Israel committing Genocide in Gaza

[JohnDe]

Don't drones have 4k video? why is the resolution so low? That could be CGI or an actor in a hollywood scene or really anyone anywhere. We got better videos for Sadam and Gaddafi.

I found it interesting this morning about the videos from all these media websites that claim their "experts" have verified the video as being real meanwhile we struggle when there's a Taylor Swift or Trump video to figure out if they're real or fake. There is absolutely 0% chance of anyone being able to verify the identity of the guy in that video.

I don't doubt the guy is dead but It doesn't really matter. All these guys took over from the last group of guys that Israel killed. Now the next group will takeover. And the little kids who the IDF haven't killed will takeover from that group when Israel kills them in 20 years. Israel right or wrong has solidified another generation of terrorist/freedom fighters who grew up seeing their family and friends blown up, land stolen illegally, and buildings bombed. That area is in for another 40+ years of problems. The Palestinian youth are not learning that firing rockets from their grandmothers living room is a bad idea. All they're learning is to hate Israel. This cycle is never going to stop.

here you go -

Hamas mourns Sinwar, vows no hostage release until war ends​

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Hamas has vowed it will not release the hostages it seized during its October 7 attack on Israel until the Gaza war ends, as it mourned the death of its leader Yahya Sinwar.​

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The killing of Sinwar, the mastermind of the deadliest attack in Israeli history, had raised hopes of a turning point in the war, including for families of the Israeli hostages and Gazans enduring a dire humanitarian crisis.​

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Turkey’s foreign minister on Friday offered his “condolences” to Hamas officials at a meeting in Istanbul following the death of Sinwar.​

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Hakan Fidan “received the president of the Hamas Shura Council Mohammed Ismail Darwish and members of the political bureau” to whom “he presented his condolences for the martyr Yahya Sinwar,” the ministry said in a statement.ach/js/sbkIran, Hezbollah, Afghanistan’s Taliban government and Yemen’s Houthi rebels all mourned the death of Sinwar, vowing continued support for their Palestinian ally Hamas.​

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At a demonstration in Yemen’s capital Sanaa, resident Mutahhar al-Khatib said Sinwar’s death “was shocking news”.​

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“But if Sinwar is martyred, there will be 10 more in his place,” he said. The Palestine Liberation Organization also expressed its condolences over the “martyrdom of the great national leader Yahya Sinwar”.​

Supporters of Yemen's Houthis gather with pictures of Hamas slain leader Yahya Sinwar during a rally held on Friday in the Houthi-controlled capital Sanaa. Picture: Mohammed Huwais / AFP

 

[SirRumpole]

here you go -

Hamas mourns Sinwar, vows no hostage release until war ends​

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Hamas has vowed it will not release the hostages it seized during its October 7 attack on Israel until the Gaza war ends, as it mourned the death of its leader Yahya Sinwar.​

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The killing of Sinwar, the mastermind of the deadliest attack in Israeli history, had raised hopes of a turning point in the war, including for families of the Israeli hostages and Gazans enduring a dire humanitarian crisis.​

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Turkey’s foreign minister on Friday offered his “condolences” to Hamas officials at a meeting in Istanbul following the death of Sinwar.​

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Hakan Fidan “received the president of the Hamas Shura Council Mohammed Ismail Darwish and members of the political bureau” to whom “he presented his condolences for the martyr Yahya Sinwar,” the ministry said in a statement.ach/js/sbkIran, Hezbollah, Afghanistan’s Taliban government and Yemen’s Houthi rebels all mourned the death of Sinwar, vowing continued support for their Palestinian ally Hamas.​

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At a demonstration in Yemen’s capital Sanaa, resident Mutahhar al-Khatib said Sinwar’s death “was shocking news”.​

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“But if Sinwar is martyred, there will be 10 more in his place,” he said. The Palestine Liberation Organization also expressed its condolences over the “martyrdom of the great national leader Yahya Sinwar”.​

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Supporters of Yemen's Houthis gather with pictures of Hamas slain leader Yahya Sinwar during a rally held on Friday in the Houthi-controlled capital Sanaa. Picture: Mohammed Huwais / AFP

What is that supposed to prove?

