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repeat after me - ISLAM ISN'T A RACE 
yeah, a culture that routinely practices honour killings is modern and enlightened
right so the rest of the arab world that has on numerous occasions invaded israel with the express purpose of wiping them from the face of the earth, and who fund, equip and train palestinian terrorists don't count as big enemies of israel? i didn't know there was a scale of enemies from "biggest" to "smallest"
why not? i would think from the outside, with the emotion and cultural baggage removed one could have a clearer view of a groups actions without the usual justifications people use to condone murder and terror.
no, its nothing like it at all. christianity doesn't condone "go forth and kill the unbelievers" like islam does. christianity doesn't fund and support organisations who strap bombs to their followers and blow themselves up on crowded buses like islam does.
a heady mix of tribal nationalism and religion are the root causes of these conflicts, and when your religion compels you to exterminate your enemy (as hamas clearly and succinctly states) then there is your eternal, non negotiable justification for continuing the campaign. victory or death, not much scope for peace is there?
yeah well done making your own assumptions up on that high horse rowie. i'll make my point a bit more clearly for you.
yes a large part of the conflict is land and resources, most conflicts come down to that because thats what people fight about. however the justifications for the conflict, the means by which people contine the fight and the spiritual rewards obtained by martyring yourself rest firmly on a religious foundation.
in the mosques and on the street corners, imams admonish the people to fight israel to the death because its what god wants. allah doesn't want peace, allah wants victory and domination, THEN you have your dar es salaam. i remember travelling through southern lebanon seeing exactly this kind of behaviour, public rallies with imams ranting to kill israel blah blah blah and masses of people all getting whipped up into a frenzy. this kind of behaviour does not lend itself for civil discourse or negotiation.
money and materials (like the rockets the palestinians keep lobbing at israel) also come in from neighbouring muslim states, who publicly state their affinity with their muslim brothers and vent the usual fire and brimstone death to israel rhetoric we're getting sick of hearing. although they don't have enough affinity to resettle the palestinians in their own countries because they are more useful where they are as a propaganda tool right?
then we have the suicide bombers. in islam to die as a martyr is rewarded in heaven, so training your children to hate jews and then grow up to blow themselves up is a noble calling. i've seen more than one palestinian mother shed a tear of joy and say how proud she was young mohammed is in heaven after killing a busload of people.
so way to whitewash the entire religious aspect to the conflict, because the fact jews and muslims have been at each others throats over the "holy land" for more than a thousand years couldn't possibly have any bearing on this conflict could it? anyway islam is the religion of peace right? as long as you're a muslim. of the right sect.
rowie said:
yeah, a culture that routinely practices honour killings is modern and enlightened
chops_a_must said:
right so the rest of the arab world that has on numerous occasions invaded israel with the express purpose of wiping them from the face of the earth, and who fund, equip and train palestinian terrorists don't count as big enemies of israel? i didn't know there was a scale of enemies from "biggest" to "smallest"
bushman said:
why not? i would think from the outside, with the emotion and cultural baggage removed one could have a clearer view of a groups actions without the usual justifications people use to condone murder and terror.
bushman said:
no, its nothing like it at all. christianity doesn't condone "go forth and kill the unbelievers" like islam does. christianity doesn't fund and support organisations who strap bombs to their followers and blow themselves up on crowded buses like islam does.
a heady mix of tribal nationalism and religion are the root causes of these conflicts, and when your religion compels you to exterminate your enemy (as hamas clearly and succinctly states) then there is your eternal, non negotiable justification for continuing the campaign. victory or death, not much scope for peace is there?
rowie said:
yeah well done making your own assumptions up on that high horse rowie. i'll make my point a bit more clearly for you.
yes a large part of the conflict is land and resources, most conflicts come down to that because thats what people fight about. however the justifications for the conflict, the means by which people contine the fight and the spiritual rewards obtained by martyring yourself rest firmly on a religious foundation.
in the mosques and on the street corners, imams admonish the people to fight israel to the death because its what god wants. allah doesn't want peace, allah wants victory and domination, THEN you have your dar es salaam. i remember travelling through southern lebanon seeing exactly this kind of behaviour, public rallies with imams ranting to kill israel blah blah blah and masses of people all getting whipped up into a frenzy. this kind of behaviour does not lend itself for civil discourse or negotiation.
money and materials (like the rockets the palestinians keep lobbing at israel) also come in from neighbouring muslim states, who publicly state their affinity with their muslim brothers and vent the usual fire and brimstone death to israel rhetoric we're getting sick of hearing. although they don't have enough affinity to resettle the palestinians in their own countries because they are more useful where they are as a propaganda tool right?
then we have the suicide bombers. in islam to die as a martyr is rewarded in heaven, so training your children to hate jews and then grow up to blow themselves up is a noble calling. i've seen more than one palestinian mother shed a tear of joy and say how proud she was young mohammed is in heaven after killing a busload of people.
so way to whitewash the entire religious aspect to the conflict, because the fact jews and muslims have been at each others throats over the "holy land" for more than a thousand years couldn't possibly have any bearing on this conflict could it? anyway islam is the religion of peace right? as long as you're a muslim. of the right sect.
