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Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists
Labor - not particularly good at running things
Liberal - openly admits they don't know how to run even realtively straightforward things efficiently. In some cases Labor does the exact same, they just do it a bit less often.
Greens - seemingly no intention of running anything in an efficient, sensible manner
Labor seems the best of a bad bunch in my opinion.
Labor - not particularly good at running things
Liberal - openly admits they don't know how to run even realtively straightforward things efficiently. In some cases Labor does the exact same, they just do it a bit less often.
Greens - seemingly no intention of running anything in an efficient, sensible manner
Labor seems the best of a bad bunch in my opinion.
Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists
The Greens for a start are social left and one step behind communism. They have a skin deep enviromental policy and a Marxist heart.
Senator Croy Bernardi sums up Bob Brown to a tee with his recent hyprocrisy.
http://www.corybernardi.com/2011/01...m_campaign=Feed:+CoryBernardi+(Cory+Bernardi)
The Greens for a start are social left and one step behind communism. They have a skin deep enviromental policy and a Marxist heart.
Senator Croy Bernardi sums up Bob Brown to a tee with his recent hyprocrisy.
http://www.corybernardi.com/2011/01...m_campaign=Feed:+CoryBernardi+(Cory+Bernardi)
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Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists
Or, the pigs will be pigs..
Perfect theory except in execution..
Or, the pigs will be pigs..
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Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists
So looking forward to your next post.
With thanks.
Really? Perhaps you could detail exactly why.just quietly .... I also think a communist and a muslim would make great neighbours and possibly by combining the two would create the perfect neighbour
Or alternatively, you could explain what you see as the advantages/benefits of Marxism.
So looking forward to your next post.
With thanks.
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Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists
Thanks for that. Going to add your quote to my thesis "The impossibility of objective thought in social democrats" as further evidence.
There has never been a truer word said.
Thanks for that. Going to add your quote to my thesis "The impossibility of objective thought in social democrats" as further evidence.
kennas said:
There has never been a truer word said.
Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists
Why do i think they'd make the perfect neighbour ? simple ... my personal experience is that people that are practicing muslims tend to be fairly quiet, and respectful. My theory on why a communist would make a perfect neighbour, is again .. simple ... because you'd think anyone who preaches communism would be pretty keen to help out a neighbour when in need, and maybe share some wealth...
The advantages i see in marxism are .. once again ... simple ... a classless society. (social class to me is disgusting) A society where the poor are lifted up, and the only society where true unadultered democracy could ever be achieved. A society that would truly, be of the people, and for the people. Tell me why in a country as great as ours, we allow so many people to live in destitution, people to become homeless and live in poverty ? When such a thing occurs in a country as great as Australia i think something is not right ... and i believe ideals involved with, socialism, and marxism, can be an answer. Because its quite obvious to me capitalism is not.
Maybe your opinion of people that are muslims ... or define themselves politically as communists/socialists, is different to mine. Maybe thats because the experience you have lived with people such as this is different to the experience i have had, and thats perfectly fine.
But in a thread titled about a political party in Australia, i would expect to see some good, open debate about actual policy of the party. Not open slather and bigotry directed at people according to the religious idols, or political ideals. Which to my mind is disgusting and a little bit more then just insulting ... and why ive probably been a little bit more provocative in my responses. If any of my posts have seemed a touch (angsty) i apologise.
Why do i think they'd make the perfect neighbour ? simple ... my personal experience is that people that are practicing muslims tend to be fairly quiet, and respectful. My theory on why a communist would make a perfect neighbour, is again .. simple ... because you'd think anyone who preaches communism would be pretty keen to help out a neighbour when in need, and maybe share some wealth...
The advantages i see in marxism are .. once again ... simple ... a classless society. (social class to me is disgusting) A society where the poor are lifted up, and the only society where true unadultered democracy could ever be achieved. A society that would truly, be of the people, and for the people. Tell me why in a country as great as ours, we allow so many people to live in destitution, people to become homeless and live in poverty ? When such a thing occurs in a country as great as Australia i think something is not right ... and i believe ideals involved with, socialism, and marxism, can be an answer. Because its quite obvious to me capitalism is not.
