Christmas

[Tom32]

Dinosaurs.

Other gods and deities in other cultures - God can't really be just what a few ME tribes said it is.

Earth is not 5,000 years old or however old Adam is since he beget this and that and start more incestuous relations than can be found in Tasmania [haha]

The sun is but one star in a universe of hundreds of millions of them; each star being a solar system with planets revolving around it - very high chance that other intelligent lifeform exists beyond Earth.

You can't take people who deny evolution and dinosaurs, then when the science is too much thought well Man walks with dinosaurs too.

Oil - organic organism died, washed into lakes or seas, covered in sand and over millions of years turn to fossil fuel. God created the world in six days and five thousand years later we have them?

No religion are taken seriously if the State did not sponsor it. They'd be as funny and crazy as Scientology. Kings and emperors decrees make worshiping bs respectable.

They are not endorsing any particular religion or its beliefs. If you have about 50 hours spare watch battlestar galactica then you will know what they mean. for that matter for about 15hours you could listen to hitchhikers guide to the Galaxy and get to the same result.

As they point out if you believe humans can come up with artificial intelligence in the next 1000years than in our near infinite universe, who is to say we are not some giant experiment of another race of beings.

Once you have artificial intelligence things are likely to move quite quickly in ways we cannot for now understand.

We might all have a SIM card (soul?) in our heads for which only the believers get theirs uploaded to the cloud upon death for an eternity on the servers. I don't know from logic / science, only believe through faith in my religion, but as sir rumple said absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

 

[SirRumpole]

Dinosaurs.

Other gods and deities in other cultures - God can't really be just what a few ME tribes said it is.

Earth is not 5,000 years old or however old Adam is since he beget this and that and start more incestuous relations than can be found in Tasmania [haha]

The sun is but one star in a universe of hundreds of millions of them; each star being a solar system with planets revolving around it - very high chance that other intelligent lifeform exists beyond Earth.

You can't take people who deny evolution and dinosaurs, then when the science is too much thought well Man walks with dinosaurs too.

Oil - organic organism died, washed into lakes or seas, covered in sand and over millions of years turn to fossil fuel. God created the world in six days and five thousand years later we have them?

No religion are taken seriously if the State did not sponsor it. They'd be as funny and crazy as Scientology. Kings and emperors decrees make worshiping bs respectable.

I agree that a God is most unlikely to be what religions says it is, and I think that evolution is the most likely explanation for the development of life, but evolution (and the physical/chemical/biological laws) are a set of principles discovered by man, but what created these laws ?

There seem only two answers, an intelligent Being or a gigantic accident. Take your pick.

 

[Tisme]

Dinosaurs.

Other gods and deities in other cultures - God can't really be just what a few ME tribes said it is.

Earth is not 5,000 years old or however old Adam is since he beget this and that and start more incestuous relations than can be found in Tasmania [haha]

The sun is but one star in a universe of hundreds of millions of them; each star being a solar system with planets revolving around it - very high chance that other intelligent lifeform exists beyond Earth.

You can't take people who deny evolution and dinosaurs, then when the science is too much thought well Man walks with dinosaurs too.

Oil - organic organism died, washed into lakes or seas, covered in sand and over millions of years turn to fossil fuel. God created the world in six days and five thousand years later we have them?

No religion are taken seriously if the State did not sponsor it. They'd be as funny and crazy as Scientology. Kings and emperors decrees make worshiping bs respectable.

So Luutzu owns a junk yard and he decides he's going to homologate a car from spare parts he has amassed over the years; newish donor vehicles and those dating back to last century. He spends 6 days creating his masterpiece and on Sunday he goes down the pub for some R&R.

A few short years later Luutzu has better things to do than keep track of where his beastie is, but some bright spark decides he knows this car evolved from an old car, with new bits added over time ... an evolutionary vehicle.

It's fairly obvious the dinosaur bones are landfill of whatever God could cobble together from the other planets before He cleaned house on the prototype greenhouses, like Mars, etc.

Is it that hard for people to understand recycling for goodness sakes

 

[nickg198]

Hi Everyone

My name is Neil Gaiman from Queensland Australia. Let me know How going Christmas and New Year 2016 ?

 

[luutzu]

So Luutzu owns a junk yard and he decides he's going to homologate a car from spare parts he has amassed over the years; newish donor vehicles and those dating back to last century. He spends 6 days creating his masterpiece and on Sunday he goes down the pub for some R&R.

A few short years later Luutzu has better things to do than keep track of where his beastie is, but some bright spark decides he knows this car evolved from an old car, with new bits added over time ... an evolutionary vehicle.