It only shows more hostility generated against Israel and more terrorists being made.

If these terrorists start operating against Israel's 'friends' around the world, all the West will be dragged into a conflict that has nothing to do with us.

 

[JohnDe]

What is that supposed to prove?

It only shows more hostility generated against Israel and more terrorists being made.

If these terrorists start operating against Israel's 'friends' around the world, all the West will be dragged into a conflict that has nothing to do with us.

That sounds like Chamberlains view in 1938, where did that get the world?

Chamberlain and Hitler 1938 - The National Archives

After the First World War, the map of Europe was re-drawn and several new countries were formed.

www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

 

[JohnDe]

It was Sinwar who, back in 2021, began actively planning the October 7 massacre of 1200 Israelis. As the Hamas chief in Gaza, he was a hardliner who won an internal battle against more moderate voices within Hamas to guide the group towards violence rather than negotiation.​

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He told his fellow terror-sponsor Iran that he believed a major attack by Hamas on Israel would lead to the demise of the Jewish state within two years.​

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Central to Sinwar’s brutal calculation was that Israel would respond with deadly force to any attack by Hamas and that the highly urbanised nature of Gaza would guarantee Israel’s war on Hamas also would kill tens of thousands of civilians, staining Israel’s reputation around the world.​

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Sinwar did not care about the lives or the future of Palestinians living in Gaza and was happy to see them sacrificed to realise his long-term ambition of destroying Israel.​

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But he died having failed abysmally in his aims. A year after Sinwar’s massacre, all he achieved was to damage Israel’s international reputation and spark an ugly revival of anti-Semitism in the West, including in Australia.​

At a rally in Gaza City in 2021, Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar holds up a Kalashnikov-wielding child of an Al-Qassam Brigades fighter killed in fighting with Israel. Picture: AFP

Yet history will record Sinwar as having done more to set back the cause of the Palestinian people and their search for a Palestinian state than anyone this century.​

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He died having overseen the almost complete destruction of his beloved Hamas as a viable fighting force. This broken group can never again mount a major terror assault on Israel or threaten Israel’s existence. Its military future is limited to that of a guerrilla force, capable of small scale hit-and-run attacks against any occupying Israeli forces but nothing more.​

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Politically, Sinwar’s actions have ensured that Hamas will never again govern Gaza as it did until October 7. And it will never again play a political role in helping determine outcomes in the West Bank, where the corrupt Palestinian Authority rules.​

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Sinwar’s miscalculations do not end in Gaza. Hamas’s massacre led Hezbollah in Lebanon to make the foolish decision to launch a continuous low-grade war against northern Israel in solidarity with Hamas.​

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That tactic has, quite literally, blown up in Hezbollah’s face.​

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The Iranian-sponsored terror group is on the back foot, having provoked an Israeli ground invasion and a ferocious Israeli assault on its leadership.​

 

[Dona Ferentes]

The Israelis have identified the remains by dental, fingerprints and DNA. They had him in captivity for like decades and did brain surgery on him for a tumour so they had bio-samples.
They released him with many other imprisoned terrorists in exchange for one 20-something year old soldier that Hamas had kidnapped.

They have a plan to administer Gaza in perpetuity I believe. The Gazans have amply demonstrated that they will only support bloodthirsty fanatics and require conservatorship style governance. They should prosper under Israel.

They will keep taking out new rabid political leaders whack-a-mole style who threaten the citizens of Israel with extermination. They've had a gutfull of people like you, sitting in comfy homes and offices in the West, who've never had a relative or friend raped and murdered, arguing that israel should be the only state that does not go to war when relentlessly attacked, threatened and had planned atrocities committed against it. Or when it does, it must somehow avoid killing any civilians - like no state ever. All your arguments are facile.

