Islam: Is it inherently Evil?

[Tisme]

Read before that it's not just because he's a Christian.

Note how he's a Christian and a Governor? How did he get there if the Muslims-majority country's Muslims didn't also voted for him.

Can't recall what he did exactly, but it's something about him bashing Islam the religion; biases against Islam in favour of his Christianity.

Cana't really do that bro. That's like an Aussie politicians going into politics to share the wealth back to the poor and working class.

So "bashing Islam" is an open door to losing office and being tossed in jail?

"Ahok" Basuki Tjahaja Purnama is still the leading contender for gubernatorial reelection, but that means zip if the religious nuts decide that the governor must "submit to the will of Allah". This bloke faces an almost certain 5 year sentence, while his accusers go about blaspheming that Jesus was not the son of God.

His "bashing" was: saying his opponents had used a verse from the Quran to deceive voters and prevent him from winning another term during a meeting with residents in the city. Pretty harsh words for Muslims to handle?

 

[noco]

So "bashing Islam" is an open door to losing office and being tossed in jail?

"Ahok" Basuki Tjahaja Purnama is still the leading contender for gubernatorial reelection, but that means zip if the religious nuts decide that the governor must "submit to the will of Allah". This bloke faces an almost certain 5 year sentence, while his accusers go about blaspheming that Jesus was not the son of God.

His "bashing" was: saying his opponents had used a verse from the Quran to deceive voters and prevent him from winning another term during a meeting with residents in the city. Pretty harsh words for Muslims to handle?

It is OK for Muslims to bash up innocent Aussies

 

[luutzu]

So "bashing Islam" is an open door to losing office and being tossed in jail?

"Ahok" Basuki Tjahaja Purnama is still the leading contender for gubernatorial reelection, but that means zip if the religious nuts decide that the governor must "submit to the will of Allah". This bloke faces an almost certain 5 year sentence, while his accusers go about blaspheming that Jesus was not the son of God.

His "bashing" was: saying his opponents had used a verse from the Quran to deceive voters and prevent him from winning another term during a meeting with residents in the city. Pretty harsh words for Muslims to handle?

I don't follow Indonesian politics McGee, just scan the headlines on that before.

Though it is interesting that he managed to get elected in the first place. How did that happen?

I'm not defending the guy or his critics but maybe it's possible that the opposition does know how to sow racial and religious hatred among the voters when there were none.

 

[Ves]

The majority of deaths relating to alcohol are self inflicted and if they drink and drive they are breaking the law and invariably get caught and pay the price.

Supporting link please.

 

[Tisme]

I don't follow Indonesian politics McGee, just scan the headlines on that before.

Though it is interesting that he managed to get elected in the first place. How did that happen?

I'm not defending the guy or his critics but maybe it's possible that the opposition does know how to sow racial and religious hatred among the voters when there were none.

International politics in our region.

He was elected because enough people voted for him. However that doesn't stop a minority from using fear and superstition in exerting greater influence than the law allows. It's a core belief of Muslims that the sum of the people is never greater than the God they serve, so even one person with God on his side is far more righteous than the rest.

 

[Wysiwyg]

Cana't really do that bro. That's like an Aussie politicians going into politics to share the wealth back to the poor and working class.

They already have. Dole, housing commission, child care benefit, paid parental leave, disability and support pension, pharmaceutical benefit scheme, health care rebate, rent assistance etc. the rest ... https://www.humanservices.gov.au/customer/themes/families

A lucky country in many unseen ways and we don't need f/wits from overseas coming here telling us we are racist, inhumane, lacking compassion and never give someone a fair go. Some people get more than they ever contribute in return.

 

[luutzu]

International politics in our region.

He was elected because enough people voted for him. However that doesn't stop a minority from using fear and superstition in exerting greater influence than the law allows. It's a core belief of Muslims that the sum of the people is never greater than the God they serve, so even one person with God on his side is far more righteous than the rest.