It's fairly obvious the dinosaur bones are landfill of whatever God could cobble together from the other planets before He cleaned house on the prototype greenhouses, like Mars, etc.

Is it that hard for people to understand recycling for goodness sakes

yea that makes sense, after half a carton.

 

[luutzu]

I agree that a God is most unlikely to be what religions says it is, and I think that evolution is the most likely explanation for the development of life, but evolution (and the physical/chemical/biological laws) are a set of principles discovered by man, but what created these laws ?

There seem only two answers, an intelligent Being or a gigantic accident. Take your pick.

Maybe it's just randomness. All the laws and theories the eggheads discovered may work under most circumstances but they are never really "complete". Most science and conclusions have a bunch of assumptions and conditions and controls attached.

Too deep for me

 

[luutzu]

They are not endorsing any particular religion or its beliefs. If you have about 50 hours spare watch battlestar galactica then you will know what they mean. for that matter for about 15hours you could listen to hitchhikers guide to the Galaxy and get to the same result.

As they point out if you believe humans can come up with artificial intelligence in the next 1000years than in our near infinite universe, who is to say we are not some giant experiment of another race of beings.

Once you have artificial intelligence things are likely to move quite quickly in ways we cannot for now understand.

We might all have a SIM card (soul?) in our heads for which only the believers get theirs uploaded to the cloud upon death for an eternity on the servers. I don't know from logic / science, only believe through faith in my religion, but as sir rumple said absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Will catch up on the Hitchhiker's guide... There was a movie some years back - was it based on the same book? I saw the movie and thought it's too British, haha... have to be in a mood for that kind of movie.


If we approach religion from a political point of view - see it as a tool of state. It kind of answer everything.

Zeus and the Olympian gods/goddesses are no longer around - or prayed to. Why? New kids on the block got a few armed prophets telling us Zeus aren't real.

 

[Tom32]

Will catch up on the Hitchhiker's guide... There was a movie some years back - was it based on the same book? I saw the movie and thought it's too British, haha... have to be in a mood for that kind of movie.

You wAnt to get hold of the original radio show I reckon. I don't think the movie covers a lot of the ground (well it couldn't given it goes for only a fraction of the time) that is covered I. The radio show.

One potential problem for you though is that the radio show is even more British than the movie.

On your other point around politics and religion: I guess I cannot disagree given the church I would claim to belong to is a product in large part (apart from the base of it which is still Christianity) of the English crown rather than a priest or prophet.

 

[SirRumpole]

One potential problem for you though is that the radio show is even more British than the movie.

That's not a problem.

The problem is that the movie was too "American".

 

[Value Collector]

How about evidence to the contrary? There's plenty of that.

Exactly, not being able to disprove a god exists is completely different from debunking positive god claims,

Eg, I can't prove no god exists, but the bible creation story can be easily debunked, because it makes some positive claims which can be shown to be untrue.

 

[Tisme]

Exactly, not being able to disprove a god exists is completely different from debunking positive god claims,

Eg, I can't prove no god exists, but the bible creation story can be easily debunked, because it makes some positive claims which can be shown to be untrue.

I don't know if you have succeeded yet, but keep trying VC. So far I think you have been batting zero, with your opinions predicated on unverifiable facts....just sayin'

 

[Value Collector]

I don't know if you have succeeded yet, but keep trying VC. So far I think you have been batting zero, with your opinions predicated on unverifiable facts....just sayin'

Succeeded in what?

And which of my opinions is based on an unverifiable fact?

 

[Tisme]

Succeeded in what?

And which of my opinions is based on an unverifiable fact?

Well, for instance, you base some of your truths on invisibility meaning non existence, yet we breath invisible stuff, we think via invisible brain activity, we have never really seen a man walking on the moon first hand, but we believe it to be true,

You believe dinosaurs walked the earth because fossils and dating methods say so, yet we know animal species disappear in one generation (e.g. Tassie Devil). We somehow know all about 100s of millions years ago, but we can't even get recent history right amongst pointy heads.

You refuse to verify your unimpeachable source that a greater being exists, preferring to defer to twats from England who talk like pompous twits. You want believers to produce God to prove his existence, but I bet you are happy to accept there is gold in Fort Knox, without insisting on seeing it.

just saying

 

[luutzu]

You wAnt to get hold of the original radio show I reckon. I don't think the movie covers a lot of the ground (well it couldn't given it goes for only a fraction of the time) that is covered I. The radio show.

One potential problem for you though is that the radio show is even more British than the movie.

On your other point around politics and religion: I guess I cannot disagree given the church I would claim to belong to is a product in large part (apart from the base of it which is still Christianity) of the English crown rather than a priest or prophet.

