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Julia said:
Isn't this like any other form of what is essentially blackmail? What is there to stop them continually upping the price?


So if they did turn the first boat around, and the people did jump overboard, would you advocate (as a harsh measure of deterrence for the future) just letting the people drown?

I raised this earlier and no one was up for responding.
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agree with you, you can still "try" to save some but I doubt many "travellers" would like a 1 out of 2 or even 10 chance.
Picking people on open sea is not easy and in desesperate time, (as we are, do not fool yourself), we need desesperate measures
 
In Brisbane it is mainly Indian students trying to earn a buck.

Corruption and an influx of Indian students attending international colleges is killing the taxi industry, insiders say.
They say an explosion of racism and corruption in the taxi industry is partly due to dodgy recruiting practices among colleges who are luring Indian students to Australia.
Veteran drivers say the industry can no longer support the huge number of workers, many of them Indian students, who are scrambling to keep afloat.
Drivers who were once able to earn a living from driving now make as little as $5 an hour.
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It would seem that the refugee assessment process has been little more than a rubber stamp.

The Weekend Australian also interviewed a former member of the Refugee Review Tribunal, who worked on the independent merits review processes for asylum-seekers.

He said that asylum-seekers on Christmas Island told him they had simply copied their claims from other applicants who had been successful.

The former tribunal member said that transcripts of court cases in which asylum-seeker appeals had been upheld circulated widely on Christmas Island so that claimants, and their advocates, could see what testimony had been successful.

"I would sometimes receive a completely compelling story that was impossible to refuse," the former tribunal member said. "The problem is I would receive 100 other identical stories with only the names changed."

He said that administrative pressures constituted an effective bias in favour of accepting claims to refugee status. If he gave a negative decision on an asylum-seeker's claim on appeal, he would need to write an extensive judgment because it would inevitably be appealed to the courts. If he approved an asylum-seeker's claim, he could write a pro-forma decision as it would never be reviewed.

He also reported that middle-class Iranian asylum-seekers often arrived in Christmas Island barely a week after leaving Tehran and exhibited an aggressive "entitlement mentality".

"I had a colleague producing five 'yes' decisions a day," the former tribunal member said. "The (Immigration) department loved him because of the numbers of cases he could clear."

The former Immigration Department officer said that asylum-seekers would communicate on the phone and the internet with potential asylum-seekers in their home countries to brief them on the best explanations to use in order to get a favourable outcome.

This backs up testimony from former minister Philip Ruddock that recordings of interviews by Australian officials with asylum-seekers were sold in Asian markets as helpful preparation for people intending to make illegal journeys to Australia.
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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...cess-breaks-down/story-fn59niix-1226664169170
 
10 boats carrying 601 passengers over the past week. This compares to 5 boats carrying 304 passengers for the same period last year.

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http://www.jasonclare.com.au/media/portfolio-releases/home-affairs-and-justice-releases.html
 
10 boats carrying 782 passengers over the last week. This compares to 6 boats carrying 530 passengers for the same period last year.

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http://www.jasonclare.com.au/media/portfolio-releases/home-affairs-and-justice-releases.html
 
In addition to Kevin Rudd's extraordinary comments yesterday linking turning back the boats to potential conflict with Indonesia, Bob Carr finally admits the extent to which Labor has been asleep at the wheel.

GEORGE ROBERTS, REPORTER: So when asked how many of the asylum seeker arrivals he thinks are economic migrants rather than refugees, here is what Bob Carr had to say.

BOB CARR, FOREIGN MINISTER: I would need to get that out of our, out of the Immigration Department, but as I've looked at data about recent vessels, I would suggest it's been 100 per cent, it's been 100 per cent.

The point is, the evidence has shifted under our eyes. A few years ago you could say that most of the people had some case to make about fleeing persecution. Now that's changed.
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Apart from the obvious acknowledgement of policy failure that this statement represents, it raises a few other obvious questions,

1) Bob Carr has been Foreign Minister for over 12 months. Why then has it taken him this long to acknowledge the data ?

2) Kevin Rudd has either occupied the office of Foreign Minister or Prime Minister for the remainder of the time Labor's been in office since 2007. Why then did he change the policy settings that were previously effective and then subsequently fail to acknowledge the data ?

3) If this confession is part of an overall campaign to convince the voting public that Labor can solve the problem it created, why has Labor waited until now ?

If now by some miracle Labor could substantially solve this problem, there would be further obvious questions,

1) Why would Labor wait until billions of dollars were wasted managing boat arrivals before acting ?
2) Why would Labor wait until over 40000 arrivals from over 700 boats to act ?
3) And most importantly of all, Why would Labor wait for over 1000 lives to be lost at sea before acting ?

