Asylum immigrants - Green Light

[IFocus]

Michael Smith has the tally for May on his site.

http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2013/06/illegal-boat-arrivals-for-the-month-of-may-2013.html

3399 in total. At that rate we'll get over 40,000 arrivals per year. This is well in excess of what the government provides for in it's budget.

For the first 3 days of June so far, there's another three boat arrival announcements on Jason Clare's site totalling 301 passengers.

Once we pull out of Afghanistan and it blows up then you will real numbers arriving this currently is just a small trickle IMHO

 

[drsmith]

Once we pull out of Afghanistan and it blows up then you will real numbers arriving this currently is just a small trickle IMHO

The harsh reality is that under Labor, the numbers would just continue to grow until their was rioting in the streets.

History will judge their abandonment of border protection harshly, as will the electorate.

 

[drsmith]

For the first 3 days of June so far, there's another three boat arrival announcements on Jason Clare's site totalling 301 passengers.

I have to issue a correction.

One of those announcements was for vessels. It's 4 for 387 passengers.

 

[Calliope]

No one will admit that it was a mistake to bring black Africans from a war-torn environment to this country. They are still continuing their tribal warfare, but now it is against white Australians. The police in their "wisdom" are going to discuss the thuggery with the "elders".

 

[drsmith]

All indications are that it's chaos.

Asylum seekers involved in violent attacks while in immigration detention are being released into the community, including one man who assaulted staff and was involved in more than 250 incidents.

The violent detainees are released before security checks into their background are completed, according to an insider with intimate knowledge of the detention system.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/polit...-the-streets-says-insider-20130606-2ns1w.html

 

[bigdog]

I can believe what Pickering has reported today
http://pickeringpost.com/article/som...the-wheel/1459

SOMEONE'S ASLEEP AT THE WHEEL
Larry Pickering



As illegal immigration becomes the major election issue, a culture of indifference by authorities as to who enters our borders has slowly emerged. Here’s just one reason why... explained by one of many exasperated AFP whistle-blowers.

“Giving them phones was an expensive way to discover who they are but if they arrived by boat without any form of ID it was really the only way we had”, according to the AFP officer. “But now it’s all gone wrong!”

Millions of dollars spent on supplying phones and paying for calls (up to $20,000 a quarter for a single male detainee) has allowed ASIO to track their contacts via conversations and texts back to family members.

“ ...they got smart, they used coded messages, but by using interpreters we could mostly figure out what they were saying... well, that’s when we could trust the interpreters.

“Some of them spent 8 hours every day on the phone and we needed a full-time person plus an interpreter for each detainee to try to unscramble it all”, said the officer who spent 18 months at a major detention centre.

He asked that I not name the centre.

There was frustration and hopelessness in his demeanour as he explained the process in past tense:

“Sometimes we knew they were up to no good but if we knocked them back they just used the appeals process to have our security rulings overturned.

"It was almost impossible to legally prove intent when they talked in coded stuff and in different dialects. Now it’s just one big mess. Everyone’s given up.

"These guys are too smart and we have made it easier for them.”

Was frustration the reason he asked for a transfer?
“Yeah, it’s a crazy system. These guys threw any ID they had overboard knowing it would take us months, even years, to discover who they were and in the meantime they were allowed to live in our suburbs on bridging visas with 89% of the Newstart allowance and all sorts of other ****.

“The worst part is when we know there’s something dodgy about a detainee but we can’t legally prove it. We have to ignore it or we get tied up with one guy in an appeals tribunal instead of rushing to try to process the thousands of waiting arrivals before they get released on these damned bridging visas.

“It’s reached a stage now that, unless you were Osama bin Laden’s Imam, they will wave you through. There’s just too many of them.”

It appears from many other sources of information, the processing of illegal immigrants has become nigh impossible and those responsible for border control have all but given up.

It’s another classic case of throwing voluminous amounts money at a problem and simply walking away from it.

Deceiving our security protocols has become an Islamic art form.

Cell phones might have been a bright idea initially but with tens of thousands used for free calls to each other, and back to their countries of origin, they now know more about us than we do about them.

Immigration has built Australia, we need it and welcome it but we must know who our immigrants are.

The moneyed Islamists have discovered a way to reside here, unidentified, while destitute, legitimate refugees sit rotting and starving in cages in Malaysia.

You can forget Labor’s museum of other disasters, unless this one is fixed soon we better start looking for another island.

 

[drsmith]

This government isn't asleep at the wheel, it's dead at the wheel.

 

[sptrawler]

I heard today, the government is going to dump 60 refugees into Collie W.A.
I hope that works well for them, it certainly will be an litmus test for the government.

It is a safe labor seat, but isn't a place for the faint hearted.

 

[drsmith]

11 boats carrying 816 passengers over the past week. This compares to 5 boats carrying 313 passengers for the same period last year.

http://www.jasonclare.com.au/media/portfolio-releases/home-affairs-and-justice-releases.html

2 boats on 07/06/2013

 

[drsmith]

It looks like another boat has sunk.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/na...sylum-boat-sinks/story-fni0xqrb-1226660484653

Paul Kelly's views,

Gillard's tragedy is that she is much misunderstood on border protection. As PM, she tried to impose a tougher policy than anything from Howard.

