Islam: Is it inherently Evil?

[luutzu]

Actually it is 93%...Sorry for the mistake.

Perhaps I should rephrase Islam as the Islamic movement patronized by Muslims.

https://theconversation.com/factche...welfare-with-an-unemployment-rate-of-97-54395

If Refugees don't cost us anything, they aren't refugees now are they?

When we help people on a humanitarian basis, unless we're the contractor, we shouldn't expect to make money.

If the gov't want to save the country money and make us all rich, they'd have to give more to the rich. That's the only way.

 

[noco]

If Refugees don't cost us anything, they aren't refugees now are they?

When we help people on a humanitarian basis, unless we're the contractor, we shouldn't expect to make money.

If the gov't want to save the country money and make us all rich, they'd have to give more to the rich. That's the only way.

How did you work out that refugees don't cost us money?....I just posted the cost..........I think you are deluding yourself Luu.

 

[luutzu]

How did you work out that refugees don't cost us money?....I just posted the cost..........I think you are deluding yourself Luu.

I did agree with you that they do cost money.

But that's the point, isn't it? We're trying to be nice and generous and take them it - at our expense. So of course it costs money.

Will the refugees eventually repaid that debt and generosity... that should be the main question noco.

 

[noco]

I did agree with you that they do cost money.

But that's the point, isn't it? We're trying to be nice and generous and take them it - at our expense. So of course it costs money.

Will the refugees eventually repaid that debt and generosity... that should be the main question noco.

Yes it is costing us heaps of money thanks to the stupidity of Rudd and Gillard.

We are being too nice and generous to these bludgers and they are taking full advantage of it.

I doubt they will ever pay back the debt owing to us tax payers if they will be on welfare for the rest of their miserable lives.

 

[luutzu]

Yes it is costing us heaps of money thanks to the stupidity of Rudd and Gillard.

We are being too nice and generous to these bludgers and they are taking full advantage of it.

I doubt they will ever pay back the debt owing to us tax payers if they will be on welfare for the rest of their miserable lives.

You know that I'm a former [?] refugee noco?

Accounting wise, I'm pretty definitely sure I've paid more than all the welfare I've ever received. And I'm one of the black sheep who hasn't bothered much with getting a proper job and overpaying for properties and stuff.

I know it sounds reasonable to think that if only it weren't for refugees and poor people on welfare, our country would be rich and there's money left for the not-so-poor [?] but seriously, where do we get this idea that poor and powerless people get to decide what the gov't does with its money.

 

[Tisme]

You know that I'm a former [?] refugee noco?

Accounting wise, I'm pretty definitely sure I've paid more than all the welfare I've ever received. And I'm one of the black sheep who hasn't bothered much with getting a proper job and overpaying for properties and stuff.

I know it sounds reasonable to think that if only it weren't for refugees and poor people on welfare, our country would be rich and there's money left for the not-so-poor [?] but seriously, where do we get this idea that poor and powerless people get to decide what the gov't does with its money.

Noco did say "I doubt they will ever pay back the debt owing to us tax payers if they will be on welfare for the rest of their miserable lives."

I think a Viet refugee from your era would probably have a demonstrably better work ethic than many sun addled middle eastern work beliefs and values. You just have to recall how hard they worked on street corners and bus stops around the country handing out little plastic envelopes to schoolies while constantly readjusting the awkward machete hidden in their trowsers.

 

[luutzu]

Noco did say "I doubt they will ever pay back the debt owing to us tax payers if they will be on welfare for the rest of their miserable lives."

I think a Viet refugee from your era would probably have a demonstrably better work ethic than many sun addled middle eastern work beliefs and values. You just have to recall how hard they worked on street corners and bus stops around the country handing out little plastic envelopes to schoolies while constantly readjusting the awkward machete hidden in their trowsers.

My parents still don't like living in Cabramatta because of that. They're only a suburb away but that's a big difference to them.

When I was a lot younger, got on a wrong train and ended up in Cabra around 8pm. Dad was supposed to pick me up at Fairfield Station and so I'm stuffed.

Ran around Cabra looking for business that's still open - they close early back then, for certain reasons - and of the handful that were open I asked if I could use their phone to call home.

None of them would let me use their phone.

So it's getting real dark and druggies would come out soon and there I was running around in a panic. Then head towards the station hoping to just get on one.

Then a group of about 5 youth without love (5T) asks if I'm alright. Told them the story and he gave me 50 cents to make a phone call. And they didn't want to recruit me at all.

 

[noco]

My parents still don't like living in Cabramatta because of that. They're only a suburb away but that's a big difference to them.

When I was a lot younger, got on a wrong train and ended up in Cabra around 8pm. Dad was supposed to pick me up at Fairfield Station and so I'm stuffed.

Ran around Cabra looking for business that's still open - they close early back then, for certain reasons - and of the handful that were open I asked if I could use their phone to call home.

None of them would let me use their phone.

So it's getting real dark and druggies would come out soon and there I was running around in a panic. Then head towards the station hoping to just get on one.

Then a group of about 5 youth without love (5T) asks if I'm alright. Told them the story and he gave me 50 cents to make a phone call. And they didn't want to recruit me at all.

Luu, I was a where you were a refugee and I admire you and all the other Vietnamese who have come here, worked hard, learned our language and assimilated into our community but there is no comparison to what we have been saddled with in Muslim community who have taken advantage of out generosity, have caused all sorts of problems with the radicals, the demonstrations and rioting.

