Islam: Is it inherently Evil?

[luutzu]

It would be interesting to know what percentage of Muslim born women actually married Christians, atheists, Jews or agnostics and effectively left the "flock" without being threatened or harassed by their relatives.

You mean Arab women right?

'cause religious people tend to marry those from the same religion as theirs. If the other is agnostic or from any other religion, it's the job of a good X religion to convert.

As to Arab women/men marrying the infidels without conversion... I guess the fact that they managed to no longer be Muslim and survive tells us that they can if they wanted to, now that they're no longer a Muslim.

 

[Tisme]

Yes, I misread your sleight of hand there

Why would any Muslim want to talk about its nationalism? Not in the current climate.

You can be a third generation, Aussie born and bred, but if you're brown and look like you're praying to Allah... man.

Third gens usually lose the superstitions of their grandparents that drove them to leave and make a new life in a safe haven like Australia. Colour is not an issue until it becomes the badge of the person wearing it, to promote anti social behaviours.

If you are Aussie born and bred you invariably question the validity of the yarns spiritual leaders would have you believe so they can control your behaviours...you would question because you can in Australia, possibly one of a very few countries, even though the Labor party would legislate that right away to stop hurts feelings.

 

[Tisme]

You mean Arab women right?

'cause religious people tend to marry those from the same religion as theirs. If the other is agnostic or from any other religion, it's the job of a good X religion to convert.

As to Arab women/men marrying the infidels without conversion... I guess the fact that they managed to no longer be Muslim and survive tells us that they can if they wanted to, now that they're no longer a Muslim.

Who says someone has to convert? There are far more irreligious people in Australia than those that profess an offshelf God brand.

It will be the Muslim families and friends who desert a woman hooking up with a non Muslim. Agnostics and atheists don't ostracise other non denominationals for hooking up with non Muslims do they?

 

[noco]

Not in the Australian Army. I'm sure the Indian Army had a fair draft of Muslims, mixed in with the Hindus and Sikhs, the numbers are probably inflated year on year as Islam seeks to legitimise it nationalism.

There are actually 98 Muslims in the ADF.......It might sound OK for now but what sort of sabotage acts could they perform to a ship or an air craft...My suspicious is mind is working overtime again.

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/08/18/meet-young-muslims-getting-ready-fight-australia

 

[luutzu]

Third gens usually lose the superstitions of their grandparents that drove them to leave and make a new life in a safe haven like Australia. Colour is not an issue until it becomes the badge of the person wearing it, to promote anti social behaviours.

If you are Aussie born and bred you invariably question the validity of the yarns spiritual leaders would have you believe so they can control your behaviours...you would question because you can in Australia, possibly one of a very few countries, even though the Labor party would legislate that right away to stop hurts feelings.

Chances are it starts with the generation that first decided they'd have enough of those bs and so move to be with the infidels.

I mean, that's why my parents decided to risk it all - they saw the corruptions, the racism [yea, apparently the North don't much like the South and the South don't much like the commies either] and thought they'd rather risk their kids drown then raise them up among these a-holes.

 

[luutzu]

There are actually 98 Muslims in the ADF.......It might sound OK for now but what sort of sabotage acts could they perform to a ship or an air craft...My suspicious is mind is working overtime again.

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/08/18/meet-young-muslims-getting-ready-fight-australia

Good thing you do recognise your fault sometime noco.

 

[luutzu]

Who says someone has to convert? There are far more irreligious people in Australia than those that profess an offshelf God brand.

It will be the Muslim families and friends who desert a woman hooking up with a non Muslim. Agnostics and atheists don't ostracise other non denominationals for hooking up with non Muslims do they?

They don't?

Have you seen "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner"? Or watch Dragon: The Bruce Lee Story; or remember the good old days when you were young in Australia? Or have talk to them friends in the South over TrumpLand?

 

[noco]

Good thing you do recognise your fault sometime noco.

What fault may that be?......I was drawing to attention the fact that we have Muslims in the ADF and the repercussions that it could have on our equipment....Who can tell if they are not just a plant and why has the Mufties , the higher order of Islam, allowed the recruitment of Muslims into the ADF.?...I thought tar would be against their ideology.

