The Australian Greens party

[rumpole]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

As Ronajd Reagan once said;

"If you've seen one redwood, you've seen them all."

Ronnie Raygun also said "I don't worry about the budget deficit, it's big enough to look after itself"

 

[sails]

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So, it sounds as if Tassie has a bright future for tourism. It may be one of the last places left on earth with some of the only old growth forests.

Greens seem to want to replace the landscape with ugly looking windmills. Spoils natural beauty, imo.

I don't think greens actually are tree huggers like we thought they were...

 

[explod]

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In this state, if you want to find the highest unemployment rates, go to the tourism meccas. Same with south-east QLD.

Do you have some figures on that?

Unemployment seems to be high in our industrial areas here, like Geelong and Dandenong. Understand West Sydney is not too good either.

 

[explod]

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Greens seem to want to replace the landscape with ugly looking windmills. Spoils natural beauty,

So do motor cars, free way's and skyscrapers if we are going to discuss aesthetics.

 

[explod]

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I would have thought if people want to look at trees, they'll go some place warm and cheap.

The trees just need to be left alone to provide the oxygen the planet needs for long term survival.

So keep out tourists as well as woodchippers.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

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Greens seem to want to replace the landscape with ugly looking windmills. Spoils natural beauty, imo.

I don't think greens actually are tree huggers like we thought they were...

They are undisguised communists, some of their reps have communist lineage. Stalin and Mao starved their people causing massive famine and loss of life, for an ideology.

The Greens are even more dangerous than the ALP. The latter are merely incompetent.

The Greens are ideologues.

Watch them.

Watch them very carefully.

gg

 

[Smurf1976]

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Do you have some figures on that?

Unemployment seems to be high in our industrial areas here, like Geelong and Dandenong. Understand West Sydney is not too good either.

The real problem with tourism is that the actual jobs it creates are largely low paid "dead end" jobs which do not provide a decent standard of living, at least not without working ridiculously long hours.

Such is the problem in Tasmania, best illustrated by the hundreds of people who turn up trying to get even the lowest level of factory job at the zinc works etc. It's a job and no matter how harsh the physical conditions (if you've never been in a cell room then let's just say it's not a nice environment physically) it's still better than being stuck in tourism or a call centre. The pay is better too, even at the lowest level, and the same goes for practically any industrial job anywhere.

Many people (everywhere) take low wage service industry jobs whilst at school or uni so as to earn some $. The trouble is, the Greens see those jobs as being suitable for 40 year olds with kids to raise and a mortgage to pay. It just doesn't work.

 

[explod]

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They are undisguised communists, some of their reps have communist lineage. Stalin and Mao starved their people causing massive famine and loss of life, for an ideology.

The Greens are even more dangerous than the ALP. The latter are merely incompetent.

The Greens are ideologues.

Watch them.

Watch them very carefully.

gg

Too right, were a comin.

 

[wayneL]

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Too right, were a comin.

To quote the ubiquitous beer ad here in NZ:

"Yeah right"

Once people work out the Green is only a thin veneer, a subterfuge to disguise totalitarian communism, your party is a dead duck.

 

[explod]

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To quote the ubiquitous beer ad here in NZ:

"Yeah right"

Once people work out the Green is only a thin veneer, a subterfuge to disguise totalitarian communism, your party is a dead duck.

That is very bad misinterpretation of fact.

The ole Bob Menzie cry of communism was hot air swallowed by people in fear due to warmongering. Was good for selling arms and making money for the rich though.

Totalitarianism is in fact the exact opposite of the consensus government as espoused by the modern Greens Constitution. Though the icon he maybe, Bob Brown is but a small part of the growing greens movement today.

Time you got into the modern real world ole pal.

But I must say ole Bob taught many of you well, he'd have use the term tree huggers too. Pretty harmless really.

 

[Julia]

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Pretty harmless really.

On the contrary, they are anything but harmless.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

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That is very bad misinterpretation of fact.

The ole Bob Menzie cry of communism was hot air swallowed by people in fear due to warmongering. Was good for selling arms and making money for the rich though.

Totalitarianism is in fact the exact opposite of the consensus government as espoused by the modern Greens Constitution. Though the icon he maybe, Bob Brown is but a small part of the growing greens movement today.

Time you got into the modern real world ole pal.

But I must say ole Bob taught many of you well, he'd have use the term tree huggers too. Pretty harmless really.

Bob ( not Menzies, but Brown ) said,

Fellow Earthians,

Never before has the Universe unfolded such a flower as our collective human intelligence, so far as we know.

Nor has such a one-and-only brilliance in the Universe stood at the brink of extinction, so far as we know.

We people of the Earth exist because our potential was there in the Big Bang, 13.7 billion years ago, as the Universe exploded into being.

So far, it seems like we are the lone thinkers in this vast, expanding Universe.

However, recent astronomy tells us that there are trillions of other planets circling Sunlike stars in the immensity of the Universe, millions of them friendly to life. So why has no one from elsewhere in the Cosmos contacted us?

Surely some people-like animals have evolved elsewhere. Surely we are not, in this crowded reality of countless other similar planets, the only thinking beings to have turned up. Most unlikely! So why isn't life out there contacting us? Why aren't the intergalactic phones ringing?

Here is one sobering possibility for our isolation: maybe life has often evolved to intelligence on other planets with biospheres and every time that intelligence, when it became able to alter its environment, did so with catastrophic consequences. Maybe we have had many predecessors in the Cosmos but all have brought about their own downfall.

