Sean K
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What they do speaks so loudly, I can't hear what they say.I understand the PM probably needs to travel around via the RAAF for security and convenience. He's a very busy and important man. But, this is almost Davos-like. And, #BlackOutBowen has no excuse. The World is about to explode and Australia's CO2 is responsible, right? The hypocrisy is strong in this one.
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Scientists struggle to explain ‘really weird’ spike in world temperatures
Extreme temperatures have shattered the grimmest expectations of a warming world and tested climate models.www.smh.com.au
Yes like I keep saying it isn't a precise science that is why a lot of white noise and hysteria doesn't help.That was a good read this bit was interesting
"What he means is that many of the industrial processes that release warming gases like methane and carbon dioxide into the atmosphere also release sulphur dioxide and nitrogen dioxide. These gases, while dangerous, also have a short-term cooling effect because they reflect some heat back into space.
As a result, says Hansen, some of our pollution is masking the heat we have already locked into the system, and as we strip out the pollution the mask is being lifted and warming is accelerating."
Yes down South things are getting dire, I have family and friends in Manjimup, Boyup Brook, Mumballup and rain needs to come soon. They are carting water.Meanwhile back in the real world read the below then understand WA's water run off calapase
Perth has been enjoying a glorious stretch of weather, but experts warn the cloudless skies could come at a cost
Perth has just endured its driest six-month spell since records began almost 150 years ago, with less than 22 millimetres of rain to the end of March. What does this mean for our precious water resources?www.abc.net.au
Perth Streamflow | Current & Annual Statistics - Water Corporation WA
View current & historical streamflow data and learn about the impact climate change has had on streamflow into our damswww.watercorporation.com.au
it's April .... answer to prayerdown South things are getting dire, I have family and friends in Manjimup, Boyup Brook, Mumballup and rain needs to come soon. They are carting water.
My sister will be happy if she has got rain.it's April .... answer to prayer
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That concern's been around a long time, remember reading about that back in the 1990's.some of our pollution is masking the heat we have already locked into the system, and as we strip out the pollution the mask is being lifted and warming is accelerating
It would be fair to say SW WA is missing out on rain over summer.Yes down South things are getting dire, I have family and friends in Manjimup, Boyup Brook, Mumballup and rain needs to come soon. They are carting water.
Thats an interesting graphic when one considers that that during this period we are in a La Nino with a warm phase in the ENSO cycle.It would be fair to say SW WA is missing out on rain over summer.
Some parts of the country have been doing well; Channel Country likely to flood Lake Eyre
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I think you've got that back to front. or misgendered. La Niña or El Niño.Thats an interesting graphic when one considers that that during this period we are in a La Nino with a warm phase in the ENSO cycle.
This is normally associated with much drier conditions along the east coast, which does not seem to correlate with the above.
Mick
I was trying to be gender nuetral.I think you've got that back to front. or misgendered. La Niña or El Niño.
The reality of current climate change caused by human emissions of GG gases is now recognised as overwhelmingly a scientific fact. I'm not suggesting you are labeling this as ideology SP but that is certainly how its painted by the various people/orgs who trash the science and the physical evidence of a rapidly warming planet.Yes like I keep saying it isn't a precise science that is why a lot of white noise and hysteria doesn't help.
All it does is give ammunition to those who want to blow holes in the debate.
IMO it is a bit like the transition to renewables, it isn't a case of this is better than that, or point scoring.
It is a human obligation to our grandkids and our greatgrandkids, that if we have the technology to improve the air on our planet, it is our obligation to do so in the most sensible way.
That's why ideology needs to step aside and cool sensible debate is needed not politics or emmotional nonsense.
Thats an interesting graphic when one considers that that during this period we are in a La Nino with a warm phase in the ENSO cycle.
This is normally associated with much drier conditions along the east coast, which does not seem to correlate with the above.
Mick
interesting/ good article. To me, the changes are not binary; just on the rainfall, there's been persistent trough activity in central parts of the continent this year, and the Decadal drift may be part of that.I posted a while ago the surf forecaster that talked about El Nino not firing the why's and how's also talked why so much rain on the east coast in a El Nino year and that La Nina returning which means ongoing rain east coast but the important part good surf east coast, bad southern and western coasts.
Edit explained here: https://www.swellnet.com/news/swellnet-analysis/2024/02/27/slip-sliding-la-nina
interesting/ good article. To me, the changes are not binary; just on the rainfall, there's been persistent trough activity in central parts of the continent this year, and the Decadal drift may be part of that.
All in all there seems to be either a case of too much data or not enough data.
My observation is that the overwhelming majority of public debate and discussion around this subject has fallen into one of the following categories:Cool sensible debate ? I'm not quite sure about what the topic of this debate should be
My observation is that the overwhelming majority of public debate and discussion around this subject has fallen into one of the following categories:
1. Factually correct in pointing out that x is bad but completely missing the point that the proposed alternative has the same problem.
2. Blatant politics. Vote for whoever and nothing will physically change but we'll stop complaining about it.
3. Efforts to implement some unrelated agenda. Eg political ideologies or to prohibit something that isn't about climate change, just something that someone doesn't like.
4. Pure profit. Give us your money and it'll make at best a token improvement in the problem. It will however make far more than a token contribution to our directors' bonuses.
5. Refusal to accept needed technologies as part of the solution, most notably but not limited to hydro and nuclear.
With a hefty dose of hypocrisy added to the mix. Let's all fly to the other side of the world, individually each in our own private jet, to talk about the need for restrictions on the power rating of domestic vacuum cleaners and the importance of public transport.
Therein lies the problem. Science aside, the response to the issue has been relentlessly and almost completely hijacked by an assortment of politics, vested interests and off topic agendas. End result, the whole thing's a complete and utter mess which in my view stands little chance of redemption at this point.
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