Despair in Gaza

[luutzu]

If you look at the maps Palestine is getting smaller and smaller over time. They're getting conquered, so they gotta send rockets and fight or embrace being totally conquered. Meanwhile Israel is playing the card “we have to defend ourselves from crazy people” . (limited knowledge of this issue....)

 

[basilio]

Those maps are a very vivid insight into how Israel has systematically expanded its control of more and more terrority in the last 70 years. If you talk to ultra nationalist Israelis the march has along way to go.

On the other hand not every Jew in Israel or worldwide supports the current practices.

( AJDS. Australian Jewish Democratic Society)

AJDS Statement on the massacre of Gazan protesters.
May 17, 2018 | By AJDS
This past week has been a week of horror in Palestine and Israel.

Marking 70 years since the Nakba of Palestinians, the week has seen the continuation of the Great Return March by Palestinians in Gaza, and the indiscriminate killing of some 60 people by Israeli snipers and tear gas and wounding over 1000 others. The Great Return March has been occurring weekly for the past six weeks, with Palestinians in Gaza – most of whom are refugees, unable to return to their ancestral homes – demanding their right to determine where they shall live and how they shall live. The protests this week, organised by a broad coalition of Gazan society, have been deliberately nonviolent, enacting the right of a population under siege to protest and make political claims. These are simple human rights, claims for freedom and for justice.

Members of AJDS are angered and horrified by this indiscriminate killing, and the violence which continues: just this morning (Melbourne time), Israeli warplanes have bombed northern Gaza. The violence is so dire, that it has been noted that the number of Gazans killed by the Israeli army over the last six weeks of protests is larger than the number of people killed by East Germany attempting to cross the Berlin Wall from 1961-1989.

http://www.ajds.org.au/2018/05/ajds-statement-on-the-massacre-of-gazan-protesters/

 

[grah33]

That's why the arabs are filled with hatred for Israel, seems to me. If this wasn't happening there'd probably be more peace in the world.
(I was worried Trump would do something like this . the embassy move...as seen from the maps, he's effectively helping them grab more and more. they must love this president).

 

[grah33]

Those maps are a very vivid insight into how Israel has systematically expanded its control of more and more terrority in the last 70 years. If you talk to ultra nationalist Israelis the march has along way to go.

On the other hand not every Jew in Israel or worldwide supports the current practices.

I wonder just how far they will get. But they haven't got full control of Jerusalem (militarily yes though)... This, in their tradition and culture, is very important to them, it seems to me.

 

[Tisme]

Pretty sure non-Jewish people are not allowed to be naturalised citizen of Israel.

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Something like 3/4 of Israel are Jews...that's a lot of chutzpah in such a small area!

I think there are plenty of Arab citizens, but identify as something else.

 

[basilio]

You don't want to be a Jew protesting against Israels treament of Palestinians.

I am American, Jewish and banned from Israel for my activism
Medea Benjamin
I support nonviolent boycott, divestment and sanctions against Israel in order to support Palestinian rights. The move to ban me and others will backfire

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Palestinians walk past a sign painted on a wall in the West Bank town of Bethlehem. Photograph: Thomas Coex/AFP/Getty Images
This month, the Israeli government announced that activists affiliated with 20 organizations, including my organization Codepink, would be banned from entering Israel and the occupied Palestinian territories because of our support for the nonviolent boycott, divestment and sanctions (BDS) movement for Palestinian rights.

As a Jew, this causes me tremendous sadness because I have a lifetime attachment to Israel and Palestine. It also deepens my commitment to working for peace and equality for all the peoples of the region.

I first went to Israel 50 years ago, right after the June 1967 war. I was 16 years old and spent the summer living on the kibbutz Ein Gedi, right on the Dead Sea. I loved the kibbutz, where I learned about farming, communal living and socialism (yes, it was a socialist kibbutz at the time). I also learned, however, about the contempt and racism many Jews exhibited towards Palestinians and other Arabs.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...jewish-and-banned-from-israel-for-my-activism

 

[moXJO]

If you look at the maps Palestine is getting smaller and smaller over time. They're getting conquered, so they gotta send rockets and fight or embrace being totally conquered. Meanwhile Israel is playing the card “we have to defend ourselves from crazy people” . (limited knowledge of this issue....)

They are being bought out. Jews buy land or houses in contested areas (I think they het paid by the state) They keep buying till they own the whole area.

 

[moXJO]

You don't want to be a Jew protesting against Israels treament of Palestinians.

I am American, Jewish and banned from Israel for my activism
Medea Benjamin
I support nonviolent boycott, divestment and sanctions against Israel in order to support Palestinian rights. The move to ban me and others will backfire

Mon 15 Jan 2018 13.00 GMT Last modified on Mon 15 Jan 2018 16.14 GMT

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Palestinians walk past a sign painted on a wall in the West Bank town of Bethlehem. Photograph: Thomas Coex/AFP/Getty Images
This month, the Israeli government announced that activists affiliated with 20 organizations, including my organization Codepink, would be banned from entering Israel and the occupied Palestinian territories because of our support for the nonviolent boycott, divestment and sanctions (BDS) movement for Palestinian rights.

As a Jew, this causes me tremendous sadness because I have a lifetime attachment to Israel and Palestine. It also deepens my commitment to working for peace and equality for all the peoples of the region.

I first went to Israel 50 years ago, right after the June 1967 war. I was 16 years old and spent the summer living on the kibbutz Ein Gedi, right on the Dead Sea. I loved the kibbutz, where I learned about farming, communal living and socialism (yes, it was a socialist kibbutz at the time). I also learned, however, about the contempt and racism many Jews exhibited towards Palestinians and other Arabs.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...jewish-and-banned-from-israel-for-my-activism

Theres a lot in Israel that protest as well.

