I wonder if you will allow the Zionists (say Ben-Gurion or Netenaya) to express an opinion. Probably.
Fine with me. It will be about as balanced as Chomsky's views on American Presidents post 1945.
I don't think this is off topic. What I think is off topic is being forced to read screeds of emotional comment about the Daily News. Which I have already read.
Agreed Lucas.
Chomsky the battler's battler. Who learned how to communicate with the workers on the building sites, the wharves, the workshops..to give their linguisitical failings some voice in the form of admitting to RELATIVELY nothing!
What a champ for the poor and down-and-out.
We can have a separate thread on Noam Chomsky bashing.
Noam Chomsky is the king of academic elitist that I diagree with 100%. He is someone who will tell you there are no moral absolutes! Well, I would like to ask him if he is ABSOLUTELY sure?
Think about it!
Fine with me. It will be about as balanced as Chomsky's views on American Presidents post 1945.
I don't think this is off topic. What I think is off topic is being forced to read screeds of emotional comment about the Daily News. Which I have already read.
Wow, this thread really has gone off topic. Now you're arguing about who is allowed to have a valid opinion or something to say on the matter. I wonder if you will allow the Zionists (say Ben-Gurion or Netenaya) to express an opinion. Probably.
You’re welcome to read my post on page 36 – doubt it’s pro-zionist or pro-arab…I wonder if you will allow the Zionists (say Ben-Gurion or Netenaya) to express opinion. Probably.
Mate if you don't know Noam Chomsky views, why don't read them? His views are well respected all around the world. He is not much liked in conservative America for his views. But I find them quite interesting.
Do you think that we would all behave as they who inhabit those (literal) hot spots - simply because of relentless heat?
The point is, he knows how religion can be used by people for political gains, and the young impressionable minds are most susceptible to such aggression.
Mate if you don't know Noam Chomsky views, why don't read them? His views are well respected all around the world. He is not much liked in conservative America for his views. But I find them quite interesting.
A good intellectual always propose solutions, which he has done many times and debated such solutions. An example of that I posted earlier.
I think this thread has gone off topic, so I will stop posting about Noam...
Well, for what's worthIMO you're :topic .
I thought this was an interesting thread reading views about "Israel in the Gaza" but no more. As far as I'm concerned reading about what you think of Chomsky is irrelevant. Who cares?
How about....is Israel being an expanionist colonialist by entering Gaza or are they simply defending themselves? And....Do the Palestinians have any right to property ownership in the land purchased by the Zionists (say from the late 1800's on) or taken (say post WW2) or has that right been legitimately expunged. And..... Why are not the Palestinians permitted to leave Gaza and settle in other Arab nations (say Jordan or Syria). And why doesn't Israel have a constitution, and if they did would it change the plight of the original Palestinians who used to live there (some maybe still alive but the children and grandchildren certainly are)? Eh?
These are more important issues than arguing about some aging lefty.
Though it may appear that way, it’s not the case. My point was what makes him supposedly the scholars scholar on the Israeli/Palestinian conflict – the fact that he happens to be Jewish? If he were a Palestinian who was born and raised in Auburn, Sydney I’d ask a similar question.
You’re welcome to read my post on page 36 – doubt it’s pro-zionist or pro-arab…
I’ll pass, too many scholars, too many ego’s ;-)
That’s racism !!!!!
Apparently you have to live in the middle east and not be an academic to have a valid opinion. Well and truly a bunch of numb nuts on this thread.
You should at the least know what he is on about before you pass sweeping generalisations and judgement based on him being an egotistical scholar.
I disagree, the main issue is land. Religion is used as an excuse on both sides.
WayneL said:The problem is within the minority radical elements of both religions, rather than the religions themselves
pilots said:What I find strange is that the Jews and Muslims have allot beliefs, that are all most the same, yet they can't live side by side.
cuttlefish said:This is an important point. Its easy to view the conflict as every Palestinian being a rampant, militant, rocket launching, Jew hating fanatic - but given peaceful conditions the majority of people are typically happy to live in peace
Grumpy Old Man said:What makes anyone think that this has anything to do with religion!!!??? The reality is that almost all religions (including Islam and Judism) teach tolerance and compassion for other people. If people lived by their religion and practiced what their ancestors learned before them (killing, theft, greed etc lead to social breakdown), then this carnage we are seeing might be avoided.
As we have seen, contrary to the widespread insistence that true Islam is pacific even if a handful of its adherents are violent, the Islamic sources make clear that engaging in violence against non-Muslims is a central and indispensable principle to Islam. Islam is less a personal faith than a political ideology that exists in a fundamental and permanent state of war with non-Islamic civilizations, cultures, and individuals. The Islamic holy texts outline a social, governmental, and economic system for all mankind. Those cultures and individuals who do not submit to Islamic governance exist in an ipso facto state of rebellion with Allah and must be forcibly brought into submission. The misbegotten term "Islamo-fascism" is wholly redundant: Islam itself is a kind of fascism that achieves its full and proper form only when it assumes the powers of the state.
The spectacular acts of Islamic terrorism in the late 20th and early 21st centuries are but the most recent manifestation of a global war of conquest that Islam has been waging since the days of the Prophet Muhammad in the 7th Century AD and that continues apace today. This is the simple, glaring truth that is staring the world today in the face -- and which has stared it in the face numerous times in the past -- but which it seems few today are willing to contemplate.
i think you guys are unaware of the nature of islam and think its "just another religion" like buddhism or christianity or what have you where people just pray to god and thats it. it's not, islam is a complete social system which tells you what to believe, how to behave, and what extreme punishments are applicable for those who deviate from the path.
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