Have we had that kind of trouble with the refugees from Vietnam? ....NO.

 

[Value Collector]

Actually it is 93%...Sorry for the mistake.

Perhaps I should rephrase Islam as the Islamic movement patronized by Muslims.

https://theconversation.com/factche...welfare-with-an-unemployment-rate-of-97-54395

As already pointed out your claims are bogus.

You claimed 90% of moderate muslims are on unemployment benefit, can you please provide evidence for this claim.

The link you provided saying 93% percent of refugees are unemployed is for all refugees which includes all religions, It also includes the large amount of refugees who are not allowed to work,

Also, 75% of the people in the study had been in Australia less than 6months, hardly a fair sample.

So back to the original question, where is your evidence that 90% of moderate muslims are unemployed?

 

[Value Collector]

Don't be as lazy as VC...do your own research. I have other things to do.

You made the claim, its up to you to provide the evidence, thats called the burden of proof, you should look it up.

 

[Value Collector]

It's getting harder to judge people on their 'merits' .

Its certainly a lot more reliable than judging them based on religion or country of birth.

 

[luutzu]

Luu, I was a where you were a refugee and I admire you and all the other Vietnamese who have come here, worked hard, learned our language and assimilated into our community but there is no comparison to what we have been saddled with in Muslim community who have taken advantage of out generosity, have caused all sorts of problems with the radicals, the demonstrations and rioting.

Have we had that kind of trouble with the refugees from Vietnam? ....NO.

There were problems. Drug pushing, petty crimes and Australia's first political assassination.

Lucky Pauline was on our case else Cabramatta and Fairfield would have had its street signs written in Chinese by now. Not that the Viets can read Chinese... I guess all Asians look and sound the same anyway

 

[SirRumpole]

I wish you luck with that one buddy...We are already treating the "MODERATE" Muslims well with social welfare cutesy of the Australia Tax payer.....90% are unemployed or unemployable.....We are showing the benefits of society but they just thumb their noses and do what ever they want to do.....When the extremist get enough muscle power, the moderates will have to do as they are told or else they will be beheaded of stoned to death in public.

You obviously have little idea how Islam operate...They are absolutely ruthless.

Once again the noco's lack of research betrays him.

Middle East and North African migrants have a 33% unemployment rate in their first 5 years in Australia, and approach parity after about 20 years.

https://theconversation.com/middle-...utm_source=campaign_monitor&utm_term=explains

That still isn't good , but it's a lot better than "post truth" noco claims.

 

[noco]

Once again the noco's lack of research betrays him.

Middle East and North African migrants have a 33% unemployment rate in their first 5 years in Australia, and approach parity after about 20 years.

https://theconversation.com/middle-eastern-migrants-arent-piling-on-to-the-dole-queue-72418?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Latest from The Conversation for February 8 2017 - 67054895&utm_content=Latest from The Conversation for February 8 2017 - 67054895+CID_1a22d0eef49b5738b4064564ca8d6c15&utm_source=campaign_monitor&utm_term=explains

That still isn't good , but it's a lot better than "post truth" noco claims.

Yes you may be right but nevertheless 93% of all unemployed migrants is still a burden on the tax payer.

 

[SirRumpole]

Yes you may be right but nevertheless 93% of all unemployed migrants is still a burden on the tax payer.

Have you posted a link to your data ?

 

[noco]

Have you posted a link to your data ?

Rumpy, you are slipping old mate.......I posted it on post #1498 which you obviously have not read.

https://theconversation.com/factche...welfare-with-an-unemployment-rate-of-97-54395

 

[moXJO]

My parents still don't like living in Cabramatta because of that. They're only a suburb away but that's a big difference to them.

When I was a lot younger, got on a wrong train and ended up in Cabra around 8pm. Dad was supposed to pick me up at Fairfield Station and so I'm stuffed.

Ran around Cabra looking for business that's still open - they close early back then, for certain reasons - and of the handful that were open I asked if I could use their phone to call home.

None of them would let me use their phone.

So it's getting real dark and druggies would come out soon and there I was running around in a panic. Then head towards the station hoping to just get on one.

Then a group of about 5 youth without love (5T) asks if I'm alright. Told them the story and he gave me 50 cents to make a phone call. And they didn't want to recruit me at all.

I knew the 5t back in the day, partied with a lot of viets and knew what a lot of them were into. There were major large scale crimes that were going on. From the fishing industry, gambling, drugs, extortion. Great networks, everyones related to someone.
I think every immigrant group that comes here does a ship load of damage and takes advantage to get themselves ahead.

 

[SirRumpole]

Rumpy, you are slipping old mate.......I posted it on post #1498 which you obviously have not read.

https://theconversation.com/factche...welfare-with-an-unemployment-rate-of-97-54395

93% is for refugees not general migrants.

You said

I wish you luck with that one buddy...We are already treating the "MODERATE" Muslims well with social welfare cutesy of the Australia Tax payer.....90% are unemployed or unemployable.....

Do you want to clarify your position ?

 

[noco]

93% is for refugees not general migrants.

You said


Do you want to clarify your position ?

I already did on post #1514.

 

[SirRumpole]

I already did on post #1514.

but nevertheless 93% of all unemployed migrants

That is an incorrect figure.

93% of REFUGEES are unemployed, you are saying that "moderate Muslims" make up 93% of all unemployed migrants. There are no stats that show that.