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Why are we saying 'sorry' to the aboriginals?!


i think people should work for welfare - even community service is good enough

it shouldn't be handed out freely and it also should be audited where the money is being spent ..

i know the some new mums who get the $5000 baby bonus spend it on tvs etc... hardly on the baby

makes u wonder
 

lines need to be drawn, and the actions of individuals, corporations or governments need to be defined. the james hardy compensation situation is totally different to someone getting drunk and smashing into your car which in turn is totally different to a foreign government shipping convicts off to a mostly empty land on the far side of the world. the whole point of the logic is to look at the situation, examine what has gone into it then determine what the possible outcomes should be.
 
disarray,

Once we start absolving governments form the wrong of previous governments, we are wandering into dangerous "moral hazard" territory, and we know how well that has worked out for financial markets in recent times

If there is a possibility of an individual, government or company to right a wrong, this should be explored.
 
i agree, and i don't think we should just pretend like nothing ever happened, however all sides need to be considered, not just "oh the evil whitefella took our land and kids so we must have apologies and compensation". this totally ignores massive failures on the aborigines part which need to be addressed as part of this issue.

as for absolving previous governments, where do we draw the line? 1950? 1888? 1054? no consideration is being made for changes in society, government or policy nor is any consideration being made for current policies which have sent billions of dollars to the aborigines already.

i'm happy to call the government to account on its failures, but then we must also call the aborigines to account on theirs, otherwise this is just going to be bs apologism with no real impetus for change behind it.
 
Yeah trust me it is true about the funeral grant,

I also know of a group that got a grant to buy a $200,000 digger to construct some roads into/out of their community, what happened was so insane it is almost funny, they parked it in a dried-up river bed/pond with the bucket up in the air, and when the rains came and submerged the digger, they could fish from the bucket without getting wet.

jman
 
I guess once sorry has been said, we cut can all this aboriginal funding and they can be treated like the rest of us for once.
 
...And therein lies the crux of the issue...say sorry, cut the discriminatory and preferential funding and welfare programs and let them adapt or die.

I read some rot earlier about surrender treaties not being signed by the indigenous people and ceding to the BRITISH CROWN, therefore Australia is still under indigenous law. People should know when they are beaten. Every other culture that has been confronted by a more dominant one has learned that lesson.

And what about the recent immigrants? Why the hell should their tax money go to support a corrupt and insidiously backward culture with no future except what is handed to them. It's called self determination, pull yourself out of the gutter, the world doesn't owe you a living and I for one will be applying for a tax rebate for any illegal compensation money handed over. The policy was government approved at the time and you cannot change that, nor should anyone have to pay for it.

The only thing that should be paid is lip service. Bring on the bleeding hearts...you can dry your tears with my laughter.
 
i have to say, i am no going head to head with anyone here, once a bigot always a bigot. you cant change that by argueing with them..

its really the saddest thread and by far the most disturbing i have ever read..

its a real shame..

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Since I love the stock market and I am aboriginal I have decided to include the following in a hope that it will answer some of your questions.

regards

sarah
 

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The policy was government approved at the time and you cannot change that, nor should anyone have to pay for it.

You make it sound like you condone governments absolving themselves of responsbility for their decisions and that people should not have responsibility for their goverments.
 
You make it sound like you condone governments absolving themselves of responsbility for their decisions and that people should not have responsibility for their goverments.

fact of the matter is that it the whole situation is history!

you don't hear the romans and greeks asking for compo years after they had their issues
 
How true.
It was our (white fella) gift to them after we stole their land.

Sorry!

Tell you what, rederob, how about you and I tell this forum why we stole their land.
You go first. Why did you steal their land?
 
fact of the matter is that it the whole situation is history!

you don't hear the romans and greeks asking for compo years after they had their issues

I suspect you will find that there are far more disputes of this kind going on in the world than you could possibly conceive of. You've heard of (the former) Yugoslavia I take it? And NATO got involved there. Not suggesting anything of the sort for this situation, but all the same, don't be surprised if it gets too high of a profile that there will be pressure from the international community. I'm surprised already how many people overseas that I meet have a fair idea that we have not treated our indigenous people well in the past and continue not to do so.

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/01/30/2150281.htm

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/01/31/2150830.htm

I liked Malcolm Fraser on AM this morning.
a) pointing out that both the previous and the current shadow treasurers (Peter Costello, and Malcolm Turnbull) support saying sorry., and

b) pointing out that unless Brendan Nelson and the rest the Coalition agree, i.e. if they stubbornly "paint themselves into a corner", then history will just move over them and "they will become irrelevant".
 
The Federal Government has set February 13 as the day for a formal apology to the members of the Stolen Generation.

[sarcasm]
i eagerly await this day and look forward to seeing the fortunes of the aboriginal people turned around and the relations between aboriginals and white australians at an all time high...
[/sarcasm]


[reality]
i look forward to the continued presence of the victim mentality which has plagued the aboriginal people due to this 'symbolic gesture'
[/reality]
 


2020 et al, Could some members of Government just be apologising because that appears the best political move? Or maybe they think that they must be seen to stand behind their leader.

As many say "it's easy to apologise" it only takes words.
"Irelevant" does that mean it's definitely best to make this move.

It's more to do with seeing that every citizen of Australia has equal rights and none are more equal than others.
 
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