Islam: Is it inherently Evil?

[overhang]

Our Christian heritage is not a religion.

I have no interest in your religion of PC, therefore I will be saying whatever I choose.

Political correctness - the devil!
https://www.aussiestockforums.com/threads/political-correctness-the-devil.13663/

Our heritage has been built on the separation of church and state, something many Christians and Muslims would love to change and still do, so often Christians feel they can tell others how to live their own lives whether that be who can marry, how someone can die or the right to have an abortion.

 

[Tink]

I think I have said enough about our history throughout, overhang.

 

[Wysiwyg]

In reality the only answer is to treat the moderates well, showing them the benefits of secular society, while all along steadily slowing them to become less religious by debunking their religious claims.

With airing this thought, Muslims will grip the book more tightly. It is a test to remain faithful and not be swayed.

 

[Value Collector]

With airing this thought, Muslims will grip the book more tightly. It is a test to remain faithful and not be swayed.

It's worked for Jews and Christians, and it works for muslims too.

Allowing them to practice their faith in peace, while also showing them you don't need the religion to have a good life or be a good person is what has caused western nations become less and less religious over time.

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Tink, you still haven't found the words Jesus, Christian or Bible in our constitution yet have you?

 

[SirRumpole]

Having a religious test / Muslim ban would be stupid.

No need to put a ban on, just move applications from Muslim countries to the end of the list, or require educational standards that they are unlikely to have.

In any case, the arguments for continued immigration are weakening. Wage growth is stagnant which means that there is an oversupply of labour. Technology advances means less people will be needed to deliver services.

We have enough people now, and natural increase will take care of our future needs, we don't need to import more from anywhere.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

No need to put a ban on, just move applications from Muslim countries to the end of the list, or require educational standards that they are unlikely to have.

In any case, the arguments for continued immigration are weakening. Wage growth is stagnant which means that there is an oversupply of labour. Technology advances means less people will be needed to deliver services.

We have enough people now, and natural increase will take care of our future needs, we don't need to import more from anywhere.

I must strongly disagree. Education in Australia is a disgrace compared to most other countries.

We have disinterested students protected by "rights" and disinterested teachers, some of whom know little more than their students protected by "unions "

Give me an overseas trained Engineer or Scientist over a homegrown one any ole day of the week.

gg

 

[SirRumpole]

I must strongly disagree. Education in Australia is a disgrace compared to most other countries.

We have disinterested students protected by "rights" and disinterested teachers, some of whom know little more than their students protected by "unions "

Give me an overseas trained Engineer or Scientist over a homegrown one any ole day of the week.

gg

If our education system is failing, and there is little doubt that it is, then we must improve it, not use imports as a crutch.

Why is it failing ? Because we go for the lowest common denominator where every child gets a prize instead of encouraging curiosity and the desire to learn.

From my position at the political Centre I'd have to say that the Left leaning teacher's unions who just want a soft job without much scrutiny have let our education system down and thereby have let down generations of students, plus the fact that mainly Conservative governments have abandoned public education and left most of the job to the private schools.

Faults on both sides here and it has to be fixed. Better teachers in public schools, better pay and more accountability.

Back to the subject of Islam, they may be some well educated Muslims, but I think most of them would have got their education in Western countries.

 

[noco]

The Jews don't accept the NT, yet they are still able to ignore the bad bits of the ot mostly.

But Noco would have you believe the best way of taking power away from the Islamic extremists is to treat the moderates like crap, thats just silly, causing more polarisation gives power back to the extremists.

In reality the only answer is to treat the moderates well, showing them the benefits of secular society, while all along steadily slowing them to become less religious by debunking their religious claims.

I wish you luck with that one buddy...We are already treating the "MODERATE" Muslims well with social welfare cutesy of the Australia Tax payer.....90% are unemployed or unemployable.....We are showing the benefits of society but they just thumb their noses and do what ever they want to do.....When the extremist get enough muscle power, the moderates will have to do as they are told or else they will be beheaded of stoned to death in public.

