The Australian Greens party

[wayneL]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

What does it nail?

 

[orr]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

What does it nail?

Yeh sorry my mistake, I made the presumption that because someone read the article, that they would understand it.

 

[wayneL]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

Yeh sorry my mistake, I made the presumption that because someone read the article, that they would understand it.

I understand what the attempt was, but what does it 'nail'?

In your own words orr.

 

[explod]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

What does it nail?

It’s hard to know which is more bizarre about Gerard’s self-gotcha ”” his total lack of understanding of Green politics, or the fact that he’s never heard the “two more earths”, which has been around for years. Here’s the first page of Google results  ”” or, as you know it Gerard, The Google ””  for a search on “we would need two more Earths”:

Depends in the way one grows up and the influences of ones life I suppose.

Need "to be in it to understand it" could perhaps be the only answer and there is not much chance of that across the divide.

So each to his own voyage and the mix in our democracy is where we will go.

 

[Smurf1976]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

And bearing in mind that Tasmania's overall unemployment rate has blown out to 6.6%, the worst in the nation. Three different regional areas below, respectively Tas 9.3%, NSW 9.1%, and QLD 7.1% unemployment.

Now consider that of those in Mersey-Lyell who do actually have a job, how many are working things propped up by government?

This region has by far the best roads in the state as everyone knows. They were built to create work.

This region has not one, but TWO major public hospitals to serve it's small population.

The other ports in the state have been practically closed, in order to direct all freight through Burnie's port so as to create employment in a town where, with one exception, every other significant employer has closed at the hands of the Greens. This freight shuffling exercise is supported by a loss-making railway to move goods to and from Burnie to the other now largely unused (by ships) ports.

If you look at the portion of jobs there which in some way depend on government, then I'd speculate that it's in the order of 50%. Government shipping. Government ports. Government railways. Two government hospitals.

About the only thing happening which might create a few (temporary) jobs up there is that 53 of the 58 buildings which comprised The Pulp (aka APPM, the Burnie Mill, Papermakers, Australian Paper, Tas Paper and a few others) are about to be knocked down and a hardware store built on part of the site. With so many buildings, it will presumably take a while to knock them all down thus creating some work. But in the long term, a few jobs in a national chain hardware store is a far cry from the thousands who once worked at The Pulp, and that's the problem.

And can anyone seriously tell me that paper produced from Indonesian rainforests in Third World factories is any less harmful to the environment than production in the later years at Burnie? That really is the crux of it. Had the company been allowed to undertake planned major investment in a complete new pulping line (which would have fed all the paper machines at both sites including a brand new paper machine as well), instead of being blocked by the Australian Government following a Greens campaign, those mills would still be running today and would be doing so primarily on plantation timber. Instead we log rainforests overseas and dump the waste where nobody's looking whilst trying to find ways to keep locals employed.

 

[orr]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

I understand what the attempt was, but what does it 'nail'?

In your own words orr.

How's your understanding of DAAS Capital , To help you It was prescient in it's prediction of the configuration that we know as WW1. Now replace Resources Today With Colonies in The 19th century. Bob Browns push toward broader international democratic resolve is to lesson chances of a direct route to conflict.
There was a bloke named Adam Smith, look across His work 'Theory of Moral Sentiments'. It's important that this understood in parallel, echos are there in nearly every thing Brown Says. It May sparking in you to a deeper reading of it. It's impossible to think from reading your past comments that you have ever turned a page of it.
This is the trouble with arguing with people who know so little. Both Smith and Marx were urging a path toward the greatest good for greatest number, each to their means, needs and abilities. But you wont here that from your 1% today or Hendeson, he's done the reading, just not understood it or forgotten it.
So you have to understand the history to understand Browns self lampoon and so the aside to Swifts 'A modest proposal'.
What it nails is your ill-educated hyperbole

I hope I've helped

 

[Julia]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

Bob ( not Menzies, but Brown ) said,
gg

Are you making this up? Did he really actually say that? If so, we're in even more trouble than I'd thought.

Depends in the way one grows up and the influences of ones life I suppose.

Need "to be in it to understand it" could perhaps be the only answer and there is not much chance of that across the divide.

So each to his own voyage and the mix in our democracy is where we will go.

May I respectfully suggest the above post should more appropriately reside in your "Gobbeldygook" thread?

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

Are you making this up? Did he really actually say that? If so, we're in even more trouble than I'd thought.

Unfortunately Bob Brown did say this, and this is the bloke who is sharing the Prime ministership of Australia with Julia Gillard, imposing taxes and policy on an unwilling population for an ideology.

Here it is Julia, from the original galactic source, my fellow ASF earthian.

http://greensmps.org.au/content/news-stories/bob-brown-delivers-3rd-annual-green-oration

gg

 

[drsmith]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

I hope I've helped

What does all that have to do with Bob Brown's aliens dear fellow Earthian ?