Listening to it now. BBC radio version. Will need total concentration for this one then...

 

[luutzu]

That's not a problem.

The problem is that the movie was too "American".

What's wrong with American movies? They suk for the best of reasons

Quite enjoy the few British movies and series. Saw entire series of Downton Abbey - it's a bit overrated I think. The latest Sherlock with Cumberbach is pretty good - especially season 1. Jane Austen series I thought was cool... The latest version of Persuasion was awesome.

Shakespeare... they really need to dumb that down and speak English so I can appreciate it. Was dragged by my wife to see King Lear last Boxing Day... when you modernise the costumes I think you ought to put effort into modernising the language too please. I've read great prose written around Shakespeare's time, a talented writer can modernise and capture at least most of its essense and the audience would actually understand and love the stuff rather than pretending to.

I saw Kurosawa's adaptation of King Lear - Ran - and thought it was just amazing, one of the best movie I've ever seen - and I understand it even though it's in Japanese.

 

[SirRumpole]

What's wrong with American movies?

Where should I start ?

When you hear American accents playing historical non American characters that's cr@p for starters.

Then there is gratuitous violence, bad taste and pursuance of the American way, ie survival of the richest, America is always right, they are God's chosen people etc etc.

 

[luutzu]

Well, for instance, you base some of your truths on invisibility meaning non existence, yet we breath invisible stuff, we think via invisible brain activity, we have never really seen a man walking on the moon first hand, but we believe it to be true,

You believe dinosaurs walked the earth because fossils and dating methods say so, yet we know animal species disappear in one generation (e.g. Tassie Devil). We somehow know all about 100s of millions years ago, but we can't even get recent history right amongst pointy heads.

You refuse to verify your unimpeachable source that a greater being exists, preferring to defer to twats from England who talk like pompous twits. You want believers to produce God to prove his existence, but I bet you are happy to accept there is gold in Fort Knox, without insisting on seeing it.

just saying

Air is invisible but can be felt and yes, breathed in. Without its presence we die so we know it exists.

Brain wave we can't see but we can measure and know it works through synapses and electrical this and that. So we can prove it exists.

God only seem to exists because a few people started to believe some guy who hear voices and talk to noone but claim he's not crazy or Schizophrenic. That or they see some natural disaster or event and could say with a straight face he know it's the big man upstairs doing it and only he knows why.

So while air and brainwave we can't live without, literally... God or any Creator we can... and when there are many to choose from. If we aren't happy with the existing ones we can always create and imagine new ones

 

[Value Collector]

Well, for instance, you base some of your truths on invisibility meaning non existence, yet we breath invisible stuff, we think via invisible brain activity, we have never really seen a man walking on the moon first hand, but we believe it to be true,

You believe dinosaurs walked the earth because fossils and dating methods say so, yet we know animal species disappear in one generation (e.g. Tassie Devil). We somehow know all about 100s of millions years ago, but we can't even get recent history right amongst pointy heads.

You refuse to verify your unimpeachable source that a greater being exists, preferring to defer to twats from England who talk like pompous twits. You want believers to produce God to prove his existence, but I bet you are happy to accept there is gold in Fort Knox, without insisting on seeing it.

just saying

Nope, I never said that because something is invisable it doesn't exist, we can demonstrate that air, brain activity exist through other tests, the god claims have never been demonstrated to be true.

Well fossils prove that dinosaurs existed, and we have dinosaur foot prints, so that proves they "walked the earth" just in case the fact they had legs wasn't proof enough.

It's easier to believe gold exists in Fort Knox, because There is proof gold exists, gold itself can be demonstrated, whether it exists inside of Fort Knox or not doesn't really bother me.

You have to have good reasons to believe things, I have never been presented with a good reason to believe any of the god claims are true.

What's your best piece of evidence for a god?

 

[SirRumpole]

What's your best piece of evidence for a god?

The natural laws of physics, chemistry and biology that work together to allow the universe to exist and life to develop.

How did they come about ?

No one has given a satisfactory explanation of how they were created.

Richard Dawkins says he doesn't know, he just doesn't want to believe a God did it but he can't prove otherwise.

 

[Tink]

VC, you are just in denial of our history and how this country was established.
Thank GOD, Joe believes in freedom of speech, because if it was up to you, we would all be living in a dictatorship, as we can see happening in Melbourne.

Anti-life, anti-Christian, anti-family.

Tisme's quote in the other thread was spot on with the constitution --

'Life and Liberty, and the Judeo-Christian view'

What our laws were built on.

-- In a true spontaneous order, the constraints are already there, in the form of customs, laws, and morals