Islam: Is it inherently Evil?

[dutchie]

Islam is indeed evil......

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...s/news-story/cabfb99aebe52ebcac836ad4d1fd51f0

Islamic State calls for murder of Australian Islamic clerics

Islamic State has called for the deaths of three prominent Australian Islamic scholars in a new propaganda video.

Youth leader Sheikh Shady Alsuleiman, NSW Police Force chaplain Sheikh Ahmed Abdo and the Grand Mufti of Australia, Ibrahim Abu Mohamed are slammed as “apostates” in the video — a crime punishable by death according to radical Islam.

The video calls on followers to kill the three men, and mentions other leaders from across the Islamic world, saying they’re “collaborators, informers and apostates” for discouraging violence.


That's why Islam will always be violent. The moderates will be scared to say anything. Just like the German populace in WW2.
Why bring any more problems to Australia? It's a no brainer.

 

[Value Collector]

There is a difference between deliberately causing death or injury and irresponsibly causing death or injury.

this is a discussion of risk, you are saying allowing muslims in increases the risk of innocent people being killed, I am saying it doesn't, because the risk of a muslim murdering is so low, and the risk of a drinker killing some one is so much higher, but muslims don't drink.

So the tiny risk of a muslim killing someone because of their religion, is totally offset by the reduced chance of muslims killing due to drink driving.

Ask your self, if you could wave a magic wand, and either take away all future terrorist attacks on our shores, or take away all alcohol violence and drink driving deaths, which would you do?

If you say the terrorist attacks you are either completely irrational, or simply don't understand the consistent figure of alcohol related innocent deaths.

 

[Value Collector]

From the Islamic terror attacks around the world.

So why don't you believe Christian preach violence? because there are plenty of christian terror attacks also.

What you are doing is separating the extreme christians from the majority who are peaceful, but you refuse to give muslims the same respect.

 

[SirRumpole]

So the tiny risk of a muslim killing someone because of their religion, is totally offset by the reduced chance of muslims killing due to drink driving.

As pointed out for Belgium, the higher the proportion of Muslims the more danger they pose because of their ideology that motivates some of them to violence. The moderates are too afraid to speak up in case they are singled out for revenge.

Your comparison with drink driving is irrational. Measures like early closing more RBT patrols can reduce the incidence.

In any case as I have said before we don't need more people from anywhere in this country at the moment. Resources are stretched enough already. Too much crime including from Muslim-North African gangs which is becoming a real problem that no one wants to see made worse.

 

[Value Collector]

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. Just like the German populace in WW2.
Why bring any more problems to Australia? It's a no brainer.

We accepted a lot of German refugees and displaced people.

 

[Value Collector]

the higher the proportion of Muslims the more danger they pose because of their ideology that motivates some of them to violence.

the higher the proportion of those from drinking cultures the more danger they pose because of their drug use that motivates some of them to violence and irresponsible behaviour.

 

[SirRumpole]

the higher the proportion of those from drinking cultures the more danger they pose because of their drug use that motivates some of them to violence and irresponsible behaviour.

Nonsense. Everyone who calls themselves Muslim has had exposure to that ideology which can turn into extremism so there is a defined risk, whereas non Muslims may not even drink, so their risk is undefined.

 

[luutzu]

Islam is indeed evil......

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...s/news-story/cabfb99aebe52ebcac836ad4d1fd51f0

Islamic State calls for murder of Australian Islamic clerics

Islamic State has called for the deaths of three prominent Australian Islamic scholars in a new propaganda video.

Youth leader Sheikh Shady Alsuleiman, NSW Police Force chaplain Sheikh Ahmed Abdo and the Grand Mufti of Australia, Ibrahim Abu Mohamed are slammed as “apostates” in the video — a crime punishable by death according to radical Islam.

The video calls on followers to kill the three men, and mentions other leaders from across the Islamic world, saying they’re “collaborators, informers and apostates” for discouraging violence.


That's why Islam will always be violent. The moderates will be scared to say anything. Just like the German populace in WW2.
Why bring any more problems to Australia? It's a no brainer.

Wait... ISIS calls for the death of Muslim leaders in Australia because they're "apostates"... yet Muslims are all evil like ISIS and those in Australia are evil?

See how that kind of contradict itself that every Muslim love ISIS or are terrorist?

 

[luutzu]

Nonsense. Everyone who calls themselves Muslim has had exposure to that ideology which can turn into extremism so there is a defined risk, whereas non Muslims may not even drink, so their risk is undefined.

But non-Muslims who don't drink, but came from culture that drinks are also exposed to the habit and so could one day get drunk. No?

Speaking of which... was at a wedding in the UK and man the English can drink. They were all surprised (and envious) that in Australia the bar is open at weddings. If there's ever a wedding I have to pay for and the Irish or English are invited, there's never going to be an open bar, ever.

 

[luutzu]

I think we have been through this before. The West is not taking on Islam in the ME, we are helping Muslim countries fight a threat to law and order in that area.

You may say we should just pull out and leave them to it. Maybe sell them arms like we did to Saddam. That's pretty risky if ISIL wins and has control over all those arms.

In the end we need a ME that we can deal with in a quasi civilised manner, not a bunch of psychos.

Heard that most of the arms ISIS have they took from the Iraqi Army. So we're a bit late on preventing that one.

