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noco said:
Threats made to naval and customs personal .........F*** Australia......threats of another 9/11 in Australia...
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That ABC 730 segment from late week was the best advertisement for the current government's policies yet, and Labor's failure.

Part two of that series was supposed to aired later that week but wasn't.

On the arrivals front, it's now been 26 weeks (6-months) since this government was sworn in. The first 13 weeks saw 1106 IMA's by boat. The second 13 have seen only 2. All boats that have attempted the journey in that time have had their passengers turned back to Indonesia whether in their own boat or with the bright orange lifeboats with the exception of the 2 IMA's above on medical grounds.

I haven't seen reports of even an attempt now for around a month.
 
Could anyone point me to historical figures of asylum seekers in Australian detention centers? Including offshore processing.
 
The ABC has produced the following epic on the first 6-months of OSB,

http://www.abc.net.au/news/interactives/operation-sovereign-borders-the-first-6-months/

My 6-month summary is a little simpler,

drsmith said:
It's now been 26 weeks (6-months) since this government was sworn in. The first 13 weeks saw 1106 IMA's by boat. The second 13 have seen only 2. All boats that have attempted the journey in that time have had their passengers turned back to Indonesia whether in their own boat or with the bright orange lifeboats with the exception of the 2 IMA's above on medical grounds.
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drsmith said:
The ABC has produced the following epic on the first 6-months of OSB,

http://www.abc.net.au/news/interactives/operation-sovereign-borders-the-first-6-months/

My 6-month summary is a little simpler,
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Obviously it appears to have been successful but we can never fully know how successful while they continue to keep the number of boats turned back confidential. There is no reason this figure can't be revealed every month or so, this doesn't compromise the mission as much as they try and proclaim.
 
overhang said:
Obviously it appears to have been successful but we can never fully know how successful while they continue to keep the number of boats turned back confidential. There is no reason this figure can't be revealed every month or so, this doesn't compromise the mission as much as they try and proclaim.
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It's the numbers that get through that count and we know how successful it's been by those numbers above.

As for actively publicising the turn backs that the government's critics thought they wouldn't be able to achieve, there's Indonesian domestic politics to consider.
 
drsmith said:
We know how successful it's been by the numbers above.

As for actively publicising turn backs, there's Indonesian domestic politics to consider.
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If boats are still leaving for Australia then it's not really stopping the boats is it?
Considering it's our navy turning back the boats then no the onus is on us to report those numbers.
 
overhang said:
If boats are still leaving for Australia then it's not really stopping the boats is it?
Considering it's our navy turning back the boats then no the onus is on us to report those numbers.
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As I said above, there's Indonesian domestic politics to consider.

As I also said it's the effectiveness in stopping them from getting here that counts. That achieves the twin policy goals of border security and acts as an obvious deterrence which in turn saves lives.

If beyond that people wish to go on return budget cruises south of the Indonesian archipelago, that's up to them.
 
drsmith said:
As I said above, there's Indonesian domestic politics to consider.

As I also said it's the effectiveness in stopping them from getting here that counts. That achieves the twin policy goals of border security and acts as an obvious deterrence which in turn saves lives.

If beyond that people wish to go on return budget cruises south of the Indonesian archipelago, that's up to them.
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That's your opinion, my opinion is that as we're the ones turning back the boats then its in fact on us to confirm that number.
And as I said that's not really stopping the boats its just stopping the boats from reaching us. Look I'm pleased the policy has worked to what was an otherwise unsustainable influx of boats but I'm under no illusion that the boats have in fact stopped.
 
overhang said:
That's your opinion, my opinion is that as we're the ones turning back the boats then its in fact on us to confirm that number.
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It's more than opinion.

The point about Indonesian politics is quiet valid as recent history has shown and it's simple logic that if none are getting through, that's the biggest deterrent.

