Christmas

[luutzu]

Probably a true statement. Like any society there are builders and there are vandals and in between the majority acquiesce. VC is a vandal and probably does so because it feels right to him at this period in his life...later on when he looks at the ashes he might lament his bravado, or might applaud because things are better for him.

There is no doubt that people tend to start off gungho but gradually deteriorate into conservatism as the wick on their life force dies down. Knocking religion is an easy way of shouting out frustration at nothing better to shout down, which is why I do it so often.

There can be no denying our nation is rooted on the Church of England brand of religion as spiritual and ethical guidance to the rule of law. That's just common sense given the head of state was and still is the governor of the Church and rules by the grace of God....even our Royal Anthem tells God to save her for us. Even the UK govt has reserved seats for the clergy.

I view people coming to this land as invited guests and it is an impudence on their part to criticise and tear down the fabric of our society that extended a feeding hand to them. I reckon it's that indignation and the lay down misere govts we have that drives us to look to the various churches as flag bearers of preservation of our culture over the knuckle dragging primates that have infested our shores. Peace brothers

I still don't know how to answer this one McGuiness.

As lifecycle goes, atheists will have a tougher last few years I think. When we are closer to Earth and farther from the Heaven, there is no God or Buddha to turn to for comfort.. dam it!

Not sure how it came about that people actually worship at a Church some fat monarch created so he could divorce and hang wives he doesn't like. wait... haha

 

[Tisme]

I still don't know how to answer this one McGuiness.

As lifecycle goes, atheists will have a tougher last few years I think. When we are closer to Earth and farther from the Heaven, there is no God or Buddha to turn to for comfort.. dam it!

Not sure how it came about that people actually worship at a Church some fat monarch created so he could divorce and hang wives he doesn't like. wait... haha

The Christian Church is not the buildings the Lords of the Manor and community built for worship, shelter and social events; it is the society of like minded christians who are the Church.

 

[Tink]

Luutzu, that is what I have been saying, and whether I misunderstood what McLovin meant by his comment.

The founding fathers set their country up like that for a reason.

As I said, our laws are based on religious morality and absolute truths.
The State and the Church were set up as separate, for a reason.
They were not made to extinguish the other.

We now have this new double speak by the left, with moral relativism.

If there is no TRUTH, and everything is relative, and there is NO right and wrong.
Then murder can be what you want it to be.
Terrorists aren't doing anything wrong, it is all relative.

Moral relativism makes any kind of justice impossible.
All law systems and judicial systems are based on the premise that certain things are right and wrong.
There can be no real system of justice.

Do you think that is what the founding fathers wanted for their country?

As for Christianity, as I said to VC, you have no idea the depths and the history, of what it has contributed in Western Civilization.

 

[luutzu]

Luutzu, that is what I have been saying, and whether I misunderstood what McLovin meant by his comment.

The founding fathers set their country up like that for a reason.

As I said, our laws are based on religious morality and absolute truths.
The State and the Church were set up as separate, for a reason.
They were not made to extinguish the other.

We now have this new double speak by the left, with moral relativism.

If there is no TRUTH, and everything is relative, and there is NO right and wrong.
Then murder can be what you want it to be.
Terrorists aren't doing anything wrong, it is all relative.

Moral relativism makes any kind of justice impossible.
All law systems and judicial systems are based on the premise that certain things are right and wrong.
There can be no real system of justice.

Do you think that is what the founding fathers wanted for their country?

As for Christianity, as I said to VC, you have no idea the depths and the history, of what it has contributed in Western Civilization.

The official reason the Founding Fathers of the US separate Church from State was liberty, freedom of conscience, getting rid of oppression etc. That is, when an organisation claim its authority from God and have that authority backed up by the country's army, it will suppress all other religion and non-believers.

The real reasons was that they wanted power and don't like the priests who weren't nice to them in the school days.

The only reason Christianity/the Church came to dominance was because Emperor Constantine thought it'd be nice that he became the 13th Apostle of Christ - a living link directly to Christ and hence to God himself. Almost as grand as the Chinese Son of Heaven.

So when the Church came to be a national religion, it quickly go about getting rid of other "cults" and start politiking and forgetting small stuff like feeding the poor and caring for the oppressed. They became the oppressor. That's how all revolutions ends up, the successful ones anyway.

So when the Church's grip on power were separated, it's the separator's way of telling them to go to retirement and pray with God on a farm somewhere, leaving the boring business of state to themselves.

To say that the Church wanted to separate itself from real power so they can care for the spiritual realm... yea that's a nice thought but it's wrong.

That's like saying the British monarchy like to be rubber stamps and tabloid content for the plebs amusement because they're nice people. They were forced to give up power... first to the "nobles" at Runnymede, then Cromwell did a good job at kinda taking over right?

