it is messed up when officials (and some people even here) deny the obvious just because it does not fit their belief irreespective of facts;
they tried the same talk in Nice, he killed 30% of muslims so ..(as if it was a proof of anything among these ravid lunatics), was deranged, under mental health treatment, then you learn he had accomplices, had prepared this for months.
Not all murders by Muslims are terrorism sure, but Wurburg, Munich and Nice (people have stopped pretending that last one was just an accident...) are deeply linked to a jihadist religious view.
By denying this, and with people facing facts, not sitting in an armchair in Australia but living it in Europe, that position and denial actually inflames the debate and Europe will end up in a black /white (I do not mean race here) civil war; with many innocents paying [moderate muslims included].
But too many people profit/have profited for years from that situation : both left and right wings for this to stop;
Just another murder Islam has nothing to do with it:
http://www.bild.de/regional/stuttga...-mit-reutlingen-reutlingen-46972048.bild.html
They have an ironic term in France now:
Pasdamalgam-> from "Pas d'amalgame" ->no amalgam/link;
people are so sick of the brainwashing that there is no trust whatsoever left with either media or government releases.
We're upset that innocent people are kill and maim - and we should. But then to advocate ideas that will definitely main and kill other innocent people. Are we suppose to feel better because those innocents we kill are Muslims instead of White and Christian?
99.993% of all Muslims are not Jihadists. More Muslims are killed each year by 'terrorist' organisations than other people....keep things in perspective.
That figure is a fabrication in that it only accounts for those who are known active Jihadists (identified groups such as ISIS and Boko Harem). It would not have included any of the so-called lone wolf terrorists who recently attacked civilians in European cities as none were regarded as active Jihadists (hence they were still at large and at best under surveillance).
The more important figure is the % of muslims who support violent Jihad in some form or other as supporters are also likely to become active depending on circumstance. That figure is in the 20%+ range.
If you look at broader issues that don't come under the banner of violent Jihad, but what we in the West would regard as extreme and intolerable; imposing the death sentence on apostates and homosexuals under Sharia law; support among muslims is 50% plus and up to 90% plus in some countries. Why is a homosexual beheaded under Saudi Sharia law any less "Jihadic" then the same person thrown off a high building in Syria by ISIS.
Muslims and Islam: Key findings in the U.S. and around the world
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/
Thats is the perspective we should have when we discuss the topic Islam is Inherently Evil. The fact that so many people are conditioned to accept the denial of basic freedoms to their fellow citizens purely because they were raised muslim and taught that is OK. Accepting state sponsored murder makes them extremists even though many of them would see themselves as just peaceful muslims obeying the will of Allah.
A lot of innocent people got killed in WW2, in London, Dresden and Hiroshima among others.
If there is a 'war' on terrorism, then innocent people on both sides will die, it's an unfortunate fact.
Do the ends justify the means ? Obviously our leaders think so otherwise they would not be doing drone attacks.
The only reason Christianity and hardcore Christians don't do it is because secular, democratic laws do not permit it.
Hard to admit CanOz but http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/99.993% of all Muslims are not Jihadists. More Muslims are killed each year by 'terrorist' organisations than other people....keep things in perspective.
Hand in glove arrangement, the Christians invented and implemented secular rule of law.... others would tell you otherwise, but we don't rewrite history around here.
When they are allowed to vote, they vote islamist governments for a non secular rule..my God (any) you are so so far from the facts.Egypt Turkey for the latestMuslims and Arabs in the ME wanted democratic, secular form of gov't.
oops bellenuit had sent the link already, look how brainwashed these racists like qldfrog are..
Funnuy how people do accept lessons on shares from people with experience but deny the right for any people with previous experience of that plague to try to guide this country, my country and it means something to me, out of the same mess....
I now can understand the frustration of the jews in the 1930's when trying to convince unsuccessfully Europe of the danger ahead
When they are allowed to vote, they vote islamist governments for a non secular rule..my God (any) you are so so far from the facts.Egypt Turkey for the latest
yes indeed and they want islam rules and sharia law yet read again what youjust wrote about their desire of democracy and secular government;First, if it's democratic then people can vote however they like. You can't just accept the results only if it goes your way.
yes indeed and they want islam rules and sharia law yet read again what youjust wrote about their desire of democracy and secular government;
But life is too short, I leave you to your comfortable delusions.Keep playing the Chamberlain and the nice guy, you will have a nice sticker from the left and may be invited to a multicultural fair.Make sure not to bend too much is all I can say as you are getting done a big way and think of your kids sometimes, especially if you have a daughter.
99.993% of all Muslims are not Jihadists. More Muslims are killed each year by 'terrorist' organisations than other people....keep things in perspective.
How many Western political leaders attend Church and pay lip service to Jesus and the Bible? Practically all of them. You seriously think they follow the Bible's ethical teachings?
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Like it or not, our cultural traditions are based on Judeo/Christian value systems.
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Some of you are missing the point by focussing on terrorism.
We in the west have developed a society with a particular legal and social order. I think we agree that by and large, we like our society, it works reasonably well for us. In particular, women have won the right to be viewed as equals and to behave and dress as they see fit without being subjugated by a patriarchal and misogynistic male establishment.
We have our common and statutory law which for the most part, benefits all as a whole.
Like it or not, our cultural traditions are based on Judeo/Christian value systems.
Terrorism is only one small aspect, the evil of Islam, as far as we are concerned, is its cultural and religious incongruity. Once a critical mass of Muslims infiltrates an area/city/country, things change **and from our perspective** not in a good way.
So you clowns trying to defend Islam in the name of tolerance can go hopping to Hell as far as I'm concerned, you are vandals, the enemy within. I for one am interested in defending our culture.
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