America a Failed State and a Rogue State to the rest of the World

[rederob]

John Hopkins website data on new COV19 infections has the USA back to where it was 10 weeks ago - ie. over 30000 daily infections.
The difference then was that the USA had got the message about infection rates and States were taking COV19 seriously.
Not so now.
Anyone watching Trump's Tulsa rally which concluded in the past hour will have realised that his actual message to supporters for months (ie. do as I do) was that wearing a face mask was not such a good idea. Prior to the rally infectious disease modellers worked out that the likely COV19 spread number would be around 500-1000 depending on how many took reasonable precautions. They would then add to subsequent community transmissions. It will be interesting to see the outcome of his Tulsa rally - modelling and reality have been poles apart to date.
An aspect of modelling that is about right is that "lockdowns" are an essential strategy for beating the virus, and this is evidenced in all countries where rates have substantially declined. However, unless there is a medical marvel intervention, the USA is now on track for 250000 COV19 deaths.
It is the pinnacle of hypocrisy that any president could continue to claim "great success" so regularly, yet be shown up by the data to be achieving the very opposite.
The longer Trump remains in power the quicker its status declines as a democracy that other nations would choose to emulate.

 

[Bill M]

OMG, so much hate in the USA.

 

[Knobby22]

The only black Nascar racer found a noose in his shed yesterday. KKK like the lovely lady above are still around.

 

[wayneL]

The only black Nascar racer found a noose in his shed yesterday. KKK like the lovely lady above are still around.

Yep, as are the likes of Louis Farrakhan and other anti-white racists.

Let's denounce all anti whatever racists shall we?

 

[spooly74]

The only black Nascar racer found a noose in his shed yesterday. KKK like the lovely lady above are still around.

This looks like Jussie Smollett v.2
where the demand for racism is outstripping supply.

 

[satanoperca]

WHERE IS KAhUNA?

Hope he/she is available to comment/post on the thread they created.

 

[rederob]

Trump has recently signed off on a few Executive Orders that pander to his base.
He's also trying to get rid of Obamacare through the courts, at a time when the nation has experienced 2.5 million positive COV19 cases and almost 130,000 deaths.
To show how detached from reality the USA now is, listen to Vice President Pence spin the virtues of his response to COV19:
Friday's positive cases totalled 45,300 which is some 9,000 more than the highest daily figure in either April or May.

 

[wayneL]

WHERE IS KAhUNA?

Hope he/she is available to comment/post on the thread they created.

I don't think the site has enough bandwidth

 

[Bill M]

 

[qldfrog]

This looks like Jussie Smollett v.2
where the demand for racism is outstripping supply.

I think ropes are racist and should be banned.
Next week we will tackle chains,another example of chauvinism white male oppression

 

[Knobby22]

Gotta comment. I don't think tweets cut it, pictures will help the story.

Here is a picture of Bubba Wallaces's garage. The guy is the only black racer in Nascar and if you ever see a picture of him he is probably only 1/4 black. Anyway he said something bad about the conferderate flag which got a few rednecks upset.

It's obviously a misunderstanding. Nooses are in everyone's car sheds in this area and he should be proud that someone has secretly taken the time to put one outside his ready for use. It shows he has been accepted into the fraternity.Become one of the good old boys. Bluddy left wingers. Bubba didn't whinge, he understands perfectly.

 

[Sdajii]

Gotta comment. I don't think tweets cut it, pictures will help the story.

Here is a picture of Bubba Wallaces's garage. The guy is the only black racer in Nascar and if you ever see a picture of him he is probably only 1/4 black. Anyway he said something bad about the conferderate flag which got a few rednecks upset.

It's obviously a misunderstanding. Nooses are in everyone's car sheds in this area and he should be proud that someone has secretly taken the time to put one outside his ready for use. It shows he has been accepted into the fraternity.Become one of the good old boys. Bluddy left wingers. Bubba didn't whinge, he understands perfectly.

You're late to the party and missed the bit about how that rope had been hanging there with the same knot since months before he was using that garage. Others had been using the garage before him and had taken pictures in their which showed it. It wasn't put there because of him, he came after it was there.

But hey, stick to the fictional narrative, it's the thing to do, right?

 

[qldfrog]

Without being as pointy as @Sdajii , i i believe it is a perfect case of let's find a way to get upset.it is a bloody rope and indeed seems to have plenty of proof has been there for ages..but let's ban rope and chain and white paint..already thinking of doing that for the white house
It is easy to find matches with rising Nazi Germany..
The Jews then were too passive and ended slaughtered, maybe it is time to fight back as there is no limit to that type of hysteria.

 

[Knobby22]

You're late to the party and missed the bit about how that rope had been hanging there with the same knot since months before he was using that garage. Others had been using the garage before him and had taken pictures in their which showed it. It wasn't put there because of him, he came after it was there.

But hey, stick to the fictional narrative, it's the thing to do, right?

Ok, I will gladly admit I was wrong. Give me some proof.

 

[qldfrog]

Ok, I will gladly admit I was wrong. Give me some proof.

I think there was one in the Wayne post, and if i was interested by this nth crap raised i would look for it before making an opinion
I will gladly admit that there is so much biased crap now that i would gladly bypass actual acts of racism until there is a more balanced view..
That is the way extremism is created BTW.

 

[Sdajii]

Ok, I will gladly admit I was wrong. Give me some proof.