I took his ramblings as a positive..
- there's no genocide. (thanks, btw, to all the hamas parrots) as "new kids" will take over

 

[rederob]

Apologists for genocide are low on the spectrum of morality.
It becomes a matter of history as to who is being wiped out as the pricipal consideration relates only to the act and those responsible. Nations aiding and abetting, like Australia, the UK and USA, will also be judged - like Germany - to be on the wrong side of history.
Those in denial of what is occurring in Gaza in front of our eyes every day now are as foolish as those who with full knowledge chose to elect, inter alia, a convicted felon, adjudged rapist, insurrectionist, fear-mongering racisist, and anti science conspiracist, who also wants to remove the rights of women to control what happens to their body by criminalising such behaviour!
For more detail on Israel's actions, here's the UN's Special Rapporteur

 

[Macquack]

International Criminal Court issues arrest warrants for Benjamin Netanyahu, Yoav Gallant and Mohammed Deif​

International Criminal Court issues arrest warrant for Israeli PM

The International Criminal Court has also issued arrest warrants for Israel's former defence minister Yoav Gallant and senior Hamas official Mohammed Deif.

www.abc.net.au

"The warrants are for alleged crimes against humanity and war crimes committed during the Israel-Gaza war.

The ICC said there were reasonable grounds to believe Mr Netanyahu and Mr Gallant "bear responsibility for … the war crime of starvation as a method of warfare; and the crimes against humanity of murder, persecution, and other inhumane acts."

Rot in hell Netanyahu.

 

[SirRumpole]

International Criminal Court issues arrest warrants for Benjamin Netanyahu, Yoav Gallant and Mohammed Deif​

International Criminal Court issues arrest warrant for Israeli PM

The International Criminal Court has also issued arrest warrants for Israel's former defence minister Yoav Gallant and senior Hamas official Mohammed Deif.

www.abc.net.au

"The warrants are for alleged crimes against humanity and war crimes committed during the Israel-Gaza war.

The ICC said there were reasonable grounds to believe Mr Netanyahu and Mr Gallant "bear responsibility for … the war crime of starvation as a method of warfare; and the crimes against humanity of murder, persecution, and other inhumane acts."

Rot in hell Netanyahu.

Trump will probably shake his hand at some time.

 

[finicky]

Who elected them? Another part of the the world government apparatus and the overlordship of lawyers. Law is one of the most undemanding degrees and professions. Where were they before when Hamas was committing atrocities against Israel? Why don't they indict Putin or Xi Jinping? Is it because Israel is always the easy target? Hamas is virtually destroyed and now they indict them to show their equal handedness? It's none if their business in their f'g robes and mansions safe from the consequences of the conflict.

 

[JohnDe]

Apologists for genocide are low on the spectrum of morality.
It becomes a matter of history as to who is being wiped out as the pricipal consideration relates only to the act and those responsible. Nations aiding and abetting, like Australia, the UK and USA, will also be judged - like Germany - to be on the wrong side of history.
Those in denial of what is occurring in Gaza in front of our eyes every day now are as foolish as those who with full knowledge chose to elect, inter alia, a convicted felon, adjudged rapist, insurrectionist, fear-mongering racisist, and anti science conspiracist, who also wants to remove the rights of women to control what happens to their body by criminalising such behaviour!
For more detail on Israel's actions, here's the UN's Special Rapporteur

Maybe you should contact Justice Michael Lee, and have a discussion.

In Justice Lee’s powerful address, delivered the night after a car was torched and buildings were vandalised with horrendous anti-Semitic slurs in Sydney’s eastern suburbs, Justice Lee said some Australians do not understand the “complex narrative” of the Middle East conflict and instead prefer “historically flawed” reports from parts of the media.​

In an extraordinary and deeply personal speech, Federal Court judge Michael Lee says the “growth and mainstreaming” of anti-Semitic behaviour stemming from the October 7, 2023 massacres must be tackled, and declared that any attack on the Jewish community is an “attack upon my wife and my children”.

