to me why I should be voting green instead and how the intervention was racist and inhumane etc. Funny how I never see them coming up with any new ideas, only criticising ones that people come up with…