You obviously have little idea how Islam operate...They are absolutely ruthless.

 

[Value Collector]

I wish you luck with that one buddy...We are already treating the "MODERATE" Muslims well with social welfare cutesy of the Australia Tax payer.....90% are unemployed or unemployable.....We are showing the benefits of society but they just thumb their noses and do what ever they want to do.....When the extremist get enough muscle power, the moderates will have to do as they are told or else they will be beheaded of stoned to death in public.

You obviously have little idea how Islam operate...They are absolutely ruthless.

Can you provide a link to your source that says 90% of Muslims are unemployed.

Also, you keep talking as if "Islam" is one thing or one group, Islam is not one thing, just as Christianity isn't one thing.

 

[Value Collector]

No need to put a ban on, just move applications from Muslim countries to the end of the list, or require educational standards that they are unlikely to have.

In any case, the arguments for continued immigration are weakening. Wage growth is stagnant which means that there is an oversupply of labour. Technology advances means less people will be needed to deliver services.

We have enough people now, and natural increase will take care of our future needs, we don't need to import more from anywhere.

Why not just judge each person in their merit.

 

[Tink]

Just shows how dumbed down our public schools are.

Too busy teaching children that they are not allowed to use the words boy or girl, and they are not allowed to use the words husband and wife.
Flawed science.

Kick the PC to the curb.

https://www.aussiestockforums.com/threads/chaos-in-australian-education.25851/page-6

 

[Tisme]

I must strongly disagree. Education in Australia is a disgrace compared to most other countries.

We have disinterested students protected by "rights" and disinterested teachers, some of whom know little more than their students protected by "unions "

Give me an overseas trained Engineer or Scientist over a homegrown one any ole day of the week.

gg

I think the various problems can be distilled down to the role of the Principal in schools and dollar chase in higher education.

While there certainly seems to be a degradation in primary, secondary and tertiary outcomes, I think we have to consider what benchmarks we are comparing them to. In my generation I can clearly recall the many students who struggled, the many who left school at end of or before Year 3, etc. The only tests we had were exams and an IQ test in grade 7.

Australia has always had a cultural cringe about itself and it seems we are still content to beat ourselves up. For generation, upon generation we imported skilled workers and white collar bosses .... a taste of Nationalism in the Whitlam years changed that somewhat.

I have posted before how the schools have been so politicised that teachers do not have the scope we think they have in providing broad analogue education..... if they attempt to teach outside the set criteria they are put onto reindoctrination punishment programs. They are by and large robots.

The central characters are the Principals whose goals are to deliver KPIs set by district managers who answer to some head office and govt policy. The rigidity of that system means under performing students are jettisoned when they turn 17, teachers are disciplined harshly and also jettisoned if they try to use flare and initiative that causes a blip on the student performance radar. Permanency in position for teachers is a hard ask, because it takes away the flexibility by Principals to dump anyone that shi7s teh mob.

Engineers, let me tell you one day about the Indian trained "engineers" who have displaced the local and European breeds by taking blue collar wages for "professional" services.

 

[SirRumpole]

Why not just judge each person in their merit.

Recruits to Islamic militant groups are likely to be well educated and relatively wealthy, with those aspiring to be suicide bombers among the best off, a study by the World Bank has found.

The research, based on internal records from the Islamic State group, will reinforce the growing conclusion among specialists that there is no obvious link between poverty or educational levels and radicalisation.

The data, leaked by a disaffected former member of Isis in March, includes basic information on 3,803 foreign recruits from all over the Islamic world and Europe who joined the organisation between early 2013 and late 2014, when the flow of volunteers to the organisation reached a peak.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ecruits-world-bank-study-education-boko-haram

It's getting harder to judge people on their 'merits' .

 

[luutzu]

I think the various problems can be distilled down to the role of the Principal in schools and dollar chase in higher education.

