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Tisme said:
Seems your crystal ball is working well there :xyxthumbs
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Just that Luutzu believes truely that the middle east mess is involved in a way in the aspirations of these born and bred in Europe guys to blow everything up.
The rosy picture portrayed by the left generally but not only, genuinely does not want to consider that religion IS the factor.
The fact that the muslims terrorists are from arab background is just the result of european policies of the past.
With the same radical training, indonesian or black africa origins would results in the same outcomes with no need for permanent conflict to inflame the dim wits.
Islam is not bad but the fanatical version spread amoung billions by the Saudis (salafism) is the equivalent of the rabid Christian in the US.Religion is the problem, and it can only worsen the more we import the fanatical view via unwanted migration (I wanted to use illegal but in Europe law does not mean anything anymore) and/or tacid support of the "evangelists" already there.Aim is clearly world domination: except for south america?, i believe they are on their way worldwide.
So yes migration is key in that regard and especially muslim one.
Are people "bad' because they are muslims? of course not but a blanket policy is the best way for a society as a whole to preserve itself.
Immunisation is good for society but may be bad for a few individuals, so any decent government should apply it for the common good;
Selective migration is the same.
Europe failed and is a done deal, wait for the current wave offsprings to get in their 20s and news will not be as mild.

This is before even considering any economic/social structure and ecological impact of migration, and the effect on countries of origin as well as "hosting/invaded" ones .Anyway have all a nice easter.
 
qldfrog said:
Just that Luutzu believes truely that the middle east mess is involved in a way in the aspirations of these born and bred in Europe guys to blow everything up.
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Luutzu is so thankful for the sanctuary of Australia and freedom of expression his family were denied, that he is telecasting that experience and gratitude onto others who have the highly undesirable experience of unmitigating fear, barbarism, war and all round deprivation.

I don't blame him, but although the 90's started the myth about Australian being a compassionate soft heart place, our tradition is really intolerance of newbs coming to our dirt patch and sh!*ting the mob ... it's an initiation most of our family trees have had to endure, ethnicity, religion, w4nkers... they all come in for stick.
 
Tisme said:
Luutzu is so thankful for the sanctuary of Australia and freedom of expression his family were denied, that he is telecasting that experience and gratitude onto others who have the highly undesirable experience of unmitigating fear, barbarism, war and all round deprivation.

I don't blame him, but although the 90's started the myth about Australian being a compassionate soft heart place, our tradition is really intolerance of newbs coming to our dirt patch and sh!*ting the mob ... it's an initiation most of our family trees have had to endure, ethnicity, religion, w4nkers... they all come in for stick.
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There are more reasons to cut down on immigration than terrorism, although that is a good one.

Jobs are disappearing due to technology and foreign competition, so who is going to pay all these 'consumers' to consume ?
 
Tisme said:
Luutzu is so thankful for the sanctuary of Australia and freedom of expression his family were denied, that he is telecasting that experience and gratitude onto others who have the highly undesirable experience of unmitigating fear, barbarism, war and all round deprivation.

I don't blame him, but although the 90's started the myth about Australian being a compassionate soft heart place, our tradition is really intolerance of newbs coming to our dirt patch and sh!*ting the mob ... it's an initiation most of our family trees have had to endure, ethnicity, religion, w4nkers... they all come in for stick.
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True,
i am a migrant myself and I believe Luutzu as you say (but he is symptomatic of a whole part of western society) compares the wave of migration he/his family came with to the one we see with ME/Pakistan/Bangladesh moves and has a kind of "we are the same, we have been" there misplaced solidarity;
I believe this view is sadly sincere and the shock will be big the day these persons realise how wrong they were.
They believe my (and others similar) attitude is the same as the underlying racism he has had to face I am sure in Australia. Even as white skinned european, as soon as i start speaking, I sometimes find undertones not so pleasant.
But it could not be so far from the truth: economic/ecology discarded, I enjoy multicultural society and would favor migration.Europe is a giant multicultural microcosm.But I first want to save the country i now call home and belong.
Anyway, the positive of these deaths is that it may save some more lives here and I believe in the US.
30 deaths is nothing as opposed to the number of lives destroyed in a normal year in Fance or Belgium by the result of previous unchecked migrations: the rapes, the bashing, kniffing and mugging, the livehoods destroyed, etc etc But that is never in the news....
 
qldfrog said:
Just that Luutzu believes truely that the middle east mess is involved in a way in the aspirations of these born and bred in Europe guys to blow everything up.
The rosy picture portrayed by the left generally but not only, genuinely does not want to consider that religion IS the factor.
The fact that the muslims terrorists are from arab background is just the result of european policies of the past.
With the same radical training, indonesian or black africa origins would results in the same outcomes with no need for permanent conflict to inflame the dim wits.
Islam is not bad but the fanatical version spread amoung billions by the Saudis (salafism) is the equivalent of the rabid Christian in the US.Religion is the problem, and it can only worsen the more we import the fanatical view via unwanted migration (I wanted to use illegal but in Europe law does not mean anything anymore) and/or tacid support of the "evangelists" already there.Aim is clearly world domination: except for south america?, i believe they are on their way worldwide.
So yes migration is key in that regard and especially muslim one.
Are people "bad' because they are muslims? of course not but a blanket policy is the best way for a society as a whole to preserve itself.
Immunisation is good for society but may be bad for a few individuals, so any decent government should apply it for the common good;
Selective migration is the same.
Europe failed and is a done deal, wait for the current wave offsprings to get in their 20s and news will not be as mild.

