Islam: Is it inherently Evil?

[noco]

So when they do succeed, you will be calling the family to tell them it's ok and not to fret because not all Muslims bad guys only a few and we should learn to accept that?

Bad apples in a bag of apples will contaminate the good apples. If you can't separate out the two you throw the bag & contents away, but most people just throw out the lot just incase.

I still don't trust Catholic Irishmen won't blow some family up in Australia, let alone a bunch of highly susceptible to religious suggestion people who parade their distinction in uniform as a snub and offence to us worthless Kafirs.

I can sees a few mosques being own up by the Aussie civilian army.....

 

[SirRumpole]

Thats why we have vetting of refugees and immigrants.

"Thats doesn't stop all potential threats" you will probably say, and no it doesn't but neither do RBT's and Taxes.

I appreciate that you are standing up for people that you come in contact with, most of course are good people and want to get along in peace. Probably a lot of them are only Muslims because their parents were like most Christians I expect. However I think that the only way to dilute the religion is not to keep adding to it by importing more. We want to get rid of the ideology not the people.

When we import people from Britain, NZ, France, Germany etc, we have no idea whether they are religious or not, when we import from Muslim countries it's pretty well certain that they have all been indoctrinated from the time they were old enough to speak. The ideology is the problem and unfortunately every Muslim has the potential of using that ideology for evil.

 

[noco]

I can sees a few mosques being own up by the Aussie civilian army.....

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[Value Collector]

Unfortunately that's not good enough. A lot of proven terrorists have been born here, but still carry the disease of indoctrination. Continuing Muslim immigration is like letting a lot of typhoid Marys into the country. You never know who they will infect, or if they will contract the disease themselves.

Most people that kill due to alcohol violence and drink driving are born here, but carry the disease of indoctrination into alcohol culture from European heritage, continuing European immigration from drinking cultures is like letting a lot of Typhoid Marys into the country, you never know who they will infect.

 

[Value Collector]

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I can sees a few mosques being blown up by the Aussie civilian army.....

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And is that a good thing?

 

[noco]

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Yes I don't mind admitting my typing errors....Thanks VC.

 

[SirRumpole]

Most people that kill due to alcohol violence and drink driving are born here, but carry the disease of indoctrination into alcohol culture from European heritage, continuing European immigration from drinking cultures is like letting a lot of Typhoid Marys into the country, you never know who they will infect.

You don't solve one problem by diverting to another problem. Both Islam and drink driving can be tackled at the same time.

 

[Tink]

I hope I have misinterpreted your post, noco, because in Australia we don't bomb and destroy buildings, and murder people.

I am against that, as I said about the 'political terrorists' in the USA, that bombed and destroyed their university in Berkeley, to shut down freedom of speech.

 

[noco]

With the lack of action by the Andrews Labor Government in Victoria in allowing Muslims to run riot in Melbourne when a non Muslim organization organizes a meeting and gets disrupted by these hoons, it is only a matter of time when there will be an up rising among the civilian population...They do not hesitate to bash even by standers with a camera....They do not hesitate to damage property.....They think nothing about damaging the a car they may be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

What we need is some ex army officers take the initiative to rally and train an army of volunteers...We have some 60,000 volunteer fire fighters so I am sure we could recruit 10,000 or 20,000 into a Volunteer Anti Muslim Operation (VAMO) to be called upon at a moments notice to protect the rights of every day Australians who want to hold a meeting and express their freedom of speech without disruption.....It recently happened in Europe and has worked very well.

The do gooders on this Forum are always preaching what peaceful people Muslims are but daily news in the media appears to indicate something different...With the increase in Muslim numbers, we are now observing more muscle being displayed by these Muslim Radicals......Most of them are teenagers not long out of school after having been brainwashed with contents of the Koran 5 times per day.....This is the outcome of something I have mentioned on several occasions.

Governments of all persuasions seem reluctant to intervene and this why Pauline Hanson has become so popular because she understands what people crying out for and that is some action on Muslim activities.

I know I will be called a racist, a bigot and a Muslim hater, but it is OK for these Muslim radicals to parade down Flinders Street with placards of hate for our way of life.....It is OK for them to burn our National flag.....It is OK for them to stop freedom of speech.....It is OK for them to bash someone taking a photo of them in riot mood.

And it will only get worse if we allow them to continuously get away with their crimes.

 

[Value Collector]

And is that a good thing?

Let me rephrase,

Do you consider the blowing up of mosques a good thing?

You don't solve one problem by diverting to another problem. Both Islam and drink driving can be tackled at the same time.

Yes, but your answer to one is to target the offenders, and the answer to the other is to attack the rights of thousands of innocent people.

Which is silly considering the over reaction is to the smaller threat.

 

[noco]

Let me rephrase,

Do you consider the blowing up of mosques a good thing?


