The Australian Greens party

[Gringotts Bank]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

Yes as I said, hidden agendas everywhere. This is why the decision makers must be free of agendas themselves. There are not many people like that around - it requires enormous maturity. Most people hate this or that type of person (or lifestyle) depending on their personal history. That's where the truth gets obscured by personal concerns, just like on this forum.

If anyone is wondering about my own stance, I don't really have one, because I haven't studied the topic in any depth.

 

[SM Junkie]

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I find your comments a little confusing GB. You seem quite philosophical or showing some spiritual insight into the personality. But in reality we all live and work with our biases everyday and most can accept and apply rational or conscious thought to our actions (called the Parent side of the personality). So please don't lump us all the same and all having hidden agendas. Simply not true.

Yes as I said, hidden agendas everywhere. This is why the decision makers must be free of agendas themselves.

Now this is a real oxymoron. I could not name one person in the history of Local/State or Federal government that is not in the game for their own agenda. They go into politics to voice their opinions because they believe so strongly in it.

 

[Mofra]

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Now this is a real oxymoron. I could not name one person in the history of Local/State or Federal government that is not in the game for their own agenda. They go into politics to voice their opinions because they believe so strongly in it.

In a way yes, although many enter politics with the best of intentions, turning their back on mor elucrative opportunities. Sadly, most (if not all) end up playing the political game as it becoem apparent you need to become one of herd of fall by the wayside.

It's a shame Bob Brown made such comments; he really seems to be sounding more and more like a spin-doctor led Lib/Laborite.

If only the LDP as a party would gain some traction

 

[Gringotts Bank]

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Fair enough. Although I would draw a distinction between:
1. those who have strong beliefs about hows things do or should work, and create their views and policies accordingly, and...
2. those who are so adhered to a particular lifestyle or ideology that they view all opposing views as threatening, and therefore do anything they can to squash them.

The language on here is so aggressive that you can bet there's a lot in the second group. That's my point.

 

[SM Junkie]

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The language on here is so aggressive that you can bet there's a lot in the second group. That's my point.

For sure...but that is how the world works. Better not to buy into those arguments, you can never win.

Mofra...I think Peter Garrett is the perfect case example of toeing the party line...absolutely breaks my heart.

Seriously have the Greens got any runs on the table as far as the environment goes?? I hear them supporting the emissions tax, but that is all. So years are waisted on petty discussions without any real change occurring. Why don't we get back to basics around enouraging more households to convert to alternative energy consumptions. Every person who makes a change adds up over time.

 

[moXJO]

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IMO we would be better off investing more into researching new green technologies that will benefit the whole world. Considering Australia is roughly 30 mill of people I don't think we will put much of a dent in carbon reduction any other way.

 

[drsmith]

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Do you secretly hate greens with their dreadlocks and tree hugging?

Come on now, be honest.

What I don't like is the idea of Australia being turned into a third world economic backwater.

Below is two examples of policy ideals from the Greens copied from different parts of their website;

14.Australia needs to plan for a future that does not rely on coal export and coal fired electricity.

16.prepare contingency plans for possible large scale humanitarian migration as a result of climate change.

Fuzzy warm ideals, but what would life be like for ordinary Australians ?

They dare not produce a budget statement from their policies as that would reveal the truth.

Thier policies tend to suggest they think we can have more influence over the world by taking a "so called" moral stand and diminishing our economic standing relative to the rest of the world.

 

[sinic]

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After the greens absurd announcement I have yet to notice any reporting of the the incident from the Sydney Morning Herald (or the Age) - bit embarrassing I suppose.

 

[Smurf1976]

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That has already happened to a large extent.

Judging by the comments I have heard generally since Brown's bit about the Queensland floods, I'd have to agree with you.

Very few people seem to have accepted Bob Brown't comments as having any credibility whatsoever. I was expecting that at least some would support him, but supporters are few and far between if you read the papers etc.

 

[WaveSurfer]

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Yes GG, there are now over 500 nuclear power plants in operation throughout the world. France alone has 70+.

No need to waste money on nuclear fission. Nuclear fusion is the way of the future. They should have it worked out in the next 10-20 years, maybe a lot less.

Interesting reading all the Green protest voters. Many people that I have spoken to who voted green said the same thing. Can't blame them really. Look at the utter BS we had to deal with leading up to the election. Neither ALP or LNP instilled much confidence in either of themselves.

I stand by my view, none of the above. They're all the same, in one way or another.

 

[noco]

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No need to waste money on nuclear fission. Nuclear fusion is the way of the future. They should have it worked out in the next 10-20 years, maybe a lot less.

Interesting reading all the Green protest voters. Many people that I have spoken to who voted green said the same thing. Can't blame them really. Look at the utter BS we had to deal with leading up to the election. Neither ALP or LNP instilled much confidence in either of themselves.

I stand by my view, none of the above. They're all the same, in one way or another.

