Asylum immigrants - Green Light

[Calliope]

She made the mistake of entering Australia legally with a passport and a visa. Certainly she deserves all she gets. She's not the sort of migrant we want.

 

[Julia]

She made the mistake of entering Australia legally with a passport and a visa.

The terms of the visa being entirely clear.

 

[Bintang]

If she leaves the country of her own free will by 10 June she could just go as far as Indonesia and then return on a boat.

 

[Calliope]

If she leaves the country of her own free will by 10 June she could just go as far as Indonesia and then return on a boat.

Yes, but we don't want immigrants who ignore our immigration rules...do we? Trying to circumvent a visa is worse than having no visa at all. She should happy she will return to Russia with a little Australian bastard.

 

[sptrawler]

I'm curious Doc, when do you think this will become an important enough issue for the noalition to take some action?

Well So_Cynical, apparently the coalition is going to implement, no papers, no processing.
I bet that will make it harder for the smugglers to get everyone to throw their passports overboard.

 

[sails]

Well So_Cynical, apparently the coalition is going to implement, no papers, no processing.
I bet that will make it harder for the smugglers to get everyone to throw their passports overboard.

I thought the coalition were willing to give the government bipartisan support to return to the Pacific Solution. If so, maybe SC should ask why the government don't take them up on their offer!

 

[noco]

Here is the link I mentioned a few days ago that 58 detainees have been proven a threat to the National Security.

How many more criminals have gone through the net we may never know?



http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/op...led-to-the-world/story-fni0ffxg-1226653248230

 

[Julia]

Well So_Cynical, apparently the coalition is going to implement, no papers, no processing.
I bet that will make it harder for the smugglers to get everyone to throw their passports overboard.

How interesting. Have they actually made a statement to that effect?

 

[sptrawler]

Here is the link I mentioned a few days ago that 58 detainees have been proven a threat to the National Security.

How many more criminals have gone through the net we may never know?



http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/op...led-to-the-world/story-fni0ffxg-1226653248230

Noco, I think we are way past that issue, we are now an easy lifestyle change for minimum risk.
The numbers that are arriving without papers and being given entry, is encouraging an exponential flow.

Unfortunately the Australian taxpayer has to wear the results of a warm feelgood bunch of goons, who don't have to wear the fallout themselves.

 

[sptrawler]

How interesting. Have they actually made a statement to that effect?

Yes, I saw the shadow minister for immigration say it today.

I'm sure there will be a lot of huff and puff from the government.
But it is a hard one for them to say "me too" everyone will say "duh"

The coalition is playing them well to this point.IMO

 

[Julia]

Thanks sptrawler. Sounds like the first step in their actual plan to 'stop the boats'.
I'd like to see/hear it. Do you have a link or can you tell me where to find it?

 

[sptrawler]

Thanks sptrawler. Sounds like the first step in their actual plan to 'stop the boats'.
I'd like to see/hear it. Do you have a link or can you tell me where to find it?

Can't find the link and didn't have overiding access of the t.v control at the time, no doubt it will be news tommorrow.

 

[noco]

So if Indonesia won't accept the return of the illegal boats it will be interesting to know how Tony Abbott will overcome this problem.

I believe Australia should pull out as a signatory to the UNHCR convention and refuse enrty without ID.

Indonesia is more than happy to send these illegals as they are 100% Muslim and they (Indonesians) are no doubt invloved in the world domination of Islam by infiltration.


http://www.couriermail.com.au/feder...-ambassador-says/story-fnho52jo-1226654686379

 

[drsmith]

So if Indonesia won't accept the return of the illegal boats it will be interesting to know how Tony Abbott will overcome this problem.

I believe Australia should pull out as a signatory to the UNHCR convention and refuse enrty without ID.

Indonesia is more than happy to send these illegals as they are 100% Muslim and they (Indonesians) are no doubt invloved in the world domination of Islam by infiltration.


http://www.couriermail.com.au/feder...-ambassador-says/story-fnho52jo-1226654686379

From the above linked article,

In an address to the University of Canberra National Security Institute, Mr Kesoema acknowledged people smuggling was a major problem for Indonesia.

He said it was important for Indonesia and Australia to work together to raise awareness among Indonesian people about the dangers of becoming involved in people smuggling.

"This is not only the problem of the government, this is not only the problem of Australia, this is not only the problem of Indonesia, this is the problem of all," he said.

