Islam: Is it inherently Evil?

[Wysiwyg]

Trump is eccentric but what led him to believe Muslims were a threat to national security. Is it the sheer proliferation of Middle Eastern emigrants or Fed. police information on cells developing within the country. To make a Presidential decree is extreme for a reason if not eccentricity alone.

 

[Value Collector]

Are christians practicing barbarous behaviour in the world today?

Yes, A christian terrorist killed a bunch of muslims in a mosque in Canada just the other day.

African christians burn "Witches" and gays.

 

[Value Collector]

As you may have observed I am not a religious person and believe religion will not be a part of non religious peoples lives. I used to have Jehovah Witnesses knock on the door for a persuasion session but haven't seen them biking around for many years now. There will be ebbs and flows but in the distant future people will come to realise there is no entity looking over them. There is life, death and thinking in between. 'With our thoughts we make the world'. Gautama Buddha.
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I am an atheist also, I think all religions are false, But I believe in religious freedom, because religious freedom is part of a secular society, and protects me from religion, But I am against attacking innocent people based on the actions of others, or trying to tar all people of one category of religion with the same brush.

When it comes to Vegemite I see no probably with them marketing to muslim groups.

 

[Wysiwyg]

Yes, A christian terrorist killed a bunch of muslims in a mosque in Canada just the other day.

African christians burn "Witches" and gays.

I could not find Alexandre Bissonnette being a Christian on my internet search. A Christian being a person who reads the bible, goes to church, doesn't swear or abuse people, has respect for human life.
He was not a Christian from what I have read. Having a French background he may have felt aggrieved by the Charlie Hebdo massacre & terror attacks and as you say tarred all Muslims with the same brush.

 

[SirRumpole]

So basically:

Muslims come.
More Muslims come.
Out number everyone else.
A minority preaches extremist Sharia enforcement and the rest just accept it.
They overthrow the Australian government and change the law.

Any changes?

Nope, you have it to a tee.

 

[Ves]

Nope, you have it to a tee.

It's also possible that increased exposure to far more moderate morality systems such as those in the Western cultures that these people are now living in, will speed up the "modernisation" of their legal and moral systems.

The trend has already started in their own cultures, it's hard to see it reversing. The West industrialized much faster, but the Globalisation of economies, will make sure the trend will be very hard to slow down by the Fundamentalists / Traditionalists over there.

The after-life is a very hard sell when the instant gratification/hedonism of consumerism is available.

I actually see this scenario as much, much more likely.

 

[Tisme]

Nope, you have it to a tee.

how about adding they will turn the place into 7.7 sq kms of indolent filth, squalor and slum....just like back home.

 

[Value Collector]

I could not find Alexandre Bissonnette being a Christian on my internet search.

He described himself as a Christian crusader.

https://discover-the-truth.com/2017...rusader-and-avid-trump-supporter-on-facebook/

A Christian being a person who reads the bible, goes to church, doesn't swear or abuse people, has respect for human life.

Lol, so basically you a simply defining anyone who is not a nice person as being "not christian".

Do you jump through the same hoops to get Islam off the hook like that, I sure a lot of muslims out there don't consider ISIS as real muslims either.

Having a French background he may have felt aggrieved by the Charlie Hebdo massacre & terror attacks and as you say tarred all Muslims with the same brush.

Now it just seems like you are making excuses for this terrorist.

 

[SirRumpole]

It's also possible that increased exposure to far more moderate morality systems such as those in the Western cultures that these people are now living in, will speed up the "modernisation" of their legal and moral systems.

I'd rather not take that chance.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/723548/Islam-divide-civil-war-streets-Britain

 

[Wysiwyg]

Lol, so basically you a simply defining anyone who is not a nice person as being "not christian".

The 'he was a Christian' tag is complete b.s.

Do you jump through the same hoops to get Islam off the hook like that, I sure a lot of muslims out there don't consider ISIS as real muslims either.

If they practice the religion, no matter what branch, they are Muslim. To say they are not real Muslims is a lie.

Now it just seems like you are making excuses for this terrorist.

Didn't we both.

 

[noco]

The 'he was a Christian' tag is complete b.s.
If they practice the religion, no matter what branch, they are Muslim. To say they are not real Muslims is a lie.

Didn't we both.

If you are a Muslim, you would know the Koran backwards......If you are a Muslim you believe in Sharia law.

 

[luutzu]

Perhaps just a ruse to make them look like clean skins?

That's what I thought. But the post doesn't seem to suggest that that's why ISIS/Islam is evil.

 

[luutzu]

Beautiful!

What people are saying is the people who live in or come to this country with plans of terrorist attack in the name of a certain religion, as we have already seen here and overseas, will not be accepted. The good members of that religion can be fighting against the terrorists/would be terrorist/terror preachers within their religion. I seriously want that to be happening otherwise the good ones may not be good at all. That is the question, what is the ultimate goal of that religion? Is it a religion of peace?