This is before even considering any economic/social structure and ecological impact of migration, and the effect on countries of origin as well as "hosting/invaded" ones .Anyway have all a nice easter.
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I take it your fever is gone.

I don't see your position as out of racism, maybe prejudice. But prejudice is not bad, it's just misinformation. And we all cannot know or care to know about all things.

So let's assume for a second that my position is not out of some left wing idiotic ideal, but out of considered judgment. That even though we might disagree, we both want Australia to be great (not that it ever were not great) and free and safe...

So there are two main approach to that vision for a great Australia. Which one is practical, moral and effective...

First, I don't agree that "some people" have to be sacrificed if that's what it takes.

When people, particularly leaders, talk about sacrifices... I don't take it seriously unless they're the one doing the sacrificing.

So to send other people's children off to war and that's a sacrifice the leadership is willing to make... that's messed up. Or crack a few of their heads if that's the sacrifice it takes... can't, shouldn't, do things like that.

Second, to preserve our way of life, our society and value... is NOT to blanket a group of people; or be "tough" and hard on all of them - just in case.


We don't need to go back any length of time, or imagine and philosophize, to know the kind of policy you believe in, and most gov't and politicians tend to want... it results in both insecurity, economic decline, moral decay, racism, barbarism on both the national and the personal level.

Look at Israel.

They've been purifying their land off Arabs/Palestinians. Been waging war almost constantly against terrorism. Making "sacrifices" so that their people can live in a paradise among the jungle, as they like to believe... Look what the result has been to both their country and their children.

 
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SirRumpole said:
There are more reasons to cut down on immigration than terrorism, although that is a good one.

Jobs are disappearing due to technology and foreign competition, so who is going to pay all these 'consumers' to consume ?
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They pay for themselves. They'll work, do low pay dirty work.. and all have yet to know how to use high-priced accountants to not pay tax so it'd be OK.
 
luutzu said:
They pay for themselves. They'll work, do low pay dirty work.. and all have yet to know how to use high-priced accountants to not pay tax so it'd be OK.
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That's the way it used to be with Italians, Vietnamese migrants. They did work hard. But it's increasing clear that a lot of recent migrants have found the benefits of our social security system beats having to work for a living, or else they run successful illegal enterprises.
 

Which one is practical, moral and effective...
Why should it be moral?

First, I don't agree that "some people" have to be sacrificed if that's what it takes.
and definitively a point where we differ.But nothing new.
 
wayneL said:
I wonder what Belgian for Neville Chamberlain is?
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Appeasement in Arabic: ترضية

Have said it before, England and Chamberlain didn't appease Hitler because England got all dovey and don't like another chance to expand its empire. They appease because they have no other choice.

Big massive dominions and colonies all over the globe full of savages and barbarians to keep an eye on. Just finished a deadly expensive war with actual nations who has the hardware to be of some match; a tired, weary, impoverished population with a lot less abled young bodies to take on the fight... So Chamberlain have to appease and pray Hitler won't want world domination after he take out a few European neighbours.

What's China doing right now?

And what are we in the West doing to stop them? China! be noice.

China is practically claiming two entire oceans, upsetting some half dozen countries. And our big brother is in no position to even convince those unhappy Asians to join together with Western values to oppose China's claim to these strategic and resource rich seas.

Why?

Maybe because the Asian tigers aren't convinced that the US and the West could check China when push come to shove. It'd be a lonely and harsh world to join an alliance and your little self are the only one coming to the battlefield.

Why would they believe that?

We're at war with bloody Russia; just getting busy all over Africa; then of course the entire Middle East... then on top of all these costly, big expensive mayhem... the domestic economies aren't doing well, infrastructure are crumbling, the population are pretty much not happy, can't tax corporations or rich people - and that doesn't include the Muslims and their terrorism.


So you want to see appeasement, don't need to look that far back to Chamberlain.
 
That wasn't my question, but thanks for the answer. Agreed.
 
qldfrog said:

Which one is practical, moral and effective...
Why should it be moral?

First, I don't agree that "some people" have to be sacrificed if that's what it takes.
and definitively a point where we differ.But nothing new.
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We should be moral because Jesus and God, as opposed to Allah, taught us to be moral. Western values right?

