Asylum immigrants - Green Light

[sptrawler]

It's largely going to come down to behind-closed-doors diplomacy with Indonesia in my view.

A consequence of Labor's policy outcome is that our position is obviously weakened and it's with a country who in the past we have had difficult relations with.

It would be easy, asylum seekers are costing us $5b per year. Abbott says to Indonesia, we will give you $1b per year if you help stop the boats.
Problem solved.

 

[drsmith]

Another day of Labor in government, a new depth of policy failure.

Now the dead are being left for shark food.

AUSTRALIAN authorities are too busy with "high-priority" operations to immediately recover the floating bodies of asylum-seekers whose boat sank near Christmas Island.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...sman-ian-rintoul/story-fn9hm1gu-1226661186739

 

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Questions that the Australian government/s of all persuasions should put to Indonesia:

• If your stated religion Islam is a religion of Peace, how come Muslims keep killing each other and displace so many people from their countries?
• If Islam is a religion of compassion, how come Indonesia and Malaysia, the countries with the largest Islamic population, are not willing to accept their brethren in Faith and even refuse to sign the pertinent UN Resolution?
• If Islam is a religion of submission under Allah's will, how come that when Muslims, claiming to be refugees, get themselves into trouble off the coast of Indonesia, it's suddenly no longer Allah's will, but the responsibility of a Western country (governed by Christians and Infidels) to pull them out of the water?

Maybe Australia should NOT have signed the UN resolutions before our Muslim neighbours did.

 

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Another day of Labor in government, a new depth of policy failure.

Now the dead are being left for shark food.

Why is it our policy failure when criminals (and I'm only referring to the people smugglers!) don't care about maritime safety? And with yet another boatload in trouble, who is more important: the living or the dead?

 

[drsmith]

Why is it our policy failure when criminals (and I'm only referring to the people smugglers!) don't care about maritime safety? And with yet another boatload in trouble, who is more important: the living or the dead?

Fair questions, but they relate to the consequences, not the cause.

 

[sptrawler]

Fair questions, but they relate to the consequences, not the cause.

The cause, a dumb government propped up by dumber independents, supporting an ideologically stupid green policy.IMO

 

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Fair questions, but they relate to the consequences, not the cause.

The main cause is disunity among Muslim leaders, who allow a radical minority to pervert Islam and turn on each other. External intervention, e.g. in Iraq and Afghanistan, has made matters worse by degrees; the Bush-Blair-Howard policy of "Shock and Awe" has sparked a massive recruitment drive towards Islamo-Fascism. The refugee camps full of displaced Muslims are a consequence of those two causes.

 

[drsmith]

The cause to which I'm referring is the Rudd and Gillard government's border protection policies.

Even Bob Carr has admitted we are attracting economic refugees.

 

[sptrawler]

The main cause is disunity among Muslim leaders, who allow a radical minority to pervert Islam and turn on each other. External intervention, e.g. in Iraq and Afghanistan, has made matters worse by degrees; the Bush-Blair-Howard policy of "Shock and Awe" has sparked a massive recruitment drive towards Islamo-Fascism. The refugee camps full of displaced Muslims are a consequence of those two causes.

Well why don't the displaced just move to a muslim based country like Indonesia?
Why try to relocate to christian based countries?

 

[Bintang]

Well why don't the displaced just move to a muslim based country like Indonesia?
Why try to relocate to christian based countries?

Because:
1) Indonesia will not take them.
2) There is no 'dole' or other handouts for them in Indonesia (the country doesn't even have a social safety net for its own poor. They just rot on the streets when the have no money)
3) It is very difficult even for a foreigner who is married to an Indonesian to be able to live in the country. No such thing as permanent residence. Constant renewal of visas, residence permits, identy cards etc at great expense.
4) Indonesia is racist and xenophobic.

Anyone who is familiar with what I am talking about also knows that allowing asylum seekers to pass through Indonesia is lucrative business for 'officials'. They are not going to give it up easily - to much money involved now and its a growth business.

 

[Julia]

Why is it our policy failure when criminals (and I'm only referring to the people smugglers!) don't care about maritime safety? And with yet another boatload in trouble, who is more important: the living or the dead?

Fair questions, but they relate to the consequences, not the cause.

Perhaps, but the immediate question is whether the bodies should be recovered. Personally, I support the decision not to pursue retrieving them.
That would at least be a small indication of a more hardline policy by Australia.