Maybe your opinion of people that are muslims ... or define themselves politically as communists/socialists, is different to mine. Maybe thats because the experience you have lived with people such as this is different to the experience i have had, and thats perfectly fine.
But in a thread titled about a political party in Australia, i would expect to see some good, open debate about actual policy of the party. Not open slather and bigotry directed at people according to the religious idols, or political ideals. Which to my mind is disgusting and a little bit more then just insulting ... and why ive probably been a little bit more provocative in my responses. If any of my posts have seemed a touch (angsty) i apologise.
Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists
RandR, Communism failed miserably in Russia. Perhaps if you were to live in North Korea, Cuba or even China, you would no doubt change your mind.
Under Communism everything thing is owned by the state. There is no incentive to live in these countries and don't tell me poverty does not exist. If you dare step out of line or protest you could be shot.
I say to you,"GO AND TRY IT OUT".
Why do i think they'd make the perfect neighbour ? simple ... my personal experience is that people that are practicing muslims tend to be fairly quiet, and respectful. My theory on why a communist would make a perfect neighbour, is again .. simple ... because you'd think anyone who preaches communism would be pretty keen to help out a neighbour when in need, and maybe share some wealth...
The advantages i see in marxism are .. once again ... simple ... a classless society. (social class to me is disgusting) A society where the poor are lifted up, and the only society where true unadultered democracy could ever be achieved. A society that would truly, be of the people, and for the people. Tell me why in a country as great as ours, we allow so many people to live in destitution, people to become homeless and live in poverty ? When such a thing occurs in a country as great as Australia i think something is not right ... and i believe ideals involved with, socialism, and marxism, can be an answer. Because its quite obvious to me capitalism is not.
Maybe your opinion of people that are muslims ... or define themselves politically as communists/socialists, is different to mine. Maybe thats because the experience you have lived with people such as this is different to the experience i have had, and thats perfectly fine.
But in a thread titled about a political party in Australia, i would expect to see some good, open debate about actual policy of the party. Not open slather and bigotry directed at people according to the religious idols, or political ideals. Which to my mind is disgusting and a little bit more then just insulting ... and why ive probably been a little bit more provocative in my responses. If any of my posts have seemed a touch (angsty) i apologise.
RandR, Communism failed miserably in Russia. Perhaps if you were to live in North Korea, Cuba or even China, you would no doubt change your mind.
Under Communism everything thing is owned by the state. There is no incentive to live in these countries and don't tell me poverty does not exist. If you dare step out of line or protest you could be shot.
I say to you,"GO AND TRY IT OUT".
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And now you've seen it. As you know Julia, clowns come and go on this forum at frequent intervals. I think RandR is simply trolling. No one could be that disingenuous in the real world.
And now you've seen it. As you know Julia, clowns come and go on this forum at frequent intervals. I think RandR is simply trolling. No one could be that disingenuous in the real world.
Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists
Yes let’s drag everyone down to poor level...... There is a reason why people are floating out of Cuba in eskys and it's not because they love communism.
I got to a stage where I was dirt poor and too proud to go on the dole, or ask for handouts (welfare makes you even more prone to stay in your rut imo). It got to a stage where all I had was $100 and an old 250cc motorbike. I rode to another state with the shirt on my back, worked my ar$e off, then started my own business and am now comfortable. So I wouldn’t be interested in changing Australia into a lazy mans paradise ( then subsequent nightmare ) when I know that you can choose what you want to make out of life in this country.
I'm also a fan of banning all religion in this country. You want to pray; good on ya, do it in your own time. I am sick of religion dictating the political direction. It's a product of a bygone era to control the masses.
As for Green policy, it's more kissing rainbows then anything substantial. You talk about bigotry well take a very hard look at the Greens
It doesn't work.
