Islam: Is it inherently Evil?

[SirRumpole]

The Soviets left Afghanistan alone after years of trying to take it over.

When they left, Islamic terrorism against their interests stops.

When the Red Coats and the colonials were fighting... what were the yanks doing to the British? What happened afterwards when they normalise relations?

We can go through every country and ever war and see these kind of examples.

As Sun Tzu says, to move soldiers (and unite the people) against an enemy, you must rouse the people to anger.

Why would sane and normal people like you and I permit or shrug or just ignore endless wars against any group of people if we do not believe them to be barbaric savages out there to harm us and the world?

As George Orwell had warned us, don't think that Animal Farm is just about propaganda and state deceptions perpetrated by the Soviets and other authoritarian states... it's also done in open and democratic societies - just that it's harder to see and know it's being done because no one who peacefully oppose it gets to disappear. They just don't get rewarded with high pay and such common thing as rewards for honesty and proper scholarships.

So appeasement is your answer ?

It doesn't work against lunatics, it just makes them feel more empowered.

Neville Chamberlain tried it and it didn't work. Britain endured acts of terrorism against them, night bombings and V2 rocket attacks but they won in the end and the world is better off because they did.

I'm afraid that's the way it will have to be in the current "struggles".

 

[luutzu]

So appeasement is your answer ?

It doesn't work against lunatics, it just makes them feel more empowered.

Neville Chamberlain tried it and it didn't work. Britain endured acts of terrorism against them, night bombings and V2 rocket attacks but they won in the end and the world is better off because they did.

I'm afraid that's the way it will have to be in the current "struggles".

We've been through this.

First, it's not appeasement when if you decide to leave people and terrorists alone, they would not harm you. That's just being neighbourly.

You can't go and beat up your neighbour then says that if you stop now they'll get really mad so you better finish the job. That's insane.

Second, Chamberlain did not appease because he wants peace. That's just propaganda being use to get us into every single war since WW2. I mean, not every country has the industrial and military might, or have the crazed world domination stuff of the Third Reich.

Third, when a peer competitor on the scale of the Third Reich comes along, it's not a bad thing to find peaceful solution because let's face it, anyone of those potential threat do actually have nuclear power. And we, all of us human, cannot bomb our way out of that kind of confrontation.

Another damaging, and this one could be fatal, blow to our democracy and well being with all these wars on terror and anti-Muslim stuff is that it not only divide the country, it diverts our attention from watching our own politicians and their actions.

How many civil liberties and rights have been remove from us for this war on terror?

Anyway...

 

[SirRumpole]

First, it's not appeasement when if you decide to leave people and terrorists alone, they would not harm you. That's just being neighbourly.

No, it's being deluded.

Anyway...

 

[luutzu]

No, it's being deluded.

Anyway...

Yes, people without a properly organised military thought they should get together and take on the military and economic might of the world. All just so their country and themselves could be taken out... all because their religion tells them to hate those who wear bikinis and drink alcohol.

Seriously. That's insane.

 

[SirRumpole]

Yes, people without a properly organised military thought they should get together and take on the military and economic might of the world. All just so their country and themselves could be taken out... all because their religion tells them to hate those who wear bikinis and drink alcohol.

Seriously. That's insane.

ISIS don't have a country. They are aiming for a caliphate somewhere in the ME.

Other Muslim nations are fighting them as well. Do you really think they are the "good guys", or somehow "misunderstood" revolutionaries fighting for freedom ?

 

[Wysiwyg]

Yes, people without a properly organised military thought they should get together and take on the military and economic might of the world.
Seriously. That's insane.

They thought it was possible like any combatant when they enter into conflict. Modern killing machines are more advanced compared to beheading the local cow herder or stray journalist so they were never going to succeed. Now if they got some backing from a well armed country then that would be a game changer.

 

[luutzu]

ISIS don't have a country. They are aiming for a caliphate somewhere in the ME.

Other Muslim nations are fighting them as well. Do you really think they are the "good guys", or somehow "misunderstood" revolutionaries fighting for freedom ?