 

[luutzu]

Something like 3/4 of Israel are Jews...that's a lot of chutzpah in such a small area!

I think there are plenty of Arab citizens, but identify as something else.

God's chosen people returning to the Promised Land will bring out plenty of chutzpah. Being permitted to carry automatic sub machine guns around also help.

 

[luutzu]

They are being bought out. Jews buy land or houses in contested areas (I think they het paid by the state) They keep buying till they own the whole area.

I don't know for certain but I don't think they buy it from the Palestinians. Buy it from the state of Israel.

Saw some years back one way this is done...

So illegal Israeli settlers would move to some Palestinian's land and camp there in their caravan/trailer. For safety and security, the IDF must then station there to protect their people.

One good way to protect people is to create a buffer zone where no Palestinian could step on. If the zone happen to be Palestinian farmland or home, tough titties... security first.

Then the Palestinian can either go complaint to someone who cares... in the meantime the land is left vacant.

Then, using some old Ottoman Imperial code regarding vacant/abandoned land... the Israeli took over. Waste not, want not.

Rinse, repeat and soon enough you get yourself a suburb or two. Get the Evangelical idiots around the world to help fund it and done.

If the Palestinian cry or whinge about it, you tell them to be quiet. If they get violent you literally go mow down their house, kick them off the land and get a bonus.

 

[moXJO]

Those maps and how they are presented are bs as well.

 

[luutzu]

Theres a lot in Israel that protest as well.

There are, but not a lot. At least not from the footage of protests I saw in the last operation 2014 [?].

The people of Israeli are being played pretty well by their own gov't.

An example given by Finkelstein some years back was that when Israel massacre "Hamas" in Gaza and rockets/missiles were fired back into Israel. Those rockets rarely made it pass the buffer and farm land on Israel.

But the state security apparatus turn on bomb siren. Doing it throughout the day... with each siren forcing people to rush into bomb shelters all across the country.

There was an elderly lady with heart problem getting a stroke from one of those alarms. Guess who killed her? Hamas did.

But of course now and then you get a real terrorist attack to confirm all the alarms.

 

[luutzu]

Look up the Persian/arab relationship. There is a massive amount of history. To borrow from someone else:

1. Arab invasion of Iran in the 7th century which lasted for two centuries.
2. Iraqi invasion of Iran by the Saddam Hussein.
3. Saudi Arabia's policy on spending millions of money to change the name of Persian Gulf.
4. UAE's policy on claiming Iranian islands in the Persian Gulf.

And thats just a start.
They are also the wrong kind of Muslims according to other Muslims.

So they're an Islamic, Brown, version of Europe?

I was referring to more recent history of Iran - Post WWII.

Iran was a secular, democratic state after the Poms pack their bags. But its then president got too greedy and wanted more royalty from the country's oil. So he could use it on his people and build stuff for the country.

The Poms, and BP, gave Eisenhower a call and soon operation Ajax return the Shah back to Iran. The good oil then keep flowing West, at very reasonable prices.

Then the Islamic Revolution overthrew the Shah, thereby removing one of the main pillar, as John Pilger quoted some AMerican planner as saying of Iran... removing a pillar of that Arab fascade with American imperialism.

Decades of sanctions still haven't completely crippled the Iranians. They're getting closer to the Russian and Chinese... hence the nuclear treaty that Trump just pulled out of.

 

[luutzu]

Those maps and how they are presented are bs as well.

I'd probably ignore a few of the guy's comments and opinions, but even this "neutral" video show where the settlements are.

 

[wayneL]

Im sure you guys have a similar map of Australia.

Hypocrites.

 

[SirRumpole]

Im sure you guys have a similar map of Australia.

Hypocrites.

Non sequitor.

 

[grah33]

Rinse, repeat and soon enough you get yourself a suburb or two. Get the Evangelical idiots around the world to help fund it and done.
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The Evangelicals and Trump /Republicans have this kind of religious view, which isn't actually universal to Christianity (just there view). It doesn't make sense when you think about it. Why would they greatly favor Jewish people when Jewish people tend not to be much impressed with Christ (to say the least). Other Christian groups such as the more traditional denominations (and Vatican) may see the right of both groups to be there but certainly condemn Israel's continuing expansion. These Zionist following Republican Christians obviously feel a connection to the Old Testament as do all Christians but this kind of thinking is the Old Testament way of thinking, so it doesn't really make sense for them to have this view.
“love your enemies” might help them in figuring out what is the best position which is consistent with their religion, that they might prefer to take...

 

[grah33]

Im sure you guys have a similar map of Australia.

Hypocrites.

Australia has already been conquered. The Palestinians are not yet conquered , but in the process of being conquered

 

[basilio]

Roger Waters nailed it on what has happened in the last 70 years between Israel and the Palestinians.


https://www.thenation.com/article/after-latest-incident-israels-future-fifa-uncertain/

 

[bellenuit]

The Evangelicals and Trump /Republicans have this kind of religious view, which isn't actually universal to Christianity (just there view). It doesn't make sense when you think about it. Why would they greatly favor Jewish people when Jewish people tend not to be much impressed with Christ (to say the least).

It's not that they are favouring Jews over Arabs because of any particular liking for the Jews. It is because they believe that the Jews taking over Palestine fulfils some Biblical prophesy that requires it to happen before the 2nd coming and End Times I think. I don't have time to look it up now, but this link (which I haven't had time to fully read) explains it a bit.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ng-end-times-prophecy/?utm_term=.1e93b24a9695