WaveSurfer, the problem with the majority who voted for the Greens in protest of the two major parties, had no idea what the Greens stand for. I know two of my friends who voted for the Greens had no idea what their poliicies were untill I suggested they check them out on Google. I can tell you they were shocked to learn the details and will never vote Green again.

 

[WaveSurfer]

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WaveSurfer, the problem with the majority who voted for the Greens in protest of the two major parties, had no idea what the Greens stand for. I know two of my friends who voted for the Greens had no idea what their poliicies were untill I suggested they check them out on Google. I can tell you they were shocked to learn the details and will never vote Green again.

Oh yea mate, undeniably so. I think that the majority of people have no idea what any of the parties really stand for. Other than what they hear on the idiot box.

I don't think it should be left up to people to have to go online and find out themselves (many people can't). All information should be conveyed to us in an unbiased manner through the media so that we (the people) can make a more of an informed decision.

 

[Julia]

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Yes as I said, hidden agendas everywhere. This is why the decision makers must be free of agendas themselves. There are not many people like that around - it requires enormous maturity. Most people hate this or that type of person (or lifestyle) depending on their personal history. That's where the truth gets obscured by personal concerns, just like on this forum.

If anyone is wondering about my own stance, I don't really have one, because I haven't studied the topic in any depth.

You admit to not having studied the topic in any depth, yet make pronouncements about the biases of pretty much everyone, including suggesting many on this forum are 'aggressive'. That doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Of course we all have our natural biases. These are hopefully formed after a lifetime of experience and some objective evaluations.

You seem to be suggesting that most people hold irrational and unreasonable biases and are incapable of objectivity. I disagree.

Certainly a few people (maybe the most passionate Greens?) hold to their views without seeming to have the capacity to evaluate these objectively.

But I'd say overall, your average Australian is a bit smarter than you are suggesting, and I'd certainly consider most ASF members as pretty educated, discerning and able to form opinions from their own experiences.

What I don't like is the idea of Australia being turned into a third world economic backwater.

I agree entirely. But I think many have yet to wake up to this being the result of Greens' policies. Many are still either (a) ignorant and only voted Greens because they were determined not to support Labor or Liberal, or (b) too absorbed in the warm fuzzy feeling of looking after the planet that they have no clue about how the Greens will ruin the economy if given half a chance.

Julia Gillard has made some crap decisions, but quite the worst imo was to formalise an agreement with the Greens.

 

[Mofra]

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Mofra...I think Peter Garrett is the perfect case example of toeing the party line...absolutely breaks my heart.

Good point - Garrett, Abbott & Penny Wong all tie in terms of the hypocrasy stakes at the Federal level.

Garrett - former environmental warrier, finds out it's only easy to be idealistic when you don't have a real job.
Abbott - Mr Workchoices abandons it for his politicing at the election, and tries a Mr Niceguy routine despite being the designated Lib headkicker for the past 15 years.
Penny Wong - Openly gay senator who speaks out against gay marraige.

Some would argue we get the politicians we deserve. Australia isn't perfect, but surely we deserve better than this.

 

[Calliope]

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Penny Wong - Openly gay senator who speaks out against gay marraige.

Actually Penny Wong supports gay marriage.

 

[Julia]

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Calliope, I suppose she does support gay marriage on a personal basis. But I think Mofra's meaning was pretty clear in that - despite her personal situation - she's prepared to compromise her own view to adhere to the party line, hence the hypocrisy.

 

[Calliope]

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Not so. Back in November;

FINANCE Minister Penny Wong has laid down a challenge to Julia Gillard and the federal Labor Party over the legalisation of gay marriage.

Senator Wong today backed a motion passed at the ALP conference in South Australia for a federal policy change in favour of gay marriage.

The openly gay senator from South Australia seconded an amended motion by the Florey sub-branch at today's conference.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...-on-gay-marriage/story-fn59niix-1225961983913

 

[Julia]

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OK, thanks Calliope. She has clearly changed her stance since I heard her interviewed on the subject.

 

[Happy]

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... She has clearly changed her stance ...

(Included Quote because you love them )

Simply called: Backflip

Hard to be engaged, as people in power think one thing, say another and do whatever.

 

[RandR]

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The Greens, who appear to be alingned with communism,
Between the Greens and Islam I would hate to see what this world of ours will be like in 20 or 30 years time.

Yes ! Damn those evil communists and Muslims eh ! sneaky buggers .... whatever happened to nice white christian god fearing people ? Damn all those people who have concerns that we might be trashing our (one and only) planet eh. Thats just superstitious hippy talk, lets not worry about that, Im sure the good folks of NASA will find us another one soon ......

Noco, could you please make a list things you believe to be bad/evil about communism/communists/islam ?

Then make a similar list of things you believe to be bad/evil about capitalism/capitalists/christianity ?

My self I would probably consider to be a democratic socialist, i believe in the power of equality, I believe in the fundamental right of all humans to not be judged on matters of faith.

just quietly .... I also think a communist and a muslim would make great neighbours and possibly by combining the two would create the perfect neighbour