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I guess my first message missed some of you. "Oil prices"

Well let’s do as you all seem to do here, that is talk about any thing other than share prices

As for killing the innocents, just go for it!!!!!

We did, I mean the "western world"
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  • The Germans bombed London “do you think no innocents were killed or little boys"
  • The English and Australians bombed Berlin and other German cities “do you
    Think no innocents were killed or little boys"
  • The Japanese bombed pearl harbour “do you think no innocents were killed or little boys"
  • The Americans used a two bloody big ones (atomic) to bomb two Japanese cities “do you think no innocents were killed or little boys"
I guess we made it illegal or wrong after we done it.
Conquering is and occupying is what it is..... And their will always be winners and losers...
"Have we really forgotten for thousands upon thousands of years all the celebrated greats from Normandy, Asia, Europe, Arab nations and Africa did conquered, slaughtered, raped, burned, behead enslave and pillage mostly everything in their path.

Without this happening I certainly wouldn’t be here..... As my Danish ancestors done a bit of conquering themselves, and I seriously would have hated history lessons at school if it didn’t have the blood and guts....

So come on Israel get the hell in there and create some more history

I don’t think you Saudi’s should be spectators either, nor should the Iranians or the Egyptians you need to support you Arab brothers ....... come go for it!!!
You are all just creating history that’s all"

Just a thought, don t we occupy someone elses land here in Australia or was Free and vacant when the English and the Dutch found it,
**** I though those other natives just said here have it, use as you wish...LOL

Just another thought, do really think even though I occupy my little piece if my neighbour kept throwing rocks over my fence I would throw boulders back. And if that didn’t stop him wouldn’t i go over their and bash the crap out of him.

Then he would call in his mates to teach me a lesson or two...

It Sounds like some where else too doesnt it------ Israel and Gaza or Cronulla and or Punchbowl

again this leads me back the oil price,

This in recent months has bombed. However I had forecast the a slowly advancing price for 2009
But now as it has been raped, sieged and pillaged I can see it surging like a shot out of gun starting with a big bang. We should see it rocket back to above the pre bombing price.

Watch them go ballistic...
Go you good thing!!! I new you guy's could help me make money

Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A million Barrels that is
 
At least 700 Palestinians have died in the conflict and 3,000 have been wounded,

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aBZS1LMKsjgE&refer=home

israel, keep going you will kill everybody and then you can expand the size of the state of isreal........
more land, equals more space to fill with jews, more jews together, will inturn require more land space, which country is next ?

WHILE
the World watches and does nothing !

sick, bloody sick World we live in !
 
rowie said:
Have you considered that the palestinians are not filled with blind hatred rather are fighting against their continued oppression and occupation?
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That's just it...hamas is hateful. They have stated time and time again they will not have peace with israel and they want to rid the world of them. How can you argue that anyone who wants to rid the world of a people is not hateful?

Many people on here are talking about how hamas is only responding, but they also initiate a hell of a lot of crap. A fair argument could be said that they are oppressed because the the crap they start.

Israel is not wholly innocent in these wars, but do you honestly believe that if hamas had the ability to do to israel what israel is doing to palastine, with hamas' stated goals, they wouldn't?

Maybe, just maybe if hamas stated they want peace and are willing to live side by side with israel, things could change.
 
gordon2007, I am in complete agreement, you just put it better than I can. How anyone can claim absolute right and wrong for either side escapes me.
 
This was in this mornings Times:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article5478395.ece

From The Times
January 9, 2009
Red Cross accuses Israel of 'unacceptable' conduct in Gaza
Martin Fletcher and Azmi Keshawi

For four days Red Cross officials pressed the Israeli military for access to bomb-shattered homes in the Zaytun neighbourhood of Gaza City. Finally Israel promised safe passage with the help of a Red Cross rescue team and four ambulances from the Palestine Red Crescent Society. What they found exceeded their worst fears.

In one house they discovered four small children - alive but terrified, emaciated and too weak to stand – lying on mattresses next to 12 corpses including those of their mothers. In a second house they found three dead bodies. In a third they found 15 survivors of the Israeli bombardment, several of them wounded.