In Justice Lee’s powerful address, delivered the night after a car was torched and buildings were vandalised with horrendous anti-Semitic slurs in Sydney’s eastern suburbs, Justice Lee said some Australians do not understand the “complex narrative” of the Middle East conflict and instead prefer “historically flawed” reports from parts of the media.

Anthony Albanese condemned the attacks in Woollahra, but Jewish leaders and former prime minister John Howard said Labor’s “inaction’ on anti-Semitism was partly to blame for the major escalation in violence.

In his speech, Justice Lee praised Western Sydney University for showing strong leadership when campuses were overrun with pro-Palestine encampments this year, but said Australian institutions were producing future leaders who have a “sense of self-righteousness” exacerbated by a “lack of a traditional Western historical education”.

Reflecting on behalf of he and wife Penny – the daughter of former NSW ombudsman and prominent Jewish lawyer David Landa – Justice Lee said he was struck by a “discomforting” reality after Hamas invaded southern Israel.

“The revelation for both of us, since October 7, is that in our different ways, and from our different perspectives, the stark and discomforting realisation that despite living our whole lives in this country, and thinking we knew it so well, we do not now recognise an aspect of it,” he said, speaking to the Jewish House Gala Dinner.

Justice Michael Lee speaking at the Jewish House Gala Dinner. Picture: Britta Campion

“Connected to this was the realisation that some people we thought we knew well did not understand, or did not want to understand, a more complex narrative than that presented by simplistic and historically flawed declamations on social and some other media; nor were they empathetic to the trauma the events of last year and its consequences have occasioned.

“Whether this appreciation is a result, Saul-like, of scales falling from our eyes or a profound shift in the culture might be thought, at least on one level, to be of little moment. But upon reflection it does matter because the growth and mainstreaming of anti-Semitism we have all seen emerge over the last 13 months must be tackled, but understanding how it is to be tackled requires some understanding of how we got to where we are.”

Justice Lee, a judge of the Federal Court since 2017, rose to prominence during the high-profile defamation case between Bruce Lehrmann and Network 10, and has become well known for his quick wit and sharp turn of phrase. Speaking on Thursday night in a personal capacity, he told the crowd he was introduced to “the richness of the Jewish lived experience through my wife’s family”. “Twelve years ago, I gave a speech in the function room behind Temple Emmanuel. I remarked that when I was a boy learning public speaking at a Marist Brothers school, I was confident that there were a number of opening words of a speech that I would never utter,” he said.

“One form of opening words was: ‘I proudly accept your nomination for President of the United States’; another, equally unlikely, were the words I opened with on that occasion, being: ‘Welcome to my son’s bar mitzvah’.”

He said there had been a “soft revolution” in values over the past 50 years within “numerous institutions, including universities, unions, the arts, and schools”.

“In universities, it can be seen in courses focused on what is described as ‘critical legal studies’ but is most evident in the social science, history and education faculties,” he said, adding that it is “unsurprising” students “now seem to use school and university to proclaim, rather than to learn”.

His comments come after universities – including Deakin University, Melbourne University and the Australian National University – were overrun with pro-Palestine protests earlier this year, with many playing host to weeks-long encampments.

In September, University of Sydney vice-chancellor Mark Scott apologised for the “unacceptable” anti-Semitism experienced by Jewish staff, students and alumni during an eight-week campus protest.

Justice Lee said the Jewish community and “non-Jews of goodwill” must attempt to effectively communicate with a generation of people exposed to institutions that are “producing an apparently significant number of future leaders whose lack of a traditional Western historical education is matched by their sense of self-righteousness and their willingness to spout slogans”.

“This is a worrying combination, further exacerbated by access to a balkanised ‘legacy’ media and social media, resulting in preconceived notions being re-enforced by the like-minded,” he said, adding “good leadership” at universities can have an impact when it comes to “institutional decay and the diminished intellectual rigour of many courses”.