Who's ISIS? Seriously?

I know there are the ISIS we're all told... and don't get me wrong, I am not defending ISIS or terrorism or any kind of violence, let's get that clear.

Now, who is ISIS?

Everyone "we" fight against in the ME are now ISIS. Everyone Russia fights against, they call them ISIS etc. etc.

Like I've said before, I've watched many interviews of proper journalists and historians, people who actually goes to the place and what they're saying is that ISIS themselves are just a small group of religious psychos we see and hear on TV... most of those who are "ISIS" are former Saddam's military officers whose livelihood were destroyed when the US came in and de-Baath Iraq, setting one sect against the other.. you know, doing what all imperial power tend to do.

Anyway... if at first we can't find WMD, can't bring democracy, can't rebuild their nation in our image, we'll still be there to free them from terrorists.

100 years war alright.

 

[luutzu]

They thought it was possible like any combatant when they enter into conflict. Modern killing machines are more advanced compared to beheading the local cow herder or stray journalist so they were never going to succeed.

Trust me, no body ever thought it's possible to take on a nuclear powered alliance of the willing. They don't need to watch Hollywood movies to realise that.

That's like a five year old walking up to a high schooler to pick a fight.

But once the high schooler goes and beat up the kid, the kid would fight back. Sure the little schrimp will get his azz handed to him, but he will fight back.

 

[noco]

Who's ISIS? Seriously?

I know there are the ISIS we're all told... and don't get me wrong, I am not defending ISIS or terrorism or any kind of violence, let's get that clear.

Now, who is ISIS?

Everyone "we" fight against in the ME are now ISIS. Everyone Russia fights against, they call them ISIS etc. etc.

Like I've said before, I've watched many interviews of proper journalists and historians, people who actually goes to the place and what they're saying is that ISIS themselves are just a small group of religious psychos we see and hear on TV... most of those who are "ISIS" are former Saddam's military officers whose livelihood were destroyed when the US came in and de-Baath Iraq, setting one sect against the other.. you know, doing what all imperial power tend to do.

Anyway... if at first we can't find WMD, can't bring democracy, can't rebuild their nation in our image, we'll still be there to free them from terrorists.

100 years war alright.

ISIS are all still Muslims who practice what is in the Koran.....Lets not try to kid ourselves.

 

[luutzu]

ISIS are all still Muslims who practice what is in the Koran.....Lets not try to kid ourselves.

IF that's the case, what shall we do with all them Muslims noco?

Any solution?

Seriously though, how many countries talks openly about taking over another country; regime change; all options on the table... The only ones that have done it is ISIS.

 

[noco]

IF that's the case, what shall we do with all them Muslims noco?

Any solution?

Seriously though, how many countries talks openly about taking over another country; regime change; all options on the table... The only ones that have done it is ISIS.

ISIS is the Muslim army and well trained just like we have our well trained ADF...
Muslims have civilians and so does Australia.

Muslims want an Islamic world state and that is why there has been a well organized immigration infiltration into Western countries....The Muslims took advantage of Gillards open borders and Angela Merkel's stupidity in Germany and look what has happened there.

Solution : Ban any further entry of Muslims into Australia.....Deport all trouble makers...NO IFS, NO BUTS.

Close all Muslim schools so the kids cannot be brain washed with the teachings of the Koran....The teachings to Muslim kids is to kill all Christians and infidels.

Compel all Muslims now living in Australia to abide by our laws and not try to introduce their own Sharia laws.

If something is not done to curtail the operations of Islam in this country there will be a civil war within the next 20 years.

 

[luutzu]

ISIS is the Muslim army and well trained just like we have our well trained ADF...
Muslims have civilians and so does Australia.

Muslims want an Islamic world state and that is why there has been a well organized immigration infiltration into Western countries....The Muslims took advantage of Gillards open borders and Angela Merkel's stupidity in Germany and look what has happened there.

Solution : Ban any further entry of Muslims into Australia.....Deport all trouble makers...NO IFS, NO BUTS.