 

[Tisme]

They don't?

Have you seen "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner"? Or watch Dragon: The Bruce Lee Story; or remember the good old days when you were young in Australia? Or have talk to them friends in the South over TrumpLand?

Are you mixing metaphors deliberately? We are talking about religions and you are talking bone structure and skin colour presumably? I never chose my friends on appearance from as early as I can remember and I don't think I heard any racism among my cohorts in my primary school years and rarely in high school....apart from the POMS, but only because they spoke funny and acted superior.

 

[Value Collector]

What fault may that be?......I was drawing to attention the fact that we have Muslims in the ADF and the repercussions that it could have on our equipment....Who can tell if they are not just a plant and why has the Mufties , the higher order of Islam, allowed the recruitment of Muslims into the ADF.?...I thought tar would be against their ideology.

Your fault was that you are showing your irrational fear again, and talking as if Muslims are one big group out to get us.

 

[SirRumpole]

Your fault was that you are showing your irrational fear again, and talking as if Muslims are one big group out to get us.

Well, you have been in the ADF so I'm not going to say you are wrong, but doesn't this sort of thing disturb you ?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-24/inquest-into-the-deaths-of-three-australian-soldiers/6569438

 

[noco]

Your fault was that you are showing your irrational fear again, and talking as if Muslims are one big group out to get us.

You have got that right......The Muslims want to take over the Western world and they will do anything to gain their goal by intimidation and fear...The Muslims may not have killed many in Australia as yet but the constant bashing have left many maimed with scars indelible in their minds for the rest of their lives. ...A vehicle loaded with one tonne of explosives will eventually slip through the police radar..

You see, I might have OCD but I am very physic, I have a suspicious mind and often gaze into my crystal ball.

 

[Value Collector]

Well, you have been in the ADF so I'm not going to say you are wrong, but doesn't this sort of thing disturb you ?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-24/inquest-into-the-deaths-of-three-australian-soldiers/6569438

Of course it does, but firstly the attacker in this situation was not a member of the adf, and if you think all Muslims support the taliban, you are wrong.

I can't see what this situation has to do with letting Australian citizens who are Muslim into the adf.

 

[Value Collector]

You have got that right......The Muslims want to take over the Western world and they will do anything to gain their goal by intimidation and fear...

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That should actually read "Some Muslim groups want to take over the world, including the muslim world"

Remember more muslims are dying than any other group, so to paint them as some united group is silly.

 

[SirRumpole]

I can't see what this situation has to do with letting Australian citizens who are Muslim into the adf.

How are you going to tell what matters most to them, loyalty to the Koran (kill infidels etc) or loyalty to the Queen and country.

Someday there could be a conflict and you wouldn't want to turn your back on them.

 

[Tisme]

That should actually read "Some Muslim groups want to take over the world, including the muslim world"

Remember more muslims are dying than any other group, so to paint them as some united group is silly.

It it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck and ducks **** over anything and everything, which is why we need more chooks (sound like a Team America script )

 

[Tisme]

I can't see what this situation has to do with letting Australian citizens who are Muslim into the adf.

"Beware Greeks bearing gifts" ring any bells?

 

[Value Collector]

6% of the Belgian population is Muslim, now they are a breeding ground for international terrorism.

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They are also a breeding ground for alcohol related deaths, Alcohol related deaths in Belgium are more than double that of Australia (which is already high).

Perhaps if we are judging a migrant family from Belgium, we should be more worried about the white drinkers.

 

[SirRumpole]

They are also a breeding ground for alcohol related deaths, Alcohol related deaths in Belgium are more than double that of Australia (which is already high).

Please, not the old straw man argument trick.

 

[Value Collector]

Please, not the old straw man argument trick.

How is it a straw man, People are saying having muslims in the country increases risk to the rest of the population.

I am pointing out drink driving and alcohol violence is a far bigger killer, given that muslims don't drink, we would actually be reducing the risk to the rest of the population by avoiding people from drinking cultures.

Can you explain the flaw in my logic?