Whatever happened to presumed innocent?

Why must anyone, from any group, must somehow prove themselves that they're against terrorists? We have to ask if they're for it or not? They have to go out of their way to prove that if they see anything, they'll definitely call?

There are surveys conducted by Pews or one of those US polling houses... it asks people around the world who they think are a threat to world peace.

The overwhelming majority of the world says the US is the greatest threat to world peace.

Should we believe the world's opinions or should we read our own press?

The choices are pretty simple... we citizens of a democracy can either delude ourselves, listen to your own sycophantic media gurus, believe in the greatness of all that we do, no matter how bad or nasty it is, all that we do, as Sam Harris and his kind of intellectuals have say... all that we do we do with good intention. So that makes it all A O K.

Anyway...

 

[SirRumpole]

The overwhelming majority of the world says the US is the greatest threat to world peace.

Sounds pretty biased to me. China , Russia, Syria and North Korea would be on the head of my list.

 

[luutzu]

I should have thought it was obvious. Primitive countries are more likely to have religious inspired violence because their inhabitants are less educated. So the point is that it's invalid to show videos of religious violence in primitive countries and say that is comparable to what happens in advanced societies.

So where are your examples of Christian violence in Australia ? We can show examples of Islamic violence in Australia, so that is the basis of comparison; ie Islamic vs Christian violence in the same environment.

Get a White Christian right? White Christians are not the same as Black primitive African "Christians".

 

[SirRumpole]

Get a White Christian right? White Christians are not the same as Black primitive African "Christians".

I haven't heard of any cases in Australia of Christians burning alleged "witches".

 

[luutzu]

Sounds pretty biased to me. China , Russia, Syria and North Korea would be on the head of my list.

When's the last time those country invaded any other country?

When's the last time Iran take over its neighbour's? Or strike at them?

How many Carrier Battle Group does China, Russia, Syria, North Korea has? China's about to have one? Russia has two? The others couldn't afford to feed their own people.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that those countries are nice places or peaceful... but as a threat to world peace, they're yet to have the capability, and has not gone offshore to liberate any country.

China and the seas around it, I know... but what would you do if you were China? You would sit idly by and watch as the US park a whole bunch of hardware on bases ringing your entire seaboard? What if the US decided to blockade China? Who will its trades be affected? How will it fuel and feed itself? Most of its people will starve in a few months.

Or Russia... the Ukraine is right next to Russia's border. And I know Putin isn't a nice guy, but any non-idiot in his position, who want to protect his country's sovereignty, would never permit the Ukraine, or Syria, to fall and become military bases to an adversary.

It is incredible that we somehow believe that "we" have the right to take out any gov't we like, for their own good of course... that no country ought to stop its client state from falling over to another imperial power... that we can strike anyone and they have to like it, else they're a terrorist and it's fair game before it was also fair game.

If any of us care for the future of our country and its value, those noble ideals... starts with being honest with ourselves. Then maybe then we might start to also care for our own citizens who aren't so lucky.

 

[luutzu]

I haven't heard of any cases in Australia of Christians burning alleged "witches".

Go back a few decades and change the word to "savages". Maybe they weren't burnt... waste of gas, just let the sun take care of it when they're driven far off enough into the desert.

 

[SirRumpole]

Go back a few decades and change the word to "savages". Maybe they weren't burnt... waste of gas, just let the sun take care of it when they're driven far off enough into the desert.

How do you know that the people who did that were Christians ? Not every white Anglo Saxon is a Christian , I think you tend to lump every white into the same group if you know what I mean.

 

[luutzu]

How do you know that the people who did that were Christians ? Not every white Anglo Saxon is a Christian , I think you tend to lump every white into the same group if you know what I mean.

The Prime Minister and Ministers for Aborigines Affairs and such might not be genuine Christians, but the Nuns and Priests who carried out the "retraining" of half-castes, the policies of cleaning house were made based on "Christian Value" of God would've wanted all these lost sheep dead or converted, or something.

It's an example of a lot of war and imperialism being done in the name of a religion or a noble value. Once it's carried out, done and dusted... the later generations might look back in horror and say "We're Sorry", really seriously, sorry. Then they try to close the gap or whatever.

We have a great democracy here in Australia... and as Chomsky said of the US and Western democracies - that the people are too enlightened, won too much rights, are too nice and peace-loving that for warmongers to go on imperial adventures, they'd have to resort to all these deceptions and propaganda. They have to put us on edge and make us afraid of the targeted enemy.

That's not to say that there are no serious threat or challenge to our way of life... but that we have to be a bit more alert and keep the bastards honest, as the saying goes.

Else we're going to lose everything, and indirectly commit a whole bunch of nasty shiet.