Close all Muslim schools so the kids cannot be brain washed with the teachings of the Koran....The teachings to Muslim kids is to kill all Christians and infidels.

Compel all Muslims now living in Australia to abide by our laws and not try to introduce their own Sharia laws.

If something is not done to curtail the operations of Islam in this country there will be a civil war within the next 20 years.

How many laws and constitutional whatever would we break with some of those solutions? Doesn't matter?

I live among the Muslims and even here at ground zero, non-Muslims are not forced to convert or eat Halal or any Sharia Law (the bad kind).

You're somewhat misinformed on the issue noco.

 

[SirRumpole]

I live among the Muslims and even here at ground zero, non-Muslims are not forced to convert or eat Halal or any Sharia Law (the bad kind).

No but Muslims are threatened with death if they leave Islam.

What are your thoughts on that ?

 

[noco]

How many laws and constitutional whatever would we break with some of those solutions? Doesn't matter?

I live among the Muslims and even here at ground zero, non-Muslims are not forced to convert or eat Halal or any Sharia Law (the bad kind).

You're somewhat misinformed on the issue noco.

Misinformed????...Really

Well, my friend I have news for you.

They may not be forced eat to Halal certified foods says you, but I would hazard a guess that they do....If they are found out not doing what the good book states , they could well face persecution.

The polls are showing the majority in Australia think as I do.

Now then who is misinformed...I think you should be doing some research on what the majority of people are saying about Muslims and the Islamic movement.

Why is Pauline Hanson and Cory Bernardi becoming so popular...That must be one hell of a worry for the likes of yourself who are quick to defend Islam and the Muslims.

WE DON'T WANT MORE MUSLIM.

 

[luutzu]

No but Muslims are threatened with death if they leave Islam.

What are your thoughts on that ?

I do like our law and practise of sending in the authorities when anyone threatens anyone, for any reason.

So we already got that covered.

 

[luutzu]

Misinformed????...Really

Well, my friend I have news for you.

They may not be forced eat to Halal certified foods says you, but I would hazard a guess that they do....If they are found out not doing what the good book states , they could well face persecution.

The polls are showing the majority in Australia think as I do.

Now then who is misinformed...I think you should be doing some research on what the majority of people are saying about Muslims and the Islamic movement.

Why is Pauline Hanson and Cory Bernardi becoming so popular...That must be one hell of a worry for the likes of yourself who are quick to defend Islam and the Muslims.

WE DON'T WANT MORE MUSLIM.

All people should be worried about Pauline and co. Even you noco.

Anyway, got work to do.

 

[SirRumpole]

I do like our law and practise of sending in the authorities when anyone threatens anyone, for any reason.

So we already got that covered.

Yeah, people are prosecuted for "honour killings" after the victim is dead.

 

[SuperGlue]

Even when the whole world is converted to one faith or religion there will still be killings and fighting
One religion but will still kill/fight because of our race, because of country, believes, religious sect. etc,. etc. and sometimes because of 5 cents.
Take 5 minutes and think of all the fightings and troubles around the world, most of them are almost of
same religion
It is not the religion that is evil, it is man that wrote or interpret or preaches it from
its original intention from The One up above.

We are only humans.

 

[noco]

All people should be worried about Pauline and co. Even you noco.

Anyway, got work to do.

I am not worried about Pauline...She and Cory are the only two MPs listening to what people think but who are not game to say.

 

[Tisme]

Even when the whole world is converted to one faith or religion there will still be killings and fighting
One religion but will still kill/fight because of our race, because of country, believes, religious sect. etc,. etc. and sometimes because of 5 cents.
Take 5 minutes and think of all the fightings and troubles around the world, most of them are almost of
same religion
It is not the religion that is evil, it is man that wrote or interpret or preaches it from
its original intention from The One up above.

We are only humans.

Yeah I don't subscribe to the "religions are the main cause" for wars and deaths.

Of course before the Brits decided enough was enough and invented parliaments and rule of law, religious institutions used superstition and fear to great effect.