“I am on the board of an institute within the Western Sydney University,” he said. “In contrast to other universities, and despite having the largest Muslim population of any university in Australia, I was pleased to see it had had no encampments, and the leadership of the university spoke out promptly and firmly against anti-Semitic speech.”

Justice Lee concluded his address by echoing the words of his wife’s late grandfather, former NSW housing minister Abe Landa, when speaking to the NSW Legislative Assembly in 1946. “‘I shall treat any attack on the Jews as an attack upon my wife and my children’,” he said. “Although, unlike Abe, I cannot say I spring from your faith, over the sweep of almost 80 years, I can say I feel exactly the same way.”

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/antisemitism-an-attack-on-my-wife-and-children-judge-michael-lee/news-story/faca8e554f73906c1a1080ca8d9d176b

 

[Logique2]

Regarding the OP,
I would never have believed that ASF General Chat could sink so low.
The Gaza war is over tomorrow - if Hamas releases the Israeli hostages.

If ASF is hosting this kind of OP hate speech, I'm heading for the exit.

If poster frugal.rock had any decency, she would resign from ASF.

Please cancel my membership Joe - it's me or frugal.

In parting, my best to decent posters like Wayne and sptrawler.

 

[JohnDe]

I would never have believed that ASF General Chat could sink this low.

The Gaza war is over tomorrow, if Hamas releases the Israeli hostages.

If ASF is hosting this kind of hate speech, I'm heading for the exit.

Please cancel my membership Joe.

Stick around Logique, better that the rational people hang around and share rational thoughts.

 

[JohnDe]

"how will the useful fools in the West who saw Palestinians as natural allies of our Aborigines, of homosexuals worldwide and to prosperous middle class Western university students, explain their embrace of a neo-Nazi, anti-Semitic, Islamist death cult?"

Good question.

Western journalists, academics and politicians have got much of their analysis of Israel wrong since the October 7 massacre last year.​

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Journalists who had no clue the Palestinians had been offered and had rejected a two-state solution many times warned the Middle East would be engulfed by a war Israel could not win when Hezbollah finally attacked.​

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They were utterly wrong. Just as tiny Israel beat its Arab attackers in 1948, 1967 and 1973 it has destroyed Hamas in Gaza and humiliated Hezbollah in only a couple of months of limited action inside Lebanon.​

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Remember, Trump formally proposed a two-state solution in 2020. His appointment of hardline Israel backer Mike Huckabee as ambassador is likely a bargaining chip.​

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Should such a scenario play out, how will the useful fools in the West who saw Palestinians as natural allies of our Aborigines, of homosexuals worldwide and to prosperous middle class Western university students, explain their embrace of a neo-Nazi, anti-Semitic, Islamist death cult?​

How pundits got the Israel war so wrong

Western journalists, academics and politicians have got much of their analysis of Israel wrong since the October 7 massacre last year.

Academics here who have received public grants have even denied video evidence of Hamas’s massacre of 1200 innocent women, children and old people in their homes and at a dance party for peace that Sabbath morning.

Most worrying in media terms was the easy way commentary slipped into automatic acceptance of claims by Palestinian officials, all employed by Hamas, and automatic rejection of evidence from the Israel Defence Forces, operated by a democratically elected government.

This started on October 17, only 10 days after the massacre, with media claims Israel had attacked the Al-Ahli Arab Hospital killing 500 innocents.

In fact, a misfired rocket in the hospital car park launched by Palestinian Islamic Jihad, a militant group based in Gaza, killed fewer than 50.

Journalists who had no clue the Palestinians had been offered and had rejected a two-state solution many times warned the Middle East would be engulfed by a war Israel could not win when Hezbollah finally attacked.

They were utterly wrong. Just as tiny Israel beat its Arab attackers in 1948, 1967 and 1973 it has destroyed Hamas in Gaza and humiliated Hezbollah in only a couple of months of limited action inside Lebanon.