I'm sorry but life is very good in this country, even when you are on skid row. Go visit a third world country and see how they have it. Hell, go visit a communist country and check out 'the classless societies' poor.
Why do i think they'd make the perfect neighbour ? simple ... my personal experience is that people that are practicing muslims tend to be fairly quiet, and respectful. My theory on why a communist would make a perfect neighbour, is again .. simple ... because you'd think anyone who preaches communism would be pretty keen to help out a neighbour when in need, and maybe share some wealth...
The advantages i see in marxism are .. once again ... simple ... a classless society. (social class to me is disgusting) A society where the poor are lifted up, and the only society where true unadultered democracy could ever be achieved. A society that would truly, be of the people, and for the people. Tell me why in a country as great as ours, we allow so many people to live in destitution, people to become homeless and live in poverty ? When such a thing occurs in a country as great as Australia i think something is not right ... and i believe ideals involved with, socialism, and marxism, can be an answer. Because its quite obvious to me capitalism is not.
Maybe your opinion of people that are muslims ... or define themselves politically as communists/socialists, is different to mine. Maybe thats because the experience you have lived with people such as this is different to the experience i have had, and thats perfectly fine.
But in a thread titled about a political party in Australia, i would expect to see some good, open debate about actual policy of the party. Not open slather and bigotry directed at people according to the religious idols, or political ideals. Which to my mind is disgusting and a little bit more then just insulting ... and why ive probably been a little bit more provocative in my responses. If any of my posts have seemed a touch (angsty) i apologise.
Yes let’s drag everyone down to poor level...... There is a reason why people are floating out of Cuba in eskys and it's not because they love communism.
I got to a stage where I was dirt poor and too proud to go on the dole, or ask for handouts (welfare makes you even more prone to stay in your rut imo). It got to a stage where all I had was $100 and an old 250cc motorbike. I rode to another state with the shirt on my back, worked my ar$e off, then started my own business and am now comfortable. So I wouldn’t be interested in changing Australia into a lazy mans paradise ( then subsequent nightmare ) when I know that you can choose what you want to make out of life in this country.
I'm also a fan of banning all religion in this country. You want to pray; good on ya, do it in your own time. I am sick of religion dictating the political direction. It's a product of a bygone era to control the masses.
As for Green policy, it's more kissing rainbows then anything substantial. You talk about bigotry well take a very hard look at the Greens
Makes me want to puke. If you honestly think this is what happens then you are deluded. It's the rest of us that get dragged down, not the poor getting lifted up.
It doesn't work.
I'm sorry but life is very good in this country, even when you are on skid row. Go visit a third world country and see how they have it. Hell, go visit a communist country and check out 'the classless societies' poor.
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RandR, communism/Marxism in theory sounds great and if humans lived in hive-like societies and lived purely to advance the society as a whole it would work quite well. However, humans are competitive and greedy and the Marxist utopia will never work while what makes humans human remains.
RandR, communism/Marxism in theory sounds great and if humans lived in hive-like societies and lived purely to advance the society as a whole it would work quite well. However, humans are competitive and greedy and the Marxist utopia will never work while what makes humans human remains.
Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists
Im not advocating communism in the sense that your interpreting, im advocating democratic socialism, and marxist principles .... if you cant understand that point then maybe were not interpreting each other very well.
Russia, North Korea and China are all excellent examples of State Capitalism to say they were ideally marxist is ridiculous. They certainly were not Democratically Socialist ... to suggest so is an oxymoron.
Yes, they borrowed some (keyword is the some) principles from marxism, but fundamentally they were not and could not conceivably be called socialists ... or democrats ... or even marxists, by the very principle of the terminology.
for some reading on this - read here
http://www.marxists.org/archive/dunayevskaya/works/1941/ussr-capitalist.htm
and read here ..
http://www.chomsky.info/articles/1986----.htm
Im not advocating communism in the sense that your interpreting, im advocating democratic socialism, and marxist principles .... if you cant understand that point then maybe were not interpreting each other very well.