Yes, but your answer to one is to target the offenders, and the answer to the other is to attack the rights of thousands of innocent people.

Which is silly considering the over reaction is to the smaller threat.

Let me rephrase,

Do you consider the blowing up of mosques a good thing?


Yes, but your answer to one is to target the offenders, and the answer to the other is to attack the rights of thousands of innocent people.

Which is silly considering the over reaction is to the smaller threat.

I made a comment that I could see a few mosques being blown up by an Aussie civilian army...

Whether I condone it or not is irrelevant to the statement.....

Things could get very ugly if not controlled and there could well be a trigger by a group of unhappy ant Muslims particularly if one of their kinsmen was killed in some Muslim barbaric way..It could set off a revenge.

 

[SirRumpole]

Yes, but your answer to one is to target the offenders, and the answer to the other is to attack the rights of thousands of innocent people.

No I think you have it wrong there. People have no "rights" to migrate to this country unless we say they can. It's like letting someone into your own house, YOU have the choice to let them in or not.

 

[Tisme]

Yes, but your answer to one is to target the offenders, and the answer to the other is to attack the rights of thousands of innocent people.

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That shouldn't be too unfamiliar to your, even at your young age. We have all had our previous rights eroded by successive govts because of the actions of the few . We can't publicly express an opinion lest it violates a vilification law, insults someone's preciousness, there's a constant harangue by authorities to make us pay for human error, we actually pay for cameras on safe strips of road so we can pay more in fines to keep people who want to control us in work, we can't do this we can't do that and people wonder why Hanson and Trump are popular.

 

[Tisme]

. It's like letting someone into your own house, YOU have the choice to let them in or not.

Do you?

Scenario 1: I bet there is a clause somewhere that a govt can compulsorily take you house and land with meagre compensation and parachute a couple of dozen refugee families into it

Scenario 2: You live in Moorooka and some local Eritrean of Sudanese thugs want in

 

[Value Collector]

No I think you have it wrong there. People have no "rights" to migrate to this country unless we say they can. It's like letting someone into your own house, YOU have the choice to let them in or not.

Check out article 14 in the UN Charter of human rights.

"Article 14.
(1) Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution."

So we can not refuse refugees

Also I am not just talking about migrants, people want to do things like ban the burqa, banning the burqa is taking away freedoms and rights.

You might be ok with it because it doesn't affect you,.. yet.

But I want to live in a country that respects personal freedoms and rights, and seeks to expand them where ever possible, not a country of scared people looking for more ways to take away my freedoms in the name of security.

I admit you can't have 100% freedom and 100% security, we must lose some freedom to have some security, but a society that is willing to give up personal freedoms for phone security measures is getting ripped off.

 

[Value Collector]

That shouldn't be too unfamiliar to your, even at your young age. We have all had our previous rights eroded by successive govts because of the actions of the few .

Exactly my point, we should resist any loss of freedom unless it translates to a very big benefit.

These anti muslim laws would not be good value, the loss of freedoms and benefits would be, but the benefit would be basically nil.

 

[Tisme]

Exactly my point, we should resist any loss of freedom unless it translates to a very big benefit.

These anti muslim laws would not be good value, the loss of freedoms and benefits would be, but the benefit would be basically nil.

I don't think Muslims should be singled out and you are right to worry that any laws will always migrated into the mainstream and punish the innocent.

I don't know the real number of ar5eholes who have been sent back whence they came because the broke the law, but it seems to me there are varieties of obnoxious people who have similar looks and similar belief systems amongst themselves who seem unable to coexist in an advanced society without some kind of vulgar display of mindless violence, mind numbing obedience to an alternative invisible law maker, active desire to live cultural ghettos, but an insipid display against obviously inappropriate behaviours.

Migrants have always setup support associations to cocoon new arrivals and second gens, but they also made their voices heard that this was a new home, a new start and a gracious host (which one day they would become). This Muslim lot display no overt desire to integrate and discipline their offspring against the same weakness of mind and lack of just courage that has meant over a thousand years of poverty and misery. I can only suggest the consistent enslavement to a punitive religion has resulted in an evolutionary change of the thought kernal that can't be undone in one two generations.

 

[SirRumpole]

So we can not refuse refugees

We take a certain number of refugees, other don't. Japan has taken about 12 in the
last ten years I think, but I don't hear anyone calling them racist.

 

[SirRumpole]

My apologies to the Japanese. They actually accepted 27 refugees in 2015 and rejected 99% of applications.

https://www.japantoday.com/category...refugees-last-year-rejects-99-of-applications

 

[Ves]

My apologies to the Japanese. They actually accepted 27 refugees in 2015 and rejected 99% of applications.

https://www.japantoday.com/category...refugees-last-year-rejects-99-of-applications

28 last year too wasn't it? At least you could say it's going in the 'right' direction....