It has also destroyed much of Iran’s missile attack capability and most of its air defences.

Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is still threatening retaliation against the “Zionist Satan”, and various former generals still appear regularly on Iranian TV spouting nonsense taken straight from the discredited tsarist fraud, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. But Iran is too weak to send its own forces into a ground war.

Iran’s economy is soft. With 85 million people and enormous oil deposits, its GDP is less than Israel’s and its citizens are restless for the sort of freedom they once enjoyed under the Shah of Persia.

Western feminist intellectuals and journalists don’t stand with their brave sisters marching in Iran’s “Woman Life Freedom” movement for the right to appear in public without the veil, just as they refused to speak up for the young women raped and murdered at the Nova music festival.

Syria’s President Bashar al-Assad can barely defend his country from the Islamists who have taken control of the city of Aleppo (near Russia’s only naval access to the Mediterranean). His Iranian and Russian allies are overstretched.

Russian interest rates sit above 20 per cent and a quarter of its economy is now committed to the war effort in Ukraine. With 150 million people, its GDP is about the same as Australia’s.

The Axis of Resistance has been humiliated by a country a tenth the size of Victoria with only 11 million people. Strength has worked in Israel’s favour but President Joe Biden in the US – the world’s richest and most powerful country – has been too weak to stand up to Iran or Russia.

Israel has killed the entire Hezbollah leadership in Lebanon. Its Mossad intelligence service eliminated Hamas political leader Ismail Haniyeh in his bed in a military guesthouse in central Tehran on July 31 after he and Khamenei attended the inauguration of new Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian.

Israel’s intelligence services, pilloried for not foreseeing the Iranian-inspired October 7 “Al Aqsa flood”, booby-trapped Hezbollah fighters’ mobile pagers which exploded in their pants on September 18. The western media exploded with outrage at the tactic – the kind of outrage it failed to show on October 7 last year.

Nor have most journalists shown the slightest concern that Hezbollah had been rocketing civilian communities across northern Israel for more than a year, forcing 60,000 people to flee their homes for shelter in the south.

President Donald Trump’s election could end this war, give Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu a much-needed political victory, force Iran back into its box in the face of the potential reintroduction of oil sanctions Trump imposed in 2019, and rejuvenate the Abraham Accords – separate bilateral arrangements signed in 2020 between Israel and Bahrain, and Israel and the UAE, under Trump’s auspices.

It could also end the needless suffering of Palestinians used by Hamas fighters hiding in tunnels under schools and hospitals to twist western opinion against Israel.

The Gulf Co-operation Council annual summit in Kuwait on December 1 stood by its usual criticisms of Israel but reiterated a 2022 financial offer to Lebanon, called on Iran to stop arming Syrian militias and offered Assad aid conditional on his abandonment of Iran and expulsion of Hezbollah.

Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman wants peace in Gaza and a two- state solution.

The Washington Institute for Near East Peace on December 2 published a piece by leading US former bureaucrats Dennis Ross and Stuart Eizenstat under the headline “How to end the War in Gaza: Lessons from Lebanon”.

They write: “The first lesson is the crucial importance of backing diplomacy with decisive military power and accurate intelligence.”

Negotiations for a deal with Hezbollah worked “because Israel had clear, limited and achievable political objectives”.

They say Israel, having achieved most of its objectives in Gaza, “must avoid either a vacuum, in which Hamas could re-emerge, or an indefinite stay, which would guarantee an insurgency”.

“The most viable alternative is a mixed interim administration. The UAE is prepared to be part of a stabilisation force in Gaza, and Egypt, Morocco, Jordan and Bahrain might also participate,” Ross and Eizenstat write.

“President-elect Donald Trump has great credibility with the Israeli government, and with the Gulf States, including Saudi Arabia.

“Peace in Gaza would … create an opportunity for Trump to expand the Abraham Accords to include normalisation of ties between Israel and Saudi Arabia.”