Indonesia wouldn't be happy with what has happened under our Labor Government. They however would be looking at a broader solution and we can only hope the real diplomacy is going on behind the scenes between the Coalition representatives and the Indonesian Government. In both cases, I suspect comments about turning back the boats are largely for domestic political purposes.

 

[Julia]

Indonesia wouldn't be happy with what has happened under our Labor Government. They however would be looking at a broader solution and we can only hope the real diplomacy is going on behind the scenes between the Coalition representatives and the Indonesian Government. In both cases, I suspect comments about turning back the boats are largely for domestic political purposes.

Agree. Might be necessary to remind Indonesia of the substantial aid they receive from Australia also.
Julie Bishop made the point that the boats are from Indonesia, crewed by Indonesians, arranged by Indonesian people smugglers, so it's a little difficult for the Ambassador to decline any responsibility in the matter.

What do others think about the suggestion Australia withdraw from the Refugee Convention as suggested above by noco?

 

[bigdog]

Abbot will not be able to turn back the boats - they will jump overboard and will have to be rescued!!

Give 10 years in prison for the crew!

Alternative is to sell Christmas Island to the Indonesians!!!

 

[bellenuit]

Agree. Might be necessary to remind Indonesia of the substantial aid they receive from Australia also.
Julie Bishop made the point that the boats are from Indonesia, crewed by Indonesians, arranged by Indonesian people smugglers, so it's a little difficult for the Ambassador to decline any responsibility in the matter.

What do others think about the suggestion Australia withdraw from the Refugee Convention as suggested above by noco?

Yes absolutely, we should withdraw. I was advocating that from my first post on this subject, but suggested that at the same time we increase our intake from normal channels, to show that we were not abrogating our responsibilities as a well off nation that is expected to do its fair share. Most Asian countries are not part of it, that is why they say that we must take them even though they are no longer in the same danger once they reach these intermediate countries. And I agree entirely about reminding Indonesia of our aid to them. It seems all our neighbours can pi** all over us and we will take it lying down. No one has respect for countries that do not stand up for themselves.

 

[Calliope]

And I agree entirely about reminding Indonesia of our aid to them. It seems all our neighbours can pi** all over us and we will take it lying down. No one has respect for countries that do not stand up for themselves.

The Indonesian Ambassador said these illegals are only passing through Indonesia and if we want to return them we should send them back to their country of origin. For reasons unknown to me we can't seem to do this, unless they come from Sri Lanka.

These people arrive in Indonesia by plane. It should be a simple matter for Indonesia to turn them around at the airport and send them back before they have thrown away their passports and visas. Indonesia, unlike us, has no regard for "refugee conventions, and why should they? No Muslim ever seeks refuge in a Muslim country

 

[Julia]

No one has respect for countries that do not stand up for themselves.

Quite. Australia must be a laughing stock these days.

The Indonesian Ambassador said these illegals are only passing through Indonesia and if we want to return them we should send them back to their country of origin. For reasons unknown to me we can't seem to do this, unless they come from Sri Lanka.

To be fair, that seems to be entirely supported by Sri Lanka, in contrast to eg Iran which declares they will not take them back.
What would be the outcome if the Iranians, or anyone else for that matter, were flown straight back to their country of origin? Presumably commercial airlines wouldn't be too keen on carrying them under the circumstances. Could Australia just charter an aircraft, load them on, let them off at the other end?
I suspect nothing would be as simple as that.

These people arrive in Indonesia by plane. It should be a simple matter for Indonesia to turn them around at the airport and send them back before they have thrown away their passports and visas. Indonesia, unlike us, has no regard for "refugee conventions, and why should they? No Muslim ever seeks refuge in a Muslim country

Yes, that seems reasonable except I suppose they have the appropriate visa to enter Indonesia 'on holiday' or something and therefore there would be no valid reason for Indonesia to turn them around?

I don't know.

 

[Calliope]

They haven't sought asylum in Indonesia and if they overstay their visas they can be sent back, as we do to the overstayers. And Indonesia has an advantage over us...they are not bound by any "conventions". Neither is Malaysia. Leaving the job to people smugglers saves them a lot of trouble. They arrest a people smuggler every now and then. They are probably not paying enough corruption money to the right people, as they also arrest drug smugglers who haven't paid their dues

These illegals are people that no country in its right mind would want, especially fellow Islamic countries. They are trouble for any host country.

The Gillard government now couldn't care less about them...just another ticking time bomb for Abbott!