 

[wayneL]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

How's your understanding of DAAS Capital , To help you It was prescient in it's prediction of the configuration that we know as WW1. Now replace Resources Today With Colonies in The 19th century. Bob Browns push toward broader international democratic resolve is to lesson chances of a direct route to conflict.
There was a bloke named Adam Smith, look across His work 'Theory of Moral Sentiments'. It's important that this understood in parallel, echos are there in nearly every thing Brown Says. It May sparking in you to a deeper reading of it. It's impossible to think from reading your past comments that you have ever turned a page of it.
This is the trouble with arguing with people who know so little. Both Smith and Marx were urging a path toward the greatest good for greatest number, each to their means, needs and abilities. But you wont here that from your 1% today or Hendeson, he's done the reading, just not understood it or forgotten it.
So you have to understand the history to understand Browns self lampoon and so the aside to Swifts 'A modest proposal'.
What it nails is your ill-educated hyperbole

I hope I've helped

Thanks orr. You did not disappoint with the de rigueur leftist ad hom.

Unfortunately, despite your apparently best efforts to impress with use of language, it fell well short and only served to obfuscate. I expected better.

It did amuse me at your expense however.

I'm sure Adam Smith would not be amused by equating him with Bob Brown though; odds on he is turning in his grave as we speak.

 

[sails]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

Thanks orr. You did not disappoint with the de rigueur leftist ad hom.

Unfortunately, despite your apparently best efforts to impress with use of language, it fell well short and only served to obfuscate. I expected better.

It did amuse me at your expense however.

I'm sure Adam Smith would not be amused by equating him with Bob Brown though; odds on he is turning in his grave as we speak.

And spelling in Orr's post...

"here" used instead of "hear" !!

Little tip (helps the grandkids with their spelling) - "hear" has the word "ear" in it...

But, I must confess, I didn't read all Orr's post. The "here" word jumped out...

Oh, and I thought Gillard changed the spelling of "hyperbole' to "hyperbowl"...still laughing

 

[explod]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

Unfortunately Bob Brown did say this, and this is the bloke who is sharing the Prime ministership of Australia with Julia Gillard, imposing taxes and policy on an unwilling population for an ideology.

Here it is Julia, from the original galactic source, my fellow ASF earthian.

http://greensmps.org.au/content/news-stories/bob-brown-delivers-3rd-annual-green-oration

gg

What a great visionary. If read objectively this is a magnificent manifesto for saving the planet and its people.

Stalin's rise and the fall of Paris to the Commune are examples of revolt when the people are pushed to the limit. This is already occurring in many countries today and unless we listen to and provide for all of the people in a fair manner, it will not be me or the Greens causing the spill it will be the anger of the underdogs.

Let us hope that common sense does prevail and that the changes required to overcome the growing problems of overpopulation, deforestation and pollution occur by democratic choice and equal participation.

We can do it financially (big he he here) through the IMF, G7 and G20, so why not on the concerns of justice and the environment.

Plenty of Justice, as pointed out by Bob, if a country is sitting on oil of course.

And; if of course anyone thinks the mess Irak has been left in is justice, yagottabejoking.

 

[explod]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

Following on from my post above Richard Wilkinson spells out succinctly what inequality does.

http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson.html

 

[Logique]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

God help us.

Bob Brown resigns as Greens leader and Senator - April 13, 2012 - 11:44AM.

....Greens deputy leader Christine Milne has just tweeted that she had been elected as the new leader. "I'm honoured & excited to have been elected leader," Senator Milne wrote.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/polit...and-senator-20120413-1wxoz.html#ixzz1rsgdZWPX

 

[dutchie]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

Prime Minister resigns - new Prime Minister elected.

 

[drsmith]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

Prime Minister resigns - new Prime Minister elected.

The King is dead. Long live the........., no, perhaps not.

Was he pushed ?

Has he come home to find others in the Australian Greens don't share his views on aliens ?

From the link above;

"I'm well aware of the size of this decision," he said, noting that he had been discussing his decision since returning from the Greens global conference in Africa earlier this month.

 

[Knobby22]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

He is getting old and doesn't want to contest the next election. Fair enough.

And the Greens will miss him terribly. He was a true Green in that he was on about the environment and generally pushed against his increasingly socialist base of the party.

Without him at the helm they will push socialism harder and I predict will lose massive support as a result. This is what happened to the Democrats under Natasha Party Destroyer.

I didn't always agree with Bob but as an honest person with clear priorities I always thought he was a good guy and respected him

Said my bit, you can go back to making glib comments.

 

[drsmith]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

He might have made a good Minister for Westerly Winds.

I wonder if he was starting to lose his marbles.

The following assessment is an interesting read.

http://blogs.theaustralian.news.com...ments/fellow_earthians_the_planet_will_go_on/

 

[Calliope]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

Said my bit, you can go back to making glib comments

Thanks for your permission Knobby. One consolation of Brown's departure is that Christine Milne and Sarah Hanson-Young hate each other guts. With a bit of luck they will destroy themselves and their party.
Perhaps Lee Rhiannon the Stalinist, will institute a purge.:twak:

 

[bellenuit]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

I didn't always agree with Bob but as an honest person with clear priorities I always thought he was a good guy and respected him

I agree. At least he behaved like an adult unlike 90% of the rest of them (both sides) who act like schoolchildren.