That and maybe being moral you attract good honest people to your cause. Sometime it's also the right thing to do.

Yea well, some find it sensible to make sacrifices at other people's lives and expense; some don't.
 
luutzu said:
We should be moral because Jesus and God, as opposed to Allah, taught us to be moral. Western values right?

That and maybe being moral you attract good honest people to your cause. Sometime it's also the right thing to do.

Yea well, some find it sensible to make sacrifices at other people's lives and expense; some don't.
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Aa a government, it is your duty to "sacrifices other people's lives" to save the people who elected you and pay you ; This is not "moral" but this is your duty.
Doing otherwise is treason to use a strong word but nevertheless appropriate for the european leaders who let/have let the invasion go unchecked.
But that was too good for their re election chances and big corporate friends, ensuring ongoing unemployment, passive and poor neuterised masses brainwashed from early schooling to daily media feed.
They will probably follow the trend, turn their coats and sacrifice some poor (muslim) buggers to the vindict while having grand "Islam is not in cause" walk hand in hand with the local "community" leader just off his plane from Ryiad.And let another millions or two of customers and welfare recipients in.
 
qldfrog said:
Aa a government, it is your duty to "sacrifices other people's lives" to save the people who elected you and pay you ; This is not "moral" but this is your duty.
Doing otherwise is treason to use a strong word but nevertheless appropriate for the european leaders who let/have let the invasion go unchecked.
But that was too good for their re election chances and big corporate friends, ensuring ongoing unemployment, passive and poor neuterised masses brainwashed from early schooling to daily media feed.
They will probably follow the trend, turn their coats and sacrifice some poor (muslim) buggers to the vindict while having grand "Islam is not in cause" walk hand in hand with the local "community" leader just off his plane from Ryiad.And let another millions or two of customers and welfare recipients in.
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No one's arguing that criminals and public enemies shouldn't be locked up and punished. I'm not arguing we let terrorists roam the streets or shouldn't bring them to justice.

So crimes ought to be punished. If punishment is what we and our politicians meant by sacrifices on the criminals' part, then of course... criminals need to be punished.

But that is totally different from blanketed annihilation of all people who look and sound like the current enemy of the state.

It's that kind of talk that permit "our" leader or leader wanna-be to talk of genocide and committing war crimes and literal crimes against humanity for "our security", or the "security" of our "friends".

Watch Hillary Clinton and practically all the Republican presidential candidate... They all talk about peace and security in the same breath as nuking Iran and carpet bomb Syria, Iraq and all them countries.

It's a bit messed up that not too many of us civilised folks hears that and not goes wtf.

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Anyway... the war on terror has gone on, officially anyway, for 15 years right? Are we safer or should we get really serious about it because overthrowing a few dictators and starting fire to an entire region just aren't serious enough.

Again, should learn from Israel. Watch that interview above.

Gideon Levy is an Israeli journalist who actually walk the streets of Israel and Palestine and is sickened by what he witnessed over the 3 decades there.

Some of his observations:

- A lot of those Israelis are psychologically insane (referring to their rabid hatred for the Palestinians);
- Israeli youths are getting more and more ignorant. They know nothing about nothing. (you got to dumb down the population to get them to do ethnic cleansing);
- Nothing DBS or any movement could do to harm Israel more than Israel's own crimes and policies.

Anyway, the West is rich and can do a lot of things. Insecurity, decline and ruins or not won't be the fault of other people.
 
This video came to me by email today. It is a must watch as to what is happening in Europe. The good, the bad and the ugly.

 
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Bill M said:
This video came to me by email today. It is a must watch as to what is happening in Europe. The good, the bad and the ugly.

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Looks to me the "good" bits are made to show how naive and silly it is to be good.
 
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Bastille Day - 70+ dead. Method; run a truck into the crowd.

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Munich shooting: at least eight dead as police treat attack as terrorism and hunt for three gunmen​

Munich police are hunting for a possible three gunmen who they believe have carried out an attack at a shopping centre and McDonalds restaurant.

On Twitter, the local forces said shootings had taken place at Hanauer street, which is the location of both the Olympia shopping center and the adjoining McDonalds.

Reports of the gunman's behaviour were confused and contradictory.

A Muslim woman told CNN that she heard the gunman yell: "Allahu Akbar," yet video footage showed a gunman ranting against foreigners and Turks, suggesting a Neo Nazi attack.

Children were said to be targeted.

Police described the attacks simply as terrorism, and said the gunman or gunmen are believed to still be in the city.

  • Gunman in Munich opens fire at a McDonalds by the Olympia shopping centre
  • Police describe shooting as terrorism
  • Police hunt three gunmen, believed to still be in Munich
  • Eight confirmed dead
  • Unconfirmed reports that there could be shootings in city centre
  • Islamic State supporters celebrate on social media
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