It's all over the bleeding internet. The mainstream media of course publicised the 'OMG racism' story but when it was found to be complete nonsense they naturally didn't touch it. There was an FBI investigation, which was pretty straight forward since multiple people used the garage over a period of many months, several took pictures (not of the knot specifically, but it was there in the pictures) and it was an obvious open and shut case. Just google 'Bubba Wallaces garage knot' or anything similar and read something recent.

 

[rederob]

While political divides exist in most countries, the USA has created a fact divide that coexists within it.
This has been the case with Obama's "birther" claims and climate change:


Now it's also the case with COVID-19:

At time of writing the number of daily infections at 51.200 (John Hopkins as source) was over twice as high as the average daily number for May and June combined. The clear trend shows an alarming rate of rising infection. As a result, deaths in July are projected to increase throughout the month:




Fortunately the President expects this will "soon disappear."

 

[Sdajii]

While political divides exist in most countries, the USA has created a fact divide that coexists within it.
This has been the case with Obama's "birther" claims and climate change:


Now it's also the case with COVID-19:

At time of writing the number of daily infections at 51.200 (John Hopkins as source) was over twice as high as the average daily number for May and June combined. The clear trend shows an alarming rate of rising infection. As a result, deaths in July are projected to increase throughout the month:




Fortunately the President expects this will "soon disappear."

The left controls the majority of the mainstream media, the overwhelming share of entertainment media, social media, the education system, etc. Only a fool now fails to see that there is a lot of propaganda and crazy narratives mixed in with what we are force fed by these entities. Most people are very simple, they are not capable of independent thinking, even 'intelligent' people are typically more prone to going with the group than going against it even if they are capable of seeing that the group is wrong (plenty of psychological studies demonstrate this). So, with a system which is demonstrably dishonest, some people go along with it because it's the system which exists (the left) and some people reject the system, which tends to make them throw the baby out with the bath water. It's human nature, flawed as it is, to think that if someone or something is lying to you about some things (and if you can't see that the overall narrative of the left, which is the primary narrative thrown at people through school, media, entertainment, etc is littered with lies there's something wrong with you) you should reject everything they say. Your article here has cherry picked two of the two most emotive issues, climate change and the current pandemic, both of which have developed a huge amount of misinformation on all sides, with everyone thinking they are right and everyone else is imbecilic, and most people are correct about the second assertion there.

The goal of your article seems to be to further polarise people; it starts with a vague assertion like 'contributes a great deal'. Well, depending on the context, that could be right or wrong, and there's little doubt the original question (which we have not even been shown here) was presented in a loaded way to produce the desired result of demonstration of polarisation. We're also not told how the sampling was done, just that it was based on an 11 point criteria, none of which we are given. How did they find these people? Given that this article is blatantly biased with an agenda of making Republicans look stupid, it's necessary to present this, otherwise it's no more meaningful than wandering around making one of those 'let's make our opposition looks stupid' videos which you can find no shortage of for both sides.

The issue of whether or not "the worst is now behind us" for the pandemic is also vague. How do you measure it? In human fatalities or economic damage or infringement of human freedom or overall wellbeing of people or the average death rate per day as opposed to the total death rate or the death rate per case (particularly relevant if this virus is with us indefinitely, which it probably is) or something else? You could easily concoct a set of criteria to make it true either way. This isn't really a genuine example of "fact divide". No one can say as a fact that the worst is ahead of or behind us, because it literally requires speculating about the future. If a medical miracle which cured all viruses was invented tomorrow, the worst would obviously be behind us (and the mainstream narrative is that we're locking down in wait of a vaccine, which is biologically extremely improbable, making their own assertions contradictory).

Basically this dichotomy is between people blindly believing everything they are told and unquestioningly going along with the mainstream herd, and those who see the lies and propaganda, are unable to differentiate between that and the facts, and reject the entire set of what they're being told. This article seeks to widen the divide, and it has always been the left seeking to produce and then increase this polarisation.

For the record I'm personally on the left of the political spectrum, but even so, I can see what's going on in this respect.

 

[rederob]

The left controls the majority of the mainstream media, the overwhelming share of entertainment media, social media, the education system, etc.

Please provide your evidence.

The goal of your article seems to be to further polarise people....

I presented polling data, and data from US government websites which are regarded as credible.

Given that this article is blatantly biased with an agenda of making Republicans look stupid, it's necessary to present this, otherwise it's no more meaningful than wandering around making one of those 'let's make our opposition looks stupid' videos which you can find no shortage of for both sides.

Perhaps you could assimilate the evidence and draw a different conclusion from something you regard as credible.

The issue of whether or not "the worst is now behind us" for the pandemic is also vague.

It seeks an opinion. If you saw information that clearly showed a situation that was significantly worse than previously the case, and noted how comparable nations sat by comparison, then reaching an informed opinion on the question is not difficult.

Basically this dichotomy is between people blindly believing everything they are told and unquestioningly going along with the mainstream herd, and those who see the lies and propaganda, are unable to differentiate between that and the facts, and reject the entire set of what they're being told.

It's about determining that despite there being information which is freely available and credible (ie. unambiguously verifiable), a large number people are able to disassociate from facts based on political stance.

 

[basilio]

It's about determining that despite there being information which is freely available and credible (ie. unambiguously verifiable), a large number people are able to disassociate from facts based on political stance.

Well worth repeating. Crystallizes the argument.