At least we are in the same boat on being pleased the policy is working. :)
 
overhang said:
That's your opinion, my opinion is that as we're the ones turning back the boats then its in fact on us to confirm that number.
And as I said that's not really stopping the boats its just stopping the boats from reaching us. Look I'm pleased the policy has worked to what was an otherwise unsustainable influx of boats but I'm under no illusion that the boats have in fact stopped.
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Well at least they have "stopped" hitting our shores. Just Manus Island and Nauru and Christmas Island and (insert small island here that is run by a government that requires money thrown at them)

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overhang said:
That's your opinion, my opinion is that as we're the ones turning back the boats then its in fact on us to confirm that number.
And as I said that's not really stopping the boats its just stopping the boats from reaching us. Look I'm pleased the policy has worked to what was an otherwise unsustainable influx of boats but I'm under no illusion that the boats have in fact stopped.
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lol - whether the boats are stopped before leaving Indonesia or stopped enroute, they are still being stopped. They are being stopped from reaching their intended destination.

Or do you have a different definition to the meaning of "stopped"?

Here is some of the definition of "stopped" from the Free Dictionary:

. "stopped, stop•ping,
n. v.t.
1. to cease from or discontinue: to stop running.
2. to cause to cease: to stop crime.
3. to interrupt or check.
4. to cut off, intercept, or withhold: to stop supplies.
5. to restrain or prevent: I couldn't stop him from going.
6. to prevent from proceeding, acting, or operating: to stop a car.
7. to block or close off (often fol. by up): to stop up a sink.
8. to fill holes in (a wall, a decayed tooth, etc.).
9. to close (a container, tube, etc.) with a cork, plug, or the like.
10. to close the external orifice of (the ears, nose, mouth, etc.).
11. to check (a stroke, blow, etc.); parry; ward off.
12.
a. to defeat (an opposing player or team).
b. to defeat in a boxing match by a knockout or technical knockout.
13. to notify a bank to refuse payment of (a check) upon presentation.
14. (in bridge) to have an honor card and a sufficient number of protecting cards to keep an opponent from continuing to win in (a suit).
15.
a. to close (a fingerhole) in order to produce a particular note from a wind instrument.
b. to press down (a string of a violin, viola, etc.) in order to alter the pitch of the tone produced.
c. to produce (a particular note) by so doing."​

More here if you like:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/stop
 
sails said:
lol - whether the boats are stopped before leaving Indonesia or stopped enroute, they are still being stopped. They are being stopped from reaching their intended destination.

Or do you have a different definition to the meaning of "stopped"?
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I call stopped when we're no longer paying 200k for a single use lifeboat to send these people back.
 
overhang said:
I call stopped when we're no longer paying 200k for a single use lifeboat to send these people back.
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In terms of managing our borders, a boat whose passengers are returned to Indonesia is stopped. it's as simple as that.

Those lifeboats were a stroke of genius and with 34 in the bank will continue to be a powerful deterrent. There might even be some left over for Labor when (God forbid) they're ultimately returned to office.
 
drsmith said:
In terms of managing our borders, a boat whose passengers are returned to Indonesia is stopped. it's as simple as that.

Those lifeboats were a stroke of genius and with 34 in the bank will continue to be a powerful deterrent. There might even be some left over for Labor when (God forbid) they're ultimately returned to office.
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Managing our borders is another way of saying saving us money and all though its a hell of a lot cheaper to send them back its still costing us big $ every time a boat is turned back, so in fact when the boats stop leaving Indonesia then that's when our costs will be insignificant.
 
overhang said:
Managing our borders is another way of saying saving us money and all though its a hell of a lot cheaper to send them back its still costing us big $ every time a boat is turned back, so in fact when the boats stop leaving Indonesia then that's when our costs will be insignificant.
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Significant costs will continue to be incurred for some time to deal with the legacy of the influx under Labor.

The cost of the lifeboats is insignificant in comparison to the cost of acceptance and processing.
 

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