Islam: Is it inherently Evil?

[noco]

That is an incorrect figure.

93% of REFUGEES are unemployed, you are saying that "moderate Muslims" make up 93% of all unemployed migrants. There are no stats that show that.

Yes you are right and I did correct that.

Did you check out the link?

 

[luutzu]

I knew the 5t back in the day, partied with a lot of viets and knew what a lot of them were into. There were major large scale crimes that were going on. From the fishing industry, gambling, drugs, extortion. Great networks, everyones related to someone.
I think every immigrant group that comes here does a ship load of damage and takes advantage to get themselves ahead.

I don't know very many dodgy Viets at all, honest

There's a reason why Viet temples sprang up all over the place... people tend to go there, donate and confess to Buddha for certain "slight" unethical dealings here and there.

I've heard of a couple of fairly large fortunes that were made in possibly illegal ways. I mean, is it legal to knowingly buy stolen stuff? Like a pallet or two of pricey goods to David Jones and Woolies that fell off the truck once or twice a week; or buy from kids with lots of car radios they want to trade in for cash...

 

[noco]

I don't know very many dodgy Viets at all, honest

There's a reason why Viet temples sprang up all over the place... people tend to go there, donate and confess to Buddha for certain "slight" unethical dealings here and there.

I've heard of a couple of fairly large fortunes that were made in possibly illegal ways. I mean, is it legal to knowingly buy stolen stuff? Like a pallet or two of pricey goods to David Jones and Woolies that fell off the truck once or twice a week; or buy from kids with lots of car radios they want to trade in for cash...

No it is not legal.........That person is a receiver of stolen goods irrespective of whether they are paid for or not and that becomes a criminal offense.....That is the way I have always known it.

 

[Wysiwyg]

I think every immigrant group that comes here does a ship load of damage and takes advantage to get themselves ahead.

The honest and the dishonest. My Grampa came from Italy and when he was old enough he opened a store and later managed a farm. On the other side was the Mafia element. The Greeks and the Italians had a reputation for working for a living and are a large part of post WW's Aust. prosperity.

 

[bellenuit]

Interesting survey for Europe....

https://www.chathamhouse.org/expert/comment/what-do-europeans-think-about-muslim-immigration#

 

[moXJO]

The honest and the dishonest. My Grampa came from Italy and when he was old enough he opened a store and later managed a farm. On the other side was the Mafia element. The Greeks and the Italians had a reputation for working for a living and are a large part of post WW's Aust. prosperity.

Yep knew of plenty of Italians that ran large scale dodgy operations. Every group has them Serbians, Syrian, Chinese. Its amazing the stories you hear.

 

[DB008]

Interesting survey for Europe....

https://www.chathamhouse.org/expert/comment/what-do-europeans-think-about-muslim-immigration#

Are you surprised? I'm not.

Raming trucks into innocent people at markets seems to be the new black, in France and Germany at least. Say anything about it and your deemed a racist/bigot/Islamophobe.

 

[Wysiwyg]

re: video = Head full of ....

 

[noco]

It is not an infiltration by Muslims any more, it now an invasion......If it is not curtailed in Australia, we will have a civil war within the next 20 years.

 

[Wysiwyg]

It is not an infiltration by Muslims any more, it now an invasion......If it is not curtailed in Australia, we will have a civil war within the next 20 years.

It is hard to understand why in the 21st century there are people literally living in the 7th century and physically perpetuating what someone may or may not have spoken or written. Belief can be toxic.

 

[luutzu]

It is not an infiltration by Muslims any more, it now an invasion......If it is not curtailed in Australia, we will have a civil war within the next 20 years.

I thought you would have lived and see enough history yourself to not believe these kind of stuff noco.

Don't most Western countries still have colonies and segregation of some form in the 50s to even the 70s?

I don't think any country ever colonises another through peace and talks.

Not saying that two wrong make a right, or that all Muslims are peaceful; not even saying that Islam are all peace and what not. But to pick facts and certain passages; to look at their cruelty but completely ignore "ours"... that's not history, that's propaganda.

Just look at the US and many of its politicians. They're hell bend on banning gays, women's productive rights, ignore science because God promises this and that... anyway, lots of nut jobs around, from all sides and in pretty much the same proportions too.

I mean, we (rightly) think ISIS are a bunch of crazy farks because they wanted to create a new caliphate and bring back Allah's promise or whatever... they butchered people and threaten to flatten cities. Have you heard the kind of crap some of "our" Western politicians and media figures have been saying? They're equally nuts,and in some cases, they're actually carrying out those crazy stuff, on an industrial scale.

 

[luutzu]

It is hard to understand why in the 21st century there are people literally living in the 7th century and physically perpetuating what someone may or may not have spoken or written. Belief can be toxic.

In most cases, it's because God/Allah is the only thing they have left to hope for.

 

[luutzu]

No it is not legal.........That person is a receiver of stolen goods irrespective of whether they are paid for or not and that becomes a criminal offense.....That is the way I have always known it.

I knew it!

 

[Wysiwyg]

In most cases, it's because God/Allah is the only thing they have left to hope for.