While neither country was ready today, if Trump moved quickly, “a Saudi-Israeli breakthrough would transform the Middle East”.

This is exactly the outcome Iran feared when it gave Hamas the green light for the October 7 attacks.

And Trump is moving fast. The Jerusalem Post on December 4 reported his Middle East adviser Massad Boulos confirming what Trump had said on social media: “The president believes that the hostages must be released immediately and there must be no further delay.”

The Jerusalem Post’s Daniel Goldman on December 1 suggested whatever the extreme right of Netanyahu’s government is saying about annexing Judea and Samaria, a broad Middle East coalition building on the Abraham Accords would be the best way for Netanyahu and Trump to secure their places in history.

Remember, Trump formally proposed a two-state solution in 2020. His appointment of hardline Israel backer Mike Huckabee as ambassador is likely a bargaining chip.

Should such a scenario play out, how will the useful fools in the West who saw Palestinians as natural allies of our Aborigines, of homosexuals worldwide and to prosperous middle class Western university students, explain their embrace of a neo-Nazi, anti-Semitic, Islamist death cult?

How will history judge Prime Minister Anthony Albanese and Foreign Minister Penny Wong for selling out Labor’s 50-year relationship with Israel for a few Muslim votes in the outer suburbs of Sydney and Melbourne?

 

[JohnDe]

The Israeli government is committing genocide in Gaza.

Let's make no bones about it.

Under the guise of the attempted eradication of Hamas, they are systematically destroying Gazan homes, livelihoods and lives.

Death, destruction, displacement, starvation, contempt and revenge is being dished out on innocent children and their families.

Israel is actively thwarting attempts by the international community to provide humanitarian aid.

This is a holocaust of the Gazan people's being committed by people who should know better.

Is this such a distorted distopian world where this is allowed to continue?
Netanyahu needs to be brought before the courts.

Some in the international community are willing to call it what it is- GENOCIDE.

The professional propaganda put out by Israel is astounding.
The Australian government stopped humanitarian aid on the whim of an accusation by Israel.

Israeli "people" blockaded the only entry to Gaza to stop humanitarian aid trucks from entering. The Israeli forces did not stop these "people".
Were they actually engaged to stop aid trucks?

Meanwhile, arguably nearly 200 aid workers have been killed. Intentionally or not, tragic "accidents" have been killing those innocent and willing to help with humanitarian aid.

Are the Israeli forces so inept?
They have been trained by the US!

It all stinks of ulterior motives and cover ups and industries of war.

I guess I will be labelled as anti Semitic now.
I feel sorry for the Israeli people who's government and forces are committing this atrocity against the majorities will.

It's gone way way beyond acceptable revenge on Hamas.
Meanwhile, hostages are suffering and aren't, and haven't been, the focus of efforts for quite a while now.

 

[wayneL]

I posted this elsewhere on this forum also, it is very good interview and highly recommended from me

 

[Joe Blow]

Regarding the OP,
I would never have believed that ASF General Chat could sink so low.
The Gaza war is over tomorrow - if Hamas releases the Israeli hostages.

If ASF is hosting this kind of OP hate speech, I'm heading for the exit.

If poster frugal.rock had any decency, she would resign from ASF.

Please cancel my membership Joe - it's me or frugal.

In parting, my best to decent posters like Wayne and sptrawler.

I didn't see this until now.

I think "hate speech" is a little strong. It is a strongly worded polemic that is clearly unapologetic. Whether or not you agree with it, I don't believe it is over the line.

Those who disagree should post in reply, presenting their own perspectives and any evidence in favour of their positions.

You can't have a serious discussion about a controversial topic like this without both sides being presented forcefully. I think it is too much to expect emotion not to creep into people's posts given the nature of the topic, which is very divisive and evokes strong feelings on both sides.

But it is possible to discuss any topic rationally and intelligently, and that is what I would like to see in this thread.