I go by the US definition of "International" in its "International Community" - it's made up of only the US and the West

I don't want to debate stuff I don't know about so can't really answer you. Just going by what you said and my reading of a couple of news blurb a while back - that despite his Christianity, the guy was voted in as Governor of the capital of a majority Muslim country. That kind of speak volumes doesn't it?

What follow after til now, I don't know. Maybe Pauline and Trump aren't the only politicians who know how to play the racist card.

 

[Wysiwyg]

It is OK for Muslims to bash up innocent Aussies

Sorry Noco but I do not think that is the best way. Inciting hatred is NOT the go. Brute force is NOT the answer.

 

[Tisme]

West

I don't want to debate stuff I don't know about so can't really answer you. Just going by what you said and my reading of a couple of news blurb a while back - that despite his Christianity, the guy was voted in as Governor of the capital of a majority Muslim country. That kind of speak volumes doesn't it?

and when the islamic courts lock him up and he is eventually murdered, will that speak volumes to you?

If nobody engages them his fate is sealed.

 

[Value Collector]

And they would never swear allegiance to the Queen or country.

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I have served with Muslims, and so yes Muslims have and do swear allegiance to the queen. You do know that their are Muslims in both the Australian and British defence forces right?

Do you know more Muslims fought for the commonwealth in both WW1 and WW2 than Ausrtralians, I think you need to read up on some history.

When I said 2930 people died due to drink driving, that's just the innocent ones, not the drivers that were drunk.

 

[Tisme]

I have served with Muslims, and so yes Muslims have and do swear allegiance to the queen. You do know that their are Muslims in both the Australian and British defence forces right?

Do you know more Muslims fought for the commonwealth in both WW1 and WW2 than Ausrtralians, I think you need to read up on some history.

When I said 2930 people died due to drink driving, that's just the innocent ones, not the drivers that were drunk.

That would be the British Empire and there would have been zip Muslims in the Australian Armed Forces, in either conflict for sure.

 

[luutzu]

They already have. Dole, housing commission, child care benefit, paid parental leave, disability and support pension, pharmaceutical benefit scheme, health care rebate, rent assistance etc. the rest ... https://www.humanservices.gov.au/customer/themes/families

A lucky country in may unseen ways and we don't need f/wits from overseas coming here telling us we are racist, inhumane, lacking compassion and never give someone a fair go. Some people get more than they ever contribute in return.

Those "entitlements", as the Yank calls it, were not given by the political class. They were fought and won by the masses.

The times were different then. The two major wars and particularly aftermath of WW2 show the people what could happen when we label an entire race this and that nasty thing. The masses would not have any of that anymore.

That and there are alternatives to the "capitalist" system that exploit labour to enrich the upper crust. That the ruling class better smarten up, share some of the public wealth among the plebs, or look to Moscow, Europe, China - i.e. peasant leaders now live and work in them Royal Houses and Forbidden City.

So these benefits and social safety nets were won, not given.

Since then, Democracy and richer, healthier, more relaxed and educated plebs just prove too much to handle. What with stopping imperial wars, demanding higher wages, safe work practices...

You as a Blue Blood master of man just can't have that. Not since the evil Soviet empire collapses and the boomer generation and their kids have long forgotten what made their country rich and liberal. They can only conclude that it is because they were great, destined and chosen by God. And so why are they struggling now? It's all those dam Muslims and welfare cheats. It's the illegals coming in to take jobs....

Just take a look at any Third World dictators and despots. They tend to rule over "their" kind of people right? Same religion/culture/colour... why are they such greedy azzholes building castles, fly around in private jets while their people starve and beg in the streets?

Those ruling, political elite are just nasty while ours kisses babies, shake hand with the plebs, take a few pics and so are cool? That they really do love us all just that we'd have to let them beat up a bunch of lazy widows and orphans, Muslims and things?

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No known f'wits will be permitted into Australia. Just watch Border Patrol... they won't even be permitted to holiday here if we suspect anything.

So refugees and migrants who escape war and famine, who trek thousands of miles on foot and somehow survived and are granted residency in a country like Australia. Man, that's like God literally open the sky to give them a thumbs up.