The conclusions I have drawn are as follows,

Firstly, under Kevin Rudd's leadership it was a change in social policy, or in effect a social experiment as Malcolm Turnbull has described it. Then under Julia Gillard, the rate of arrivals accelerated dramatically to satisfy the Greens in their alliance with Labor to form government.

Now it would appear that the same people who created the problem in the first place and allowed it to accelerate under their watch are going to try and claim they can solve it.

The effective inaction on this issue from the independents that aligned with Labor to form government also needs to be scrutinised. It's a big black mark against them given their desire for influence on other parts of national policy such as carbon pricing.

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2013/s3792346.htm
 
drsmith said:
Now it would appear that the same people who created the problem in the first place and allowed it to accelerate under their watch are going to try and claim they can solve it.

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2013/s3792346.htm
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They also criticise the opposition for their statements that they can fix the problem, without giving them the chance to do so, and ignoring the fact that they did solve the problem previously.



Hypocrites the lot of them!
 
6 boats carrying 403 passengers to the week ending Friday June 28. This compares to 3 boats carrying 204 passengers for the same period last year.

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http://www.jasonclare.com.au/media/portfolio-releases/home-affairs-and-justice-releases.html
 
Rudd has talks with SBY in Indonesia and that is about all it will be "ALL TALK AND NO ACTION".

Typical stunt by Rudd to make out to the Australian voters that he is doing something to stop the boats and the boats will still come in force right up to the time he is kicked out of office.

What a psycho this bloke is. Anythng to gain popularity.

I would hasten to say SBY has summed up Rudd very well.


http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/latest/17887268/indonesia-rudd-back-international-talks-on-boat-people/
 
Abbott's policy of turning back the boats does work!

ABC radio yesterday ran an interview about the practical reality of border security that could have been run any time over the past three years, since people-smuggling has again become rampant.

The former chief of navy, Chris Ritchie, explained how asylum boats were successfully turned back a decade ago. "If the conditions were replicated," he said, "it could still work." Asked why the practice stopped, he said, "No more boats came." "None at all?" asked the ABC. "None at all, none at all," said the retired vice-admiral.
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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opi...-goes-to-jakarta/story-e6frg71x-1226675047762
 
6 boats carrying 402 passengers to the week ending Friday July 5. This compares to 5 boats carrying 300 passengers for the same period last year.

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http://www.jasonclare.com.au/media/portfolio-releases/home-affairs-and-justice-releases.html

The asylum seekers on the merchant vessel above used threats of self harm to ensure their passage to Australia when the captain was going to return them to Indonesia.

Labor's response to this is of course very different to that of the Coalition.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...a-troops-mission/story-fn9hm1gu-1226675853279
 
The blackmailing of the merchant ship attempting to return asylum seekers to Indonesia is something that should not be acceptable.

Labor still cannot come to grips with the reality of what is needed to stop the flow.

Greg Sheridan provides a rational account of Rudd's scaremongering with his description of Australia's rights and those of Indonesia. As he points out, Singapore refuses to accept any boats at all: they are not engaged in conflict with Indonesia.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opi...odds-with-abbott/story-e6frg76f-1226675630988

Scott Morrison gave a spirited response to Fran Kelly's questions this morning.
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/battlelines-drawn-on-asylum-policy/4804980

If Mr Abbott had the fluency of Mr Morrison, the Coalition would be in a better place imo.
Julie Bishop was also calm and reasonable on The Insiders yesterday.
Shouldn't Mr Abbott be sharing the load here?
 
The don't even have to threaten "self harm" for our border "protection" vessels to bring them to Christmas Island. We actually go looking for them in Indonesian waters.:rolleyes:

Ms Bishop denies the Coalition would act unilaterally, because Indonesia was well aware of Coalition policy and there would be no surprises. In reality, if the Australian navy intercepted an Indonesian vessel in Australian waters illegally transporting people, Indonesia would have no grounds for objecting to it being turned back. The current situation, in which Australia rescued a boatload of asylum-seekers on Friday just 42 nautical miles from Java before transferring them to Christmas Island, is untenable. Canberra can no longer remain passive.
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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opi...aling-with-boats/story-e6frg71x-1226675622327
 
Frank Brennan has advanced the suggestion that the government arrange for all asylum seekers, on arrival, to be put on a plane back to Indonesia, on the basis that this will send a strong message without risking their safety.

Good luck with that, Father Brennan.:rolleyes:
 

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