The Australian Greens party

[rumpole]

Re: Everyone should support The Greens

Mining is not forever though and once it is done in an area then the land can (and should) be returned to its former state. I know in gold mining areas this is the case, the miners have to return the land back to its original state.

Assuming they are still in business and haven't reincorporated into another company or cry poor and say it will bankrupt them to restore the land. It's practically very difficult to ensure mining companies restore the land to its original condition. Do they go round filling in underground mines that drain water out of rivers ?

 

[Julia]

Re: Everyone should support The Greens

Mining is not forever though and once it is done in an area then the land can (and should) be returned to its former state. I know in gold mining areas this is the case, the miners have to return the land back to its original state.

I know that's supposed to be the case. But I can't see that it would ever be the same and in the meantime you've disrupted and destroyed the lives of the people who love their land which has often been in their family for generations.

I'm 100% with MoXJO on this. The mining companies don't need to take everything in the earth. I'm also less than keen on so many overseas interests buying up good agricultural land. Are we really looking after ourselves in allowing this?

 

[Starcraftmazter]

Re: Everyone should support The Greens

This is just a disgrace.

The world is dangerously overpopulated, we are running out of oil and phosphorous which are crucial to making fertilisers. About 40% of all fertile farmland on Earth is already severely degraded.

To be destroying fertile farmland at this specific point in human history is nothing short of genocide. Fertile farmland must be protected with the strongest legislation possible - nobody should be able so much as to sneeze on it.

Corrupt government crooks!

 

[Miss Hale]

Re: Everyone should support The Greens

I know that's supposed to be the case. But I can't see that it would ever be the same and in the meantime you've disrupted and destroyed the lives of the people who love their land which has often been in their family for generations.

I'm 100% with MoXJO on this. The mining companies don't need to take everything in the earth.

I understand what people are saying re this, I think mining should be allowed but there needs to be a balance between mining and agriculture I agree. Ideally a way to do both over the long term would be good.

I'm also less than keen on so many overseas interests buying up good agricultural land. Are we really looking after ourselves in allowing this?

I am totally opposed to this, and even opposed to overseas interests buying residential property too. I agree it is not in our best long term interest.

 

[Glen48]

Re: Everyone should support The Greens

Don't worry the Chinese won't let the mining companies do any thing to their farming land as they are smart enough to now food is important to feed the billion's and keep the top brass in office.
Thats why they are buying any farm land for sale any where.

 

[rumpole]

Re: Everyone should support The Greens

I am totally opposed to this, and even opposed to overseas interests buying residential property too. I agree it is not in our best long term interest.

+1 on the residential property.

As to foreign investment in our farmland, it's not a matter of all or nothing, but of degree. Foreign investment up to a point is fine, foreign ownership needs to be subjected to a national interest test, at present I believe purchases under $20,000,000 are not subject to any scrutiny. This should be lowered to around $1,000,000.

You obviously run into the accusation that the government is telling people what they can or can't do with their own property. If they want to sell their land they obviously should be able to, but we the taxpayer should be prepared to put up the money to buy them if we don't want foreigners to do it.

 

[drsmith]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

Bob Brown believes in aliens, well, sort of,

Here is one sobering possibility for our isolation: maybe life has often evolved to intelligence on other planets with biospheres and every time that intelligence, when it became able to alter its environment, did so with catastrophic consequences. Maybe we have had many predecessors in the Cosmos but all have brought about their own downfall.

That's why they are not communicating with Earth. They have extincted themselves. They have come and gone. And now it's our turn.

There's also the possibility of a god who created the earth in 6-days and then hava a spell on the 7'th.

http://greensmps.org.au/content/news-stories/bob-brown-delivers-3rd-annual-green-oration

 

[Calliope]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

Bob Brown believes in aliens, well, sort of,

He believes in making it easier for them to illegally come here.

 

[drsmith]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

He believes in making it easier for them to illegally come here.

They could take him away for scientific investigation.

 

[rumpole]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

The Greens are too far Left, even for me. Their opposition to Hydro power, one of the cleanest forms of energy on the planet annoys me, as does their lack of opposition to large scale immigration which will destroy the environment they so covet if it's allowed to continue.

However they exist because the major parties have both moved to the Right (despite what people here think of Labor), and the notion of the protest vote means they pick up easy votes when there is dissatisfaction with both majors, which is usually the case these days.

If you want to get rid of the Greens, the answer is for both majors to move back towards the Centre.

 

[sails]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

..If you want to get rid of the Greens, the answer is for both majors to move back towards the Centre.

I think Katter's party might attract votes from disgruntled green and alp voters. Greens are quite possibly on the same way out as alp.

Latest polls show alp primary vote at 27% and that 60% DO NOT WANT CARBON TAX.

http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/po...27-per-cent-20120401-1w6n7.html#ixzz1qpHQV7v7

 

[sails]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

I can't seem to find the thread on mining tax - I thought we had one. Anyway, the greens want it, so will post this here.

It seems South Africa are excited at their increased competitiveness over Australia's mining tax and that they should "strike while the iron is hot" Here is an article explaining it:

Here is the first paragraph:

The Australians’ decision to introduce a new mining tax presents a rare opportunity for SA to claw back market share in iron ore and coal, but Finance Minister Pravin Gordhan needs to strike while the iron is hot

Chance for SA in new Australian mining tax

 

[rumpole]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

I can't seem to find the thread on mining tax - I thought we had one. Anyway, the greens want it, so will post this here.

It seems South Africa are excited at their increased competitiveness over Australia's mining tax and that they should "strike while the iron is hot" Here is an article explaining it:

Here is the first paragraph:




Chance for SA in new Australian mining tax

Looks like the SA gov't is looking to put on a mining tax themselves. The return to the government would be greater than not imposing new taxes and hoping for increased investment.

 

[Logique]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

Watching Q&A from Tasmania last night, the audience reported as 19.5% Greens, 29% Labor, and 43% Coalition. I thought Tasmanians, you poor b---ards.

The Greens are going to grind that state down into a third world province. The new currency will be vodka and candles. Approximately 40 percent of Tasmania is protected in World Heritage wilderness areas, in national parks or in other reserves - www.tchange.com.au/resources/forests.html - the Greens won't stop until it's 95%.

All my schoolmates left said one panellist. Go figure. But the Greens have followed them, we're next.

 

[Sitar]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

So, it sounds as if Tassie has a bright future for tourism. It may be one of the last places left on earth with some of the only old growth forests.

Go Greens!

 

[Logique]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

So, it sounds as if Tassie has a bright future for tourism. It may be one of the last places left on earth with some of the only old growth forests.
Go Greens!

Thank you for illustrating my point with your thoroughly researched answer.

 

[Smurf1976]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

So, it sounds as if Tassie has a bright future for tourism. It may be one of the last places left on earth with some of the only old growth forests.

Go Greens!

WHEN are these tourists going to turn up?

We've been promised that tourists will come to see the wilderness for 30 years now and still they haven't turned up. And those that do turn up, aren't prepared to pay the serious $ it would take to support the state's economy this way.

I'll stand corrected if they ever do turn up, but 30 years is a rather long time for someone to be waiting for a job I would think. Hence so many have left and the state has stagnated over that time.

 

[wayneL]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

I would have thought if people want to look at trees, they'll go some place warm and cheap.

 

[Logique]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

In this state, if you want to find the highest unemployment rates, go to the tourism meccas. Same with south-east QLD.

 

[Calliope]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

I would have thought if people want to look at trees, they'll go some place warm and cheap.

As Ronajd Reagan once said;

"If you've seen one redwood, you've seen them all."