What a load of utter self indulgent crap.

He needs to think about pregnancies, newborn, kids, adolescents, youth, young families, parents, workers, and the aged.

He is an ideologue. If the Greens ever get in government, more than they are now, it will be totalitarianism all over again.


gg

 

[explod]

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Bob ( not Menzies, but Brown ) said,



What a load of utter self indulgent crap.

He needs to think about pregnancies, newborn, kids, adolescents, youth, young families, parents, workers, and the aged.

He is an ideologue. If the Greens ever get in government, more than they are now, it will be totalitarianism all over again.


gg

Youth, young families and particularly education are far and above some of the most important aspects of our constitution and actions. And the issues go on across the spectrum as required for complete and proper governance.

You completely ignore my statement that Bob Brown is but a small cog in the workings of the greens today. And that is as it should be, time and age takes us all from the stage and the new generation and its more educated and technically savvy younger ones take us forward hopefully to an improved world.

Anyone can dig and find a quote to suit a purpose but time and context makes it superfluous.

Have another drink.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

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Youth, young families and particularly education are far and above some of the most important aspects of our constitution and actions. And the issues go on across the spectrum as required for complete and proper governance.

You completely ignore my statement that Bob Brown is but a small cog in the workings of the greens today. And that is as it should be, time and age takes us all from the stage and the new generation and its more educated and technically savvy younger ones take us forward hopefully to an improved world.

Anyone can dig and find a quote to suit a purpose but time and context makes it superfluous.

Have another drink.

Unfortunately cold stone sober, and keep it civil mate.

The Greens are more than loonie, they are dangerous.

gg

 

[drsmith]

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This too might be up Bob Brown's alley,

They suggest humans could be modified to be smaller, dislike eating meat, have fewer children and be more willing to co-operate with social goals.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/science...ate-policy--remake-humans-20120405-1wfo6.html

 

[wayneL]

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That is very bad misinterpretation of fact.

The ole Bob Menzie cry of communism was hot air swallowed by people in fear due to warmongering. Was good for selling arms and making money for the rich though.

Totalitarianism is in fact the exact opposite of the consensus government as espoused by the modern Greens Constitution. Though the icon he maybe, Bob Brown is but a small part of the growing greens movement today.

Time you got into the modern real world ole pal.

But I must say ole Bob taught many of you well, he'd have use the term tree huggers too. Pretty harmless really.

Time to get into the modern world? What sort of imbecilic aspersion is that?

The Greens only seek the consensus of those who agree with them. They want acolytes and would ultimately be prepared to gaol, murder, medicate or genetically modify any dissenters. This theme is appearing more and more in Green literature on the world scale.

The 'modern' world is replete with totalitarian governments and those who seek to implement them. Where do you think these people are lurking Mr Plod? Most are in the Green movement.

Take a look at your own motives, I would bet my bottom dollar you would be prepared to force your ideals by any means necessary, if you had the power.

This is the essence of totalitarianism. The Green's 'consensus' is nothing of the sort.

 

[Logique]

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Problem, a suit is brought against you for defaming an industry or a company. Solution, get the government to change the law. That's not totalitarian at all.

http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/txt/s3464006.htm
Terry Edwards, Forest Industry Association on Q&A, Hobart 2 April:

I also talked about making environmental organisations subjected to exactly the same laws that apply to everyone else in the community, things like the Trade Practices Act, the Australian Competition and Consumer Act, truth in advertising laws, all of which environmental organisations are exempt from and exploit on a daily basis in a completely unfair way that creates a non level playing field that we are required to play on but we are kicking uphill every single quarter and it is becoming quite difficult. Now, we can't fight back against the campaigns.

There’s a classic case of defamation that’s been identified by our barrister that we’re not able to run because the Tasmanian Government changed the law so that a corporation cannot take action against an individual or a not for profit organisation under our defamation laws.

 

[Logique]

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Australia Government DEEWR current website: http://www.deewr.gov.au/lmip/default.aspx?LMIP/LFR/Tas/MerseyLyell
And bearing in mind that Tasmania's overall unemployment rate has blown out to 6.6%, the worst in the nation. Three different regional areas below, respectively Tas 9.3%, NSW 9.1%, and QLD 7.1% unemployment.

 

[orr]

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It must be galling to many of those here that even Alan Jones after falling into the ideologically empty dust bin of Drug prohibition and banging his twisted stick against its clanging walls, in a loosing battle to drown out those making sense on the issue ever since he started spitting his shrill tones to the airwaves, Has now moved to align him self with Green Policy on the subject. One Day guys... you to may even catch up.
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/polit...ics-on-the-road-to-reform-20120405-1wfep.html

on the Brown "Earthians" to get anything that resembles a rational perspective, this needs to be read from Guy Rundle;
http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/04/05...artoon-schooling-gerard-pressure-on-murdochs/

Rational perspective? what am I thinking.

 

[explod]

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It must be galling to many of those here that even Alan Jones after falling into the ideologically empty dust bin of Drug prohibition and banging his twisted stick against its clanging walls, in a loosing battle to drown out those making sense on the issue ever since he started spitting his shrill tones to the airwaves, Has now moved to align him self with Green Policy on the subject. One Day guys... you to may even catch up.

http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/04/05...artoon-schooling-gerard-pressure-on-murdochs/

Rational perspective? what am I thinking.

Yes this last link nails a lot of it.