 

[noco]

Well why don't the displaced just move to a muslim based country like Indonesia?
Why try to relocate to christian based countries?

This is a world wide Islamic plot, which includes Indonesia, to infiltrate the Western World to gain world domination and Indonesia is assisting and going hell for leather before the 14th September election.

It has happened in Eorope, Cananda and the USA and it is now rife here in Auistralia.

 

[Bintang]

This is a world wide Islamic plot, which includes Indonesia, to infiltrate the Western World to gain world domination and Indonesia is assisting and going hell for leather before the 14th September election.

It has happened in Eorope, Cananda and the USA and it is now rife here in Auistralia.

In Indonesia there is only a tiny group of radicals who might pursue that cause. The rest have a very different but simple pursuit - it is called money.

 

[drsmith]

Perhaps, but the immediate question is whether the bodies should be recovered. Personally, I support the decision not to pursue retrieving them.
That would at least be a small indication of a more hardline policy by Australia.

In the context of the current situation, it's obviously more appropriate to prioritise the living over the dead, but that's an issue of resource allocation.

It says nothing about Australia's line on this, hard or otherwise

 

[sptrawler]

In the context of the current situation, it's obviously more appropriate to prioritise the living over the dead, but that's an issue of resource allocation.

It says nothing about Australia's line on this, hard or otherwise

Agree it sounds like our resources are stretched to the max, that might be due to a massive inrush before September.
If the Labor Government wasn't so inwardly focused, they would call an election and bring this chaos to an end.

Who do they think they are representing when 70% of the population don't want them, one wonders the motivation.

 

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Agree it sounds like our resources are stretched to the max, that might be due to a massive inrush before September.
If the Labor Government wasn't so inwardly focused, they would call an election and bring this chaos to an end.

Who do they think they are representing when 70% of the population don't want them, one wonders the motivation.

I think it's been more the Green tail wagging the red dog.
But if anyone believes a return to the 1950's will serve Australia much better - I don't either.
Pollies being pollies, I reckon we'll find that a government that couldn't really do much because of a hung parliament was doing a lot less damage than the next one that can do anything it wants because it gets away with it.

 

[Calliope]

I think it's been more the Green tail wagging the red dog.
But if anyone believes a return to the 1950's will serve Australia much better - I don't either.
Pollies being pollies, I reckon we'll find that a government that couldn't really do much because of a hung parliament was doing a lot less damage than the next one that can do anything it wants because it gets away with it.

The present parliament has never been a "hung parliament". For the last three years Labor/Greens have commanded a majority in both houses. The Greens, who control the senate, will always be more supportive to Labor than to the Coalition.

The Greens have never wavered in their support of Labor laxity in allowing illegal Muslim immigrants to flood the country.

 

[chops_a_must]

Perhaps, but the immediate question is whether the bodies should be recovered. Personally, I support the decision not to pursue retrieving them.
That would at least be a small indication of a more hardline policy by Australia.

I suspect that there is a bit of subtext here.

A lot of the navy boys here in Darwin are dealing with significant PTSD issues from body retrieval.

After just a couple of hours in the water, it is likely that arms, legs, heads and the body will fall part and pull of when being recovered.

Apologies to anyone who has lost someone to drowning.

 

[Knobby22]

I suspect that there is a bit of subtext here.

A lot of the navy boys here in Darwin are dealing with significant PTSD issues from body retrieval.

After just a couple of hours in the water, it is likely that arms, legs, heads and the body will fall part and pull of when being recovered.

Apologies to anyone who has lost someone to drowning.

That's what I was thinking also chops.
A truly gruesome task -and for what?

 

[Aussiejeff]

Consider this....

Why not excise Christmas Island from Australian control and gift it to our Indonesian buddies? Just compensate the existing legal inhabitants (move to mainland if they want to + new housing). Huge reduction in on-going costs for us.

plus

Indonesia get some nice piles of bird poo to mine + a very close strategic outpost to help control the people smugglers currently leaving their shores in droves to go to Aussie Christmas Island. If the island is Indonesian however, how many are then going to head direct for Oz mainland to bypass it? Very, very few I believe.

Win, win all round? I'm not the only one with a favorable view to this idea

http://oursay.org/hangout-with-the-...se-to-indonesia-and-a-long-way-from-australia