“I never expected to see such a horrifying scene. I never saw anything like it in my life,” Abed el-Aziz Abu Aisha, 22, told The Times. “It was like a very ugly scene from a horror movie.”

They had to drag the injured to the ambulances in a cart because barriers erected by the Israeli army made it impossible to bring the vehicles close enough. The rescuers evacuated 18 of the wounded and 12 others who were suffering from exhaustion. They took away two corpses and planned to return later to fetch 13 others.
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The International Committee of the Red Cross did not mince its words. In an unusually blunt public statement yesterday.................
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I think modern day people are a little desensitised to conflict, part of our long and bloodied history as an animal species.

The Red Cross staff upset at seeing a few emaciated people? A couple of dead bodies?


Hmm, perhaps I've seen too much.. :(
 
kennas said:
I think modern day people are a little desensitised to conflict, part of our long and bloodied history as an animal species.

The Red Cross staff upset at seeing a few emaciated people? A couple of dead bodies?


Hmm, perhaps I've seen too much.. :(
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:(

One would hope that we humans would become a bit more enlightened as we go along though. Alas, no.
 
wayneL said:
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One would hope that we humans would become a bit more enlightened as we go along though. Alas, no.
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I can't see that we've developed in any way over at least the past 3000 years in this regard.

Cripes, Dafur puts this little tit for tat into a bed time story and it's still going on. :confused:

Oh, that's just Africa, no matter.

What I'm extremely concerned about is what might pop up in the next 20 years as China, India and Russia start seriously butting heads. Over and above this Arab Islam/West thingy.
 
kennas said:
:eek: Geeesh!

How can a conventional Army beat that?

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They can't without inflicting heavy civilian casualties - that is the beauty of guerilla warfare for a group like Hamas. The conventional army might win the daily battle but they will always lose the war especially now with the modern media's blood lust.

This is how under-manned, out-gunned militia forces have been bringing conventional armies to their knees since the Boer War. Off course, the Brits won that war but only after torching the local farms and creating historys' first concentration camps. In modern day terminology, these are called refugee camps.
 
seems like the narrator is an arab christian and he lays a large part of the blame on islam.

he makes a good point - the palestinians want people to be outraged about the deaths of their children, yet they train their children hate and kill. as the narrator pointed out, muslims are among the worlds greatest hyprocrites when it comes to killing, they kill their own while chanting "god is great", they train their children to kill and martyr themselves, they dance in the streets cheering the deaths on innocent civilians in 9/11, yet when they are attacked they scream in outrage at the injustice done to them.
 
I'm not supporting that horribleness in the video, obviously, and I'm really sceptical of all organised religions with their arbitrary rules etc.

But one thing I don't get about Islam is how extreme it is. I don't want to invite examples of Christian ghastliness past and present, but Islam does seem to be much more extreme. I don't mean this only in a bad way: I watched that doco about Cat Stevens recently and the wonderful work he was doing promoting peace and harmony in the world through...Islam. He seemed genuinely able to speak of the immense beauty and wonder of the religion, that blew him away when he first picked up the book. I can't and I wouldn't want to negate his or anyone else's experience, but how can it be that a book so ridden with anti-semitism and easily made dangerous sentiment (jihad etc. regardless of its true meaning) can also inspire people to the heights?

It's all so...extreme.
 
well look at the foundation of the religion. jesus is well documented as cruising around palestine healing the sick, preaching peace, tolerance, loving thy neighbour and suffering the little children to be brought unto him. mohammed on the other hand rampaged around the middle east killing jews, taking and raping slaves, pillaging trade caravans and having sex with underage girls.

by their works shall ye judge them. why is that so difficult to understand??
 
Point taken, but it's not all bad, in fact, for a great many converts it is mindbendingly powerful and good (African Americans convert in great numbers). What I am saying is how come if it's so bad it can also be so uplifting too? It's a sort of rhetorical question I guess.

Christianity seems to have reached a point of having made its impact without us having to actually be Christian (we all believe the basic message because it's in tune with common sense). C. has therefore all but become irrelevant, since humanists now believe much the same thing. Islam, on the other hand, has to be forced upon most people, unless they are a) political or b) able to respond to beautiful words (which I don't deny exist).

But, you're right, I probably shouldn't be so surprised.
 

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