Then there's Gadaffi's armouries stashed all over Libya. When "we" took him out and turn the place upside down, guess what the people in charge of those stashes do with them? They sold them to whoever... and those whoever are militias and terrorists all over North Africa and some of them got to ISIS too.

Trust me, no army in the world has ever come into any country to seriously help the country. It's a bit incredible that anyone could believe that.

The Americans wouldn't even spend a couple hundred millions to provide their own people with clean drinking water, so the idea that their politicians would go all out to help Arabs and Muslims...

Fun fact: New York City spent more to provide security for Trump's wife and his youngest son [Barron? who the heck name their kid Barron?]... they spent more to provide security to the two of them per month than they do providing food and shelter to the homeless.

The homeless have no choice and need handouts; young Barron and mommy could just move to Washington DC and finish his "schooling" there to save taxpayers freaking $365M a year! That's over $1Billion over the next four years just to provide security because they thought it's a bit inconvenient for little Trump to change school.

But yea, Muslims and refugees and homeless welfare people are what's making the country poor.

 

[Value Collector]

1.Nonsense. Everyone who calls themselves Muslim has had exposure to that ideology which can turn into extremism so there is a defined risk,

2. whereas non Muslims may not even drink, so their risk is undefined.

1. No they haven't

2. I am only talking about drinkers.

 

[dutchie]

We accepted a lot of German refugees and displaced people.

Nothing to do with that.

I was referring to the fact that the German populace could not complain about the Nazi's when they got into power for fear that they may be jailed or killed.

 

[Value Collector]

I was referring to the fact that the German populace could not complain about the Nazi's when they got into power for fear that they may be jailed or killed.

Yes, and a lot of them fled as "refugees" and we accepted them, just as many muslims are now fleeing the hardliners.

Did you know that WW2 was ended by refugee's, if trump was in power during WW2, and he banned refugees from nazi countries, the manhattan project wouldn't have existed and perhaps hitler would have got the Atom bomb, and the war would have dragged out killing a lot more US soldiers.

 

[SirRumpole]

Did you know that WW2 was ended by refugee's,

They weren't Muslims though were they ?

 

[Value Collector]

They weren't Muslims though were they ?

I am not sure of the religion of all the people who worked on the project.
However as already stated about 1,000,000 muslim soldiers served on our side during WW2,

 

[noco]

We accepted a lot of German refugees and displaced people.

Yes, and they assimilated into our community....They never gave us any problems like we are currently experiencing with Muslims...They were carefully selected with a trade having worked with so many in the plumbing trade...They quickly learned to speak English...I can also speak for the Italians.

 

[SirRumpole]

I am not sure of the religion of all the people who worked on the project.
However as already stated about 1,000,000 muslim soldiers served on our side during WW2,

So what do you think of Sharia Law VC ? Should we allow it in this country ?

 

[luutzu]

They weren't Muslims though were they ?

They were the Muslims of the day though.

Most got turned back from Western countries. Ends up in ghettos then the concentration camps.

But the Jews are different though. They're not at all vile and backwards, they don't have a weird religion and never assimilate... the Nazi says that of the Jews, but we all know the Nazi lies and use propaganda whereas we enlightened Democracies.

Seriously, what Australia managed to established as a nation is nothing short of a miracle. We're going to let our trusty politicians throw all of it away if we aren't careful; if we believe in some sort of manifest destiny of our (White and Christian) greatness and invincibility no matter how racist and harmful many of our policies are steering us towards.

You don't fly half way around the world, literally take over its gov't in two to three weeks... then say that that country poses some sort of existential threat to your way of life.

You don't command their land, seas and skies... strike whoever, whenever you like... flatten buildings, schools, factories, towns, cities... you can't do that kind of destabilisation, fracturing the country, leading to the rise of warlords and terrorist groups... can't do that then show videos of their crazies committing murder to justify your noble intent against their barbarity.

And you definitely do not kick and bash the few fortunate refugees who managed to escape all that hell, receive the generosity of a people to start anew.

If you find yourself doing all that, you're either being lied to or just seriously misinformed and prejudiced.

 

[noco]

Here is video instructing Muslim men how to beat their wives and not only in Saudi Arabia but world wide.....If our men do the same thing here it is called domestic violence.

http://elicit.wixsite.com/the-watch...-TV-teaching-husbands-how-to-beat-their-wives

 

[luutzu]

Here is video instructing Muslim men how to beat their wives and not only in Saudi Arabia but world wide.....If our men do the same thing here it is called domestic violence.

http://elicit.wixsite.com/the-watch...-TV-teaching-husbands-how-to-beat-their-wives

Women in Western societies are all equal to their male counterpart?

80% of the pay for the same work.

Being sexualised like objects; are somehow told that if they're as skinny as a board with no boobs, that's sexy. Are now told that if they're housewives, you know, spending time at home to raise the kids, that that's somehow not as "worthy" as getting a job in the workforce and offload the kids to grandma or some centres... and there are no domestic abuses and violence? All us men treat our women good and proper?

Dam, in the freest and bestest country in the world, women aren't permitted to decide their own pregnancies in most states. And if Trump have his way, it'll be out the door because life matters as long as it's in the womb; and if the woman died from lack of healthcare, that's what will make them stronger or something.

Anyway, this is getting too much.