This was the Malaysian people swap. It was vetoed by the High Court and Abbott then vetoed Gillard's proposed laws to make the deal constitutional.

Indeed, Abbott and Morrison destroyed Gillard's position on human rights grounds. Her boat people policy has never recovered.

As for Rudd, he misread this issue as PM, weakened Howard's policy in an act of moral vanity and pretended there would be no consequences. For Labor, there is no redemption on boat policy. The government, divided from within and attacked from without, is broken on this issue.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opi...ne-sinking-labor/story-e6frg74x-1226659594530

 

[sptrawler]

I heard today, the government is going to dump 60 refugees into Collie W.A.
I hope that works well for them, it certainly will be an litmus test for the government.

It is a safe labor seat, but isn't a place for the faint hearted.

If you want to follow the progress of this story here is a link to the local paper.

http://www.colliemail.com.au/

 

[drsmith]

The initial part of the interview with Bob Carr is telling in how it highlights Labor's failure.

The best he can offer though is to argue that the Coalition can't fix it.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...m-seeker-sinking/story-e6frg6nf-1226660778375

 

[sptrawler]

The initial part of the interview with Bob Carr is telling in how it highlights Labor's failure.

The best he can offer though is to argue that the Coalition can't fix it.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...m-seeker-sinking/story-e6frg6nf-1226660778375

The question Carr should be asked is how do they intend to hold the numbers at current levels. When in reality the numbers are increasing exponentially.

 

[drsmith]

The question Carr should be asked is how do they intend to hold the numbers at current levels. When in reality the numbers are increasing exponentially.

What struck me was the admission that those coming now are economic refugees.

 

[drsmith]

There may be a second boat missing at sea,

Mr Clare also revealed Australian Federal Police (AFP) had received a call for assistance from a second boat last night, but HMAS Warramunga has been unable to locate the vessel.

The suspected asylum seeker boat reported engine troubles about 110 nautical miles north of Christmas Island last night and HMAS Warramunga was sent to its location.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-06-...vivors-of-capsized-asylum-seeker-boat/4742300

 

[sptrawler]

What struck me was the admission that those coming now are economic refugees.

I think that became bluntly obvious when Indonesia started charging them for a transit visa. It probably covered the cost of finding them boats.IMO
The fact the Labor Government thought Australians would just suck up any garbage they sprouted, was dumb arrogance.
This government has just underlined what people dislike about politicians, unfortunatelly there is such a concentration of them in Labor. Less than 100 days to go.yeh

 

[drsmith]

I can believe what Pickering has reported today
http://pickeringpost.com/article/som...the-wheel/1459

SOMEONE'S ASLEEP AT THE WHEEL
Larry Pickering

This story, also from Larry Pickering's site is the detailed account of one asylum seeker's journey from Pakistan through SE Asia to Australia. It shows how organised the people smuggling trade has become.

http://pickeringpost.com/article/one-mans-boat-trip-to-oz/1483

 

[Julia]

Given the sophisticated organisation described above, it's hard to believe a Coalition government will just be able to direct the Navy to turn a boat around and it will obligingly return without protest to Indonesia.

More likely they will scuttle the boat, creating a humanitarian dilemma.

Does anyone believe the Coalition would actually go as far as letting the boat sink and the people drown?

Unless they have some thus far unknown way of persuading Indonesia to co-operate, this might seem the only way to indeed 'stop the boats'.

 

[bellenuit]

Given the sophisticated organisation described above, it's hard to believe a Coalition government will just be able to direct the Navy to turn a boat around and it will obligingly return without protest to Indonesia.

More likely they will scuttle the boat, creating a humanitarian dilemma.

Does anyone believe the Coalition would actually go as far as letting the boat sink and the people drown?

Unless they have some thus far unknown way of persuading Indonesia to co-operate, this might seem the only way to indeed 'stop the boats'.

It will be difficult to do it with Indonesian boats. But they may be able to tow Sri Lankan boats to Sri Lanka's territorial waters (with the people on board the navy ship) and pass the boat and people over to Sri Lankan authorities. I believe Sri Lanka has already intercepted boats heading to Australia and forced them to return. Since they have declared the war over and Tamils no longer being persecuted, not accepting their own people back might be seen as a loss of face. If Sri Lanka were to say no and declare them as refugees, then what are they fleeing from? If not refugees, then what right have they to try to go to Australia without papers?

With Indonesian boats, I think they will have to just be forceful and make Australian aid dependent on Indonesia cooperating.

I don't think anything is going to be done without much difficulty. But at the end of the day what are our choices. Be dictated to by people smugglers, putting our whole security in jeopardy, or make a stand. Perhaps they could take women and children on board and leave the men. Then let the men bear the consequences of scuttling their own boat.

One thing to consider is that no matter how difficult the decisions are now, they will be a lot more difficult when illegal migrants become a significant minority in the country.

 

[drsmith]

It's largely going to come down to behind-closed-doors diplomacy with Indonesia in my view.

A consequence of Labor's policy outcome is that our position is obviously weakened and it's with a country who in the past we have had difficult relations with.