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In terms of Christianity and morality and Western values... Western civilisation existed long before Christ came along; Western system of gov't like democracy and science and reason - they're either before Christianity or does not came from or sanctioned by the Church at all.

But at the individual level, at where most of us plebs are... yea we go to Church, pray and want to do good things. At the upper level where the Bishops and high priests are... it's all politics and master plans for world dominance. And you can't dominate the world through kindness and goodwill, unless you're me or something.

 

[luutzu]

The Christian Church is not the buildings the Lords of the Manor and community built for worship, shelter and social events; it is the society of like minded christians who are the Church.

You know words are free right?
Use many more please. I need things unpacked and with pictures

 

[SirRumpole]

The Christian Church is not the buildings the Lords of the Manor and community built for worship, shelter and social events; it is the society of like minded christians who are the Church.

In other words, it's a social club.

 

[Tisme]

The official reason the Founding Fathers of the US separate Church from State was liberty, freedom of conscience, getting rid of oppression etc.

That might be an official reason, but make no mistake, the Colonists were Anglican and giving power to the King of England via the Church was not on their agenda. Such is the stain of the English, the American Anglicans changed their name to evangelists.... the Church of England's influence on the UK and the USA is manifest in the industrial might of both nations .... it is not a binding covenant that the Catholics, et al have to suffer.

 

[Tisme]

In other words, it's a social club.

.... with an invisible host.

 

[luutzu]

In other words, it's a social club.

See Tisme, I understand that.

 

[luutzu]

That might be an official reason, but make no mistake, the Colonists were Anglican and giving power to the King of England via the Church was not on their agenda. Such is the stain of the English, the American Anglicans changed their name to evangelists.... the Church of England's influence on the UK and the USA is manifest in the industrial might of both nations .... it is not a binding covenant that the Catholics, et al have to suffer.

I didn't know that. All these time just thought they don't like paying taxes to crazy George. There's way too many sects within Christianity.

So why does the Irish adopt Catholicism? Just to peed off the English?

Spain and France are also Catholic aren't they?

 

[SirRumpole]

Ghosts of Christmas past ?

We are into the New Year now.

 

[Tisme]

I didn't know that. All these time just thought they don't like paying taxes to crazy George. There's way too many sects within Christianity.

So why does the Irish adopt Catholicism? Just to peed off the English?

Spain and France are also Catholic aren't they?

I'll let you look up the chronology

 

[Value Collector]

.... with an invisible host.

Imaginary host is a more fitting term, saying invisible gives the impression it is there.

 

[SirRumpole]

Imaginary host is a more fitting term, saying invisible gives the impression it is there.

Are the characters in a simulation game aware of their programmer ?

Some pretty interesting things are going on with artificial intelligence. If we can do it there is no reason to say someone else hasn't.

 

[Tisme]

Are the characters in a simulation game aware of their programmer ?

Some pretty interesting things are going on with artificial intelligence. If we can do it there is no reason to say someone else hasn't.

I think the old anecdote was "If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"

 

[Value Collector]

Are the characters in a simulation game aware of their programmer ?

Some pretty interesting things are going on with artificial intelligence. If we can do it there is no reason to say someone else hasn't.

The time to believe in the programmer is when we have evidence for it, starting a social club to worship said programmer, and claiming to know what he wants of you and who he thinks you should sleep with is a bit off in my opinion.

 

[SirRumpole]

starting a social club to worship said programmer, and claiming to know what he wants of you and who he thinks you should sleep with is a bit off in my opinion.

I agree, but absence of evidence is not necessarily evidence of absence.

 

[luutzu]

I agree, but absence of evidence is not necessarily evidence of absence.

How about evidence to the contrary? There's plenty of that.

 

[SirRumpole]

How about evidence to the contrary? There's plenty of that.

Such as ?

 

[luutzu]

Such as ?

Dinosaurs.

Other gods and deities in other cultures - God can't really be just what a few ME tribes said it is.

Earth is not 5,000 years old or however old Adam is since he beget this and that and start more incestuous relations than can be found in Tasmania [haha]

The sun is but one star in a universe of hundreds of millions of them; each star being a solar system with planets revolving around it - very high chance that other intelligent lifeform exists beyond Earth.

You can't take people who deny evolution and dinosaurs, then when the science is too much thought well Man walks with dinosaurs too.

Oil - organic organism died, washed into lakes or seas, covered in sand and over millions of years turn to fossil fuel. God created the world in six days and five thousand years later we have them?

No religion are taken seriously if the State did not sponsor it. They'd be as funny and crazy as Scientology. Kings and emperors decrees make worshiping bs respectable.