No non human entity speaks to people and gives them a message. If it did it would be happening on a regular basis or offering more guidance and at least in recent years. Thing is in modern more knowing times we identify these people that hear voices as imaginative to insane. If there was a non human entity back then they would not have spoken the sh.. that comes out of adherents mouths. The religious text is completely the thoughts of human being. It is completely and utterly ridiculous. When will people wake up from the dream.

 

[luutzu]

No non human entity speaks to people and gives them a message. If it did it would be happening on a regular basis or offering more guidance and at least in recent years. Thing is in modern more knowing times we identify these people that hear voices as imaginative to insane. If there was a non human entity back then they would not have spoken the sh.. that comes out of adherents mouths. It is completely and utterly ridiculous.

It is ridiculous if we think about it. But that's why they tells us to "have faith", i.e. I know it doesn't make sense, but trust me and trust the leadership.

Then in places and countries where if you don't believe, you kinda get your head rolled... that really help the faith bit. Then there are situations so dire and overwhelming that people would just want to believe that there is some higher power out there who will look after them if only they have faith etc.

 

[SirRumpole]

Then there are situations so dire and overwhelming that people would just want to believe that there is some higher power out there who will look after them if only they have faith etc.

Unfortunately people believe that Allah will look after them in Heaven if they follow his commandments on earth, like killing infidels etc.

That's where the trouble starts.

 

[noco]

It is hard to understand why in the 21st century there are people literally living in the 7th century and physically perpetuating what someone may or may not have spoken or written. Belief can be toxic.

How can you deny the fact that all this happening today and not the 7th century.

 

[luutzu]

Unfortunately people believe that Allah will look after them in Heaven if they follow his commandments on earth, like killing infidels etc.

That's where the trouble starts.

Beside a few crazies, nobody read any book then go start a war. Definitely not against armies with overwhelming force while your band of terrorists got a few boxes of ammo and RPGs.

It'd be a whole lot easier to follow the more peaceful, nicer passages in any religious text. Like not be a total prick, turn the other cheek. To go on Jihad? That's suicidal.

So why are many of them doing it? Because of Islam? Seriously?

Look at Al Qaeda and what became the Taliban. They were recruited, trained and armed by the CIA to fight against the Soviets. They were considered by the US to be "moderate" and heroic freedom fighters; got invited to the White House and have tea with Reagan - true story.

They then commit act of terrorism against the Soviets in Afghanistan and its other territories. That stopped almost immediately when the Soviets withdraw from Afghanistan.

Allah and the Koran ceased to exist then too?

Why did Al Qaeda and Bin Laden turn and attack the US and its interests? Religion? They hate the Western way of sex and alcohol? Maybe they feel that their oil and finite resources ought to belong to their people. Maybe they see the West as their enemies because "we" have military bases on their land, propping up despots and tyrants.

All that could just be fictions of their imagination because... we don't have or do any of those?

But that's geo politic, war and peace stuff.

As to the normal, common people... when you're between a few imperial powers cracking down on a bunch of terrorists; where livelihood is gone and food for the family comes from working for either one of them; where you could walk down the street and be blown up by terrorists... maybe the most sensible way of keeping your sanity and have some hope of a brighter future is to pray and talk to higher beings.

 

[noco]

Beside a few crazies, nobody read any book then go start a war. Definitely not against armies with overwhelming force while your band of terrorists got a few boxes of ammo and RPGs.

It'd be a whole lot easier to follow the more peaceful, nicer passages in any religious text. Like not be a total prick, turn the other cheek. To go on Jihad? That's suicidal.

So why are many of them doing it? Because of Islam? Seriously?

Look at Al Qaeda and what became the Taliban. They were recruited, trained and armed by the CIA to fight against the Soviets. They were considered by the US to be "moderate" and heroic freedom fighters; got invited to the White House and have tea with Reagan - true story.

They then commit act of terrorism against the Soviets in Afghanistan and its other territories. That stopped almost immediately when the Soviets withdraw from Afghanistan.

Allah and the Koran ceased to exist then too?

Why did Al Qaeda and Bin Laden turn and attack the US and its interests? Religion? They hate the Western way of sex and alcohol? Maybe they feel that their oil and finite resources ought to belong to their people. Maybe they see the West as their enemies because "we" have military bases on their land, propping up despots and tyrants.

All that could just be fictions of their imagination because... we don't have or do any of those?

But that's geo politic, war and peace stuff.

As to the normal, common people... when you're between a few imperial powers cracking down on a bunch of terrorists; where livelihood is gone and food for the family comes from working for either one of them; where you could walk down the street and be blown up by terrorists... maybe the most sensible way of keeping your sanity and have some hope of a brighter future is to pray and talk to higher beings.

This is the problem Luu, the Islamic terrorist work on fear and intimidation.....They want you to remember the R-$ole who drove down the street in Melbourne killing 6 people including a 3 month old baby....They want you to remember the the two people killed in the Lynd Cafe in Sydney......They want you to remember how a soldier was run down and beheaded in London.....They want you to remember the recent riots in Melbourne and the blood they shed.

They want you live in fear that you or one of your family might be run down and killed by another maniac.

Pray as much as you like my Luu, but it will not stop these tirades from doing what they are doing.

 

[SirRumpole]

They want you to remember the R-$ole who drove down the street in Melbourne killing 6 people including a 3 month old baby...

Where is the evidence that that incident was terrorism related ?