With all the vetting and given their situation, it's very rare for them to become ungrateful f'wits complaining about anything.

I bet you they wouldn't even believe you if you tell them that there's such a thing as welfare payment here.

Anyway, repeating myself here... but this is how people are divided to be conquered.

All the nasty stuff are never done to hurt "you", they're always done to protect you against "the other".

 

[Tisme]

If anyone just watched QANDA you would have seen a classic example of a Muslim throwing a hissy fit.

She has been lauded as something special by the ABC because she is a woman, a muslim and actually achieved stuff that white, atheist, male engineers do enmasse. It's really quite insulting in my view that women especially, are paraded like monkeys who can count to ten when they should be treated just like any other peer in the group.

Anyway this one reckons that Muslim women have more freedom than westerners and are not servile to their husbands .... boy o' boy is that girl in for a shock when she grows up and finds herself trapped in the sticky.

 

[luutzu]

That would be the British Empire and there would have been zip Muslims in the Australian Armed Forces, in either conflict for sure.

There weren't Indians, and what became Pakistan, serving in His and Her Majesty's wars?

 

[luutzu]

If anyone just watched QANDA you would have seen a classic example of a Muslim throwing a hissy fit.

She has been lauded as something special by the ABC because she is a woman, a muslim and actually achieved stuff that white, atheist, male engineers do enmasse. It's really quite insulting in my view that women especially, are paraded like monkeys who can count to ten when they should be treated just like any other peer in the group.

Anyway this one reckons that Muslim women have more freedom than westerners and are not servile to their husbands .... boy o' boy is that girl in for a shock when she grows up and finds herself trapped in the sticky.

And you know that how?

 

[Value Collector]

That would be the British Empire and there would have been zip Muslims in the Australian Armed Forces, in either conflict for sure.

The claim was that Muslims wouldn't swear allegiance to the queen, I am saying that right now there is Muslims in the defence force who have, and in the big conflicts of the past thousands of them have sworn allegiance to the queen and fought on our side.

How do you know that no Muslims fought in the Aussie army? Are you just guessing?

In fact if it wasn't for the Muslims fighting the Japanese in Burma, we probably wouldn't have been able to stop them on the Kokoda track.

 

[SirRumpole]

If anyone just watched QANDA you would have seen a classic example of a Muslim throwing a hissy fit.

She has been lauded as something special by the ABC because she is a woman, a muslim and actually achieved stuff that white, atheist, male engineers do enmasse. It's really quite insulting in my view that women especially, are paraded like monkeys who can count to ten when they should be treated just like any other peer in the group.

Anyway this one reckons that Muslim women have more freedom than westerners and are not servile to their husbands .... boy o' boy is that girl in for a shock when she grows up and finds herself trapped in the sticky.

It would be interesting to know what percentage of Muslim born women actually married Christians, atheists, Jews or agnostics and effectively left the "flock" without being threatened or harassed by their relatives.

 

[Tisme]

There weren't Indians, and what became Pakistan, serving in His and Her Majesty's wars?

Not in the Australian Army. I'm sure the Indian Army had a fair draft of Muslims, mixed in with the Hindus and Sikhs, the numbers are probably inflated year on year as Islam seeks to legitimise it nationalism.

 

[luutzu]

Not in the Australian Army. I'm sure the Indian Army had a fair draft of Muslims, mixed in with the Hindus and Sikhs, the numbers are probably inflated year on year as Islam seeks to legitimise it nationalism.

Yes, I misread your sleight of hand there

Why would any Muslim want to talk about its nationalism? Not in the current climate.

You can be a third generation, Aussie born and bred, but if you're brown and look like you're praying to Allah... man.

 

[Tisme]

It would be interesting to know what percentage of Muslim born women actually married Christians, atheists, Jews or agnostics and effectively left the "flock" without being threatened or harassed by their relatives.

There's something awry with the brain, when it lets fantasy rule common sense and personal freedom. There has to be merit in the idea that generational indoctrination becomes nature, how else can vulnerability to institutional cooption be explained.

Thankfully Australia still has a fair share of secularists like me.