Russia, North Korea and China are all excellent examples of State Capitalism to say they were ideally marxist is ridiculous. They certainly were not Democratically Socialist ... to suggest so is an oxymoron.
Yes, they borrowed some (keyword is the some) principles from marxism, but fundamentally they were not and could not conceivably be called socialists ... or democrats ... or even marxists, by the very principle of the terminology.
for some reading on this - read here
http://www.marxists.org/archive/dunayevskaya/works/1941/ussr-capitalist.htm
and read here ..
http://www.chomsky.info/articles/1986----.htm
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I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiment here ...
What i dont agree with is people being treated unequally or with disdain due to there religous beliefs. Something i feel was done in this thread...
Yes .. your right ... we might all have to give upsomething as trivial as our Iphone 4's so the people that are sleeping on park benches in urban areas all around australia ... can be provided with proper shelter and the support that they as Australians deserve ... makes me want to puke too.
Yes, life is good ... in most of this country. But for example i also believe the poverty, and historically poor lack of support of indigenous communities in parts of Australia is a disgrace, and something that i feel a little ashamed of as an Australian. I believe we can improve this, and i believe it can be achieved through some form of socialism. Thats my opinion, if you have a different opinion ... thats cool.
I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiment here ...
What i dont agree with is people being treated unequally or with disdain due to there religous beliefs. Something i feel was done in this thread...
Yes .. your right ... we might all have to give upsomething as trivial as our Iphone 4's so the people that are sleeping on park benches in urban areas all around australia ... can be provided with proper shelter and the support that they as Australians deserve ... makes me want to puke too.
Yes, life is good ... in most of this country. But for example i also believe the poverty, and historically poor lack of support of indigenous communities in parts of Australia is a disgrace, and something that i feel a little ashamed of as an Australian. I believe we can improve this, and i believe it can be achieved through some form of socialism. Thats my opinion, if you have a different opinion ... thats cool.
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Ive posted and explained my views on marxism, and democratic socialism ...
people have responded with ...
- communism is EVIL so marxism must be too
- go live there
- but it will make me poorer
- people are floating out of eskys from cuba
and you think im the one thats trolling ?
Ive posted and explained my views on marxism, and democratic socialism ...
people have responded with ...
- communism is EVIL so marxism must be too
- go live there
- but it will make me poorer
- people are floating out of eskys from cuba
and you think im the one thats trolling ?
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Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists
But how would the people sleeping on park benches be able to access their supplies.
This needs more working.
gg
But how would the people sleeping on park benches be able to access their supplies.
This needs more working.
gg
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Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists
Good on you RandR, nice to see some balance.
Most of the punters around here don't like to hear views that vary much from their right wing ideology.
Talking about how "communism" failed in Russia, have a look at the home of "capitalism", the US is not travelling all that well.
Good on you RandR, nice to see some balance.
Most of the punters around here don't like to hear views that vary much from their right wing ideology.
Talking about how "communism" failed in Russia, have a look at the home of "capitalism", the US is not travelling all that well.
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Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists
Like, opposite to the stock market?
So, you're well on the left side of centre still, right?
Like, opposite to the stock market?
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Its because we live in the real world, greyhounds, horses, texasholdem, sp, shares, warrants , options or cfds.
Nothing to do with ideology except D$ckhead Ideology.
gg
Its because we live in the real world, greyhounds, horses, texasholdem, sp, shares, warrants , options or cfds.
Nothing to do with ideology except D$ckhead Ideology.
gg
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Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists
Personally, I can't think of any better plan but the far left side of centre is NOT it.
Not until we no longer require locks on doors.
Or, until the human race is united in an effort against something to save our entire existence.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding the whole cyclical thing with capitalism and free market society but I think the boom and bust is actually supposed to happen. Some crashes and booms are bigger than others.
Personally, I can't think of any better plan but the far left side of centre is NOT it.
Not until we no longer require locks on doors.
Or, until the human race is united in an effort against something to save our entire existence.