While there certainly seems to be a degradation in primary, secondary and tertiary outcomes, I think we have to consider what benchmarks we are comparing them to. In my generation I can clearly recall the many students who struggled, the many who left school at end of or before Year 3, etc. The only tests we had were exams and an IQ test in grade 7.

Australia has always had a cultural cringe about itself and it seems we are still content to beat ourselves up. For generation, upon generation we imported skilled workers and white collar bosses .... a taste of Nationalism in the Whitlam years changed that somewhat.

I have posted before how the schools have been so politicised that teachers do not have the scope we think they have in providing broad analogue education..... if they attempt to teach outside the set criteria they are put onto reindoctrination punishment programs. They are by and large robots.

The central characters are the Principals whose goals are to deliver KPIs set by district managers who answer to some head office and govt policy. The rigidity of that system means under performing students are jettisoned when they turn 17, teachers are disciplined harshly and also jettisoned if they try to use flare and initiative that causes a blip on the student performance radar. Permanency in position for teachers is a hard ask, because it takes away the flexibility by Principals to dump anyone that shi7s teh mob.

Engineers, let me tell you one day about the Indian trained "engineers" who have displaced the local and European breeds by taking blue collar wages for "professional" services.

So we import both Chiefs and Indians?

 

[SirRumpole]

Engineers, let me tell you one day about the Indian trained "engineers" who have displaced the local and European breeds by taking blue collar wages for "professional" services.

So what are the standards of the Indian engineers ? Better than what we produce here ?

 

[Tisme]

So we import both Chiefs and Indians?

Yes and our own lack of education means we take cues from oracles who guess what is going on rather than taking an integral interest.

Much easier to just enrol your kid in school with a reputation rather than actual substance and bag out the huge state system as wanting.

The kids that succeed are more likely the ones with parents who articulate their desire for a better family education, the school is merely a vehicle and a reflection of the number of concerned parents, rather than the institution itself.

My own is a contracted teacher who is in constant demand for her talents. Where she goes the school performance rises in her cohort and thus the outcomes. Being leading edge subjects she has the rare advantage of actually steering the content to variously overlap university subjects and meet world's best practice. The proofs are her many facebook present and past student friends, many of whom are now successful business leaders, when they would otherwise me poverty trapped in coconut and native suburban subsistence enclaves.

 

[Tisme]

So what are the standards of the Indian engineers ? Better than what we produce here ?

That would be a joke 30 years ago. I must admit, with the dilution of higher education into "specialist" degrees rather than ubiquitous disciplines there is not a whole lot of construction industry engineers who seem to convey confidence of their predecessors. Of course locals draftees aren't stupid, but they seem insipid and more inspired to use nomograms and rules of thumb than actual edge engineering.

At the risk of offending politically/socially sensitive X genners, imports from third world countries are necessarily going to have high skills in survival using rat cunning and low asking wages to take influential vacancies. Engineering in many disciplines is captured by many many codes these days, so not a lot of nous is required, merely the ability to document rehashed specifications and flick pass to contractors.

You can see the differences of Australian engineering and European, merely by watching some youtube flicks on the subject

 

[noco]

Can you provide a link to your source that says 90% of Muslims are unemployed.

Also, you keep talking as if "Islam" is one thing or one group, Islam is not one thing, just as Christianity isn't one thing.

Actually it is 93%...Sorry for the mistake.

Perhaps I should rephrase Islam as the Islamic movement patronized by Muslims.

https://theconversation.com/factche...welfare-with-an-unemployment-rate-of-97-54395

 

[Tisme]

Actually it is 93%...Sorry for the mistake.

Perhaps I should rephrase Islam as the Islamic movement patronized by Muslims.

https://theconversation.com/factche...welfare-with-an-unemployment-rate-of-97-54395

That's for refugees, what about migrant Muslims?

 

[noco]

That's for refugees, what about migrant Muslims?

I think you find most of the refugees are Muslim

Don't be as lazy as VC...do your own research. I have other things to do.