Sean K
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Channel 9 have given this some airtime
Victorians have shivered through the lowest summer temperature ever recorded this morning, with snow falling across large parts of the state's alps.
The mercury dipped to -5.4 degrees at Mt Hotham by 5am, officially marking the chilliest summer day in the state since records began.
In sad news for anybody hoping to enjoy the summer sunshine, the frosty conditions are set to continue for some time yet.
Yeah it does.Does the global warming hypothesis support record cold weather?
Yeah it does.
Sean the trend is pointing to higher temps but certainly doesn't rule out extreme lower temps along the way unless you get enough to change the trend.
Given there is more energy in weathers systems and growing don't know if that translates to colder events as well.
Would urge you to read up on sea ice for both poles and glacier melts, basically we are f%$ked.
Also read up on ocean warming trends and the delay in the really nasty stuff due to oceans being the earths heat sinks and the lag in absorption and tipping points again we are f%$ked.
Merry Xmas.
Re colder temps.
Heresy, I tells ya.
Yes, I have been reading up on this stuff over several years but the goal posts have been changing from the climate scientists. It was only a couple of years ago that there was going to be 'end of snow'.
These types of claims, along with 'even the rain that falls won't fill our dams' have been horribly incorrect and caused massive investment in white elephant desalination plants and resulted in tourism and property valuations being decimated on the slopes.
I daresay that the recent damages we've suffered with flooding has been due in part to water not being released from the dams earlier due to the fear that there was not going to be any replenishment from normal cycles of dry and wet. The water management bodies allowed Wivenhoe and the Hume to go to almost overflowing before releasing water.
And let's also consider that large sections of the Great Barrier Reef is in the best condition it has been since records have been kept.
The catastrophism surrounding the short-medium term predictions have almost gone beyond the 'boy who cried wolf' idiom. IMO, it's causing a greater rush to renewables that might be necessary and damaging our economies and energy security to almost beyond repair making us extremely vulnerable to potential security shocks and damaging the lives of people who can't afford the financial pain we're coping - and it's only just starting.
The transition to RE has just been managed horribly across the entire planet at all levels.
Yes unfortunately politics has crept in not just from politicians (starting with the Republicans US in the 80,s) but also among so called climate scientists (is there anyone who now isn't?).
Much of the immediate dooms day stuff is various people trying to hurry up the process's of change (Tim Fannery an example?) the actual science is sound, understanding it is simple particularly if you have work with and around gases and understand measurement and statistics but messing with the timing has done harm.
Safe to say it has given anti climate groups (talking about vested interests with seriously large amounts of money backing this) plenty of ammunition to sow doubt.
With climate and weather clearly there are variations and its not a straight line but the over all trend is dramatic and clear.
WA is a good example.
As a side comment I am surfer (also from a farming family )and have long followed weather patterns here in WA along two generations before me.
In WA climate change is really in your face the bumper yield crops grown today in WA wouldn't have been possible 50 years ago with the same rain fall patterns seen today, its advances in farming technology that has allowed for the record crops.
The fall in run off to WA south western water reserves is extreme and without desalination plants Perth would run out of water.
As the head of the WA state run Water Corp has said no one in her department doubts that climate change is real.
It could be argued that WA is merely an example of variation in weather patterns and the east coast flooding confirms that.
If anything the east coat flooding is more likely an early indication of more energy in weather systems hence a more severe La Nina time will tell.
BTW surfing forecasters (Swellnet is pretty good) predicted the events unfolding on the east coast around 6 months out the NSW Premier apparently didn't get told when he said no one could have predicted this, politics eh.
My take on the whole thing is I think its all to late particularly if the loss of ice and glaciers continues at the same rate (which means expediential rate sooner).
The changes to RE is certainly messy, if you follow Smurfs and SP's commentary the lack of proper engineering is painful to watch but such environments create change for the better and major advances and hopefully break outs in new means of energy putting to bed once and for all the need for fossil fuels safe nuclear at all sizes would be great.
It is incredibly boring (I can almost sense the host of the video start to nod off, but it was mostly about cycles, solar, revolutions, wobbles and whatnot.I got to about the 15 min mark Wayne and I still didn't know what she was trying to get on about. Conclusion?
I didn't realise WA had been using it's desal plant. Has there been any push to build some extra dams to capture water during the wet for the dry, or has it not been considered due to being hoodwinked by the likes of Flannery who said it'd never rain again? I thought the SW of Australia, along with much of the World, was getting greener due to the extra CO2 according to NASA? Isn't that one of the additional reasons for bumper crops, along with fertalisers etc?
I guess that's why our water is priceyWA has 3 desal plants running at full capacity 35% of total water supply info here, streamflow measured from 1911 scroll down to the chart here, crops are due to being planted now totally by GPS allowing exactly the right amount of grain and fertilizer per square mm (I kid you not) and then spraying the crops (same accuracy) during the growing season etc also with greater control of pesticides and weedicides.
Gear for all this now in the millions so many places are in the 20K acres + talking to some one the other day 3K acres cropping said he was to small sold up to the neighbor 25k acres
Edit 2 desal 3rd on the way
I guess that's why our water is pricey
And there in lies the problem.Further to my mention of surfing forecasters one of the better ones Craig Brokensha (surfers pay for his forecasts) over on Swellnet talks about the coming forecast and also note the link to his explanation re the colder weather.
Craig is an avid surfer, snow boarder, photographer and all round adventureist.
Excellent point Mull. In fact Greta Thunberg echoes your sentiments. She never claims listen to me. It is always hear the climate scientists. And yes you can attempt to balance whatever you want by offsetting Ian Plimmer and Tim Flannery.And there in lies the problem.
Craig may be a great surfer, snowboarder photographer and all round adventurist, but what credence can we give his views?
When we are constantly urged to listen to "The Science"(TM), what does he offer in that respect?
When one of the most influential figures in Climate Alarmism, the teenager Greta Thunberg, has not even finished high school, much less taken any undergraduate studies in the subject, it shows why so many people are skeptical about so many of these constantly more alarming forecasts. Flannery technically has no climate science quals, he is a paleantologist and mammalogist, but is diametrically opposed to another Geologist , Ian Plimmer.
Both could be wrong, but it is unlikely both are right.
People on both sides of the debate will pick and choose which to believe, but thats the way the world works.
Mick
And there in lies the problem.
Craig may be a great surfer, snowboarder photographer and all round adventurist, but what credence can we give his views?
When we are constantly urged to listen to "The Science"(TM), what does he offer in that respect?
When one of the most influential figures in Climate Alarmism, the teenager Greta Thunberg, has not even finished high school, much less taken any undergraduate studies in the subject, it shows why so many people are skeptical about so many of these constantly more alarming forecasts. Flannery technically has no climate science quals, he is a paleantologist and mammalogist, but is diametrically opposed to another Geologist , Ian Plimmer.
Both could be wrong, but it is unlikely both are right.
People on both sides of the debate will pick and choose which to believe, but thats the way the world works.
Mick
And I will ask again, what are his qualifications for forecasting weather?The 1st rule of science to to avoid belief (actually best to avoid full stop for most things and save it for religion)
My mention of Craig (wasn't for climate change per say) more for anyone interested for the reasons for the colder weather, Craig gives quite a detailed summary broken down for us lesser learned beings regarding weather / climate the how's and whys if you read through his stuff its very good, honest and technical describing all the interactions. Its goes well beyond what you will see in mainstream.
Again he is forecasting weather but comments from time to time on what impact climate change may or may not be impacting.
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