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[rumpole]

Imo the uncontrolled invasion of our national borders is a state of war.

Extremist paranoia at it's worst.

War = Armed conflict between two States.

You really think a few unarmed women and children constitute a national security threat ?

Your sort of people are the real threat.

 

[rumpole]

Imo the uncontrolled invasion of our national borders is a state of war.

I assume then that you support torpedoing refugee boats and machine gunning any survivors ?

 

[Bintang]

Extremist paranoia at it's worst.

War = Armed conflict between two States.

You really think a few unarmed women and children constitute a national security threat ?

Your sort of people are the real threat.

I said nothing of the sort. The 'people smugglers' are the threat to our security. The unarmed women and children are the victims. (So are the unarmed men incidentally).

 

[Bintang]

I assume then that you support torpedoing refugee boats and machine gunning any survivors ?

The problem with people like you is that you are too blinkered to know who the real enemy is.

 

[rumpole]

I said nothing of the sort. The 'people smugglers' are the threat to our security. The unarmed women and children are the victims. (So are the unarmed men incidentally).

You use the term "war" very loosely.

People get deliberately killed in war. Whatever else people smugglers are, they are not armed combatants.

 

[Bintang]

You use the term "war" very loosely.

People get deliberately killed in war. Whatever else people smugglers are, they are not armed combatants.

But they have been causing people to get killed by putting them in unsafe boats.
A bit like drug smugglers who cause people to get killed as well.
Ever heard of the terms, 'drug war' or 'war on drugs'?
How many governments and police forces around the world who are fighting drug wars freely dispense information to the public about their anti-drug operations?
Fighting people smugglers should be no different.

 

[rumpole]

But they have been causing people to get killed by putting them in unsafe boats.
A bit like drug smugglers who cause people to get killed as well.
Ever heard of the terms, 'drug war' or 'war on drugs'?
How many governments and police forces around the world who are fighting drug wars freely dispense information to the public about their anti-drug operations?
Fighting people smugglers should be no different.

Different issue, but the "war on drugs" has miserably failed. The world is awash with drugs more so now that at any time in history. So whatever tactics the police forces are using against the drug cartels, they are useless.

 

[Bintang]

Different issue, but the "war on drugs" has miserably failed. The world is awash with drugs more so now that at any time in history. So whatever tactics the police forces are using against the drug cartels, they are useless.

Yes a more difficult problem to solve but that's no excuse for going easy on people smugglers.
Under Labor Australia was more awash with asylum seekers than at any other time in its history.
Australia is now less awash with asylum seekers so the tactics currently being used against people smugglers are working.

 

[DB008]

Extremist paranoia at it's worst.

War = Armed conflict between two States.

You really think a few unarmed women and children constitute a national security threat ?

Your sort of people are the real threat.

Wow. Just wow.

Blinkers are on...

 

[Bintang]

........So whatever tactics the police forces are using against the drug cartels, they are useless.

btw way how much worse would it be if the police forces fighting drug wars* disclosed their operational information the way the Labor party wants disclosure of the Government's tactical information against people smugglers?
The war* on drugs is probably a war* without end.
Fortunately we have witnessed that the war* against people smuggling does have an end when a competent Government is in charge of the problem.

* Note: the word 'war' is used here according to its 'looser' dictionary definitions which exclude arm-conflict:
war |wôr| noun
• a state of competition, conflict, or hostility between different people or groups: she was at war with her parents | a price war among discount retailers.
• a sustained effort to deal with or end a particular unpleasant or undesirable situation or condition: the authorities are waging war against all forms of smuggling | a war on drugs.

 

[rumpole]

btw way how much worse would it be if the police forces fighting drug wars* disclosed their operational information the way the Labor party wants disclosure of the Government's tactical information against people smugglers?
.

Depends on how you define "operational" information.

What you are going to do is operational

What you have done is not.

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Wow. Just wow.

Blinkers are on...

Yes, yours certainly are

 

[Bintang]

Depends on how you define "operational" information.

What you are going to do is operational

What you have done is not.

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Yes, yours certainly are

There's a good chance that 'if what you have already done has worked that you will keep doing it'**. So releasing information about what you have done is just as compromising as releasing information about what you plan to do.

** this probably does not apply to a Labor Government however. Australian voters saw that Labor preferred to create gigantic stuff-ups by changing ways that worked into ways that do not work.

 

[drsmith]

10 weeks now without a boat.

http://newsroom.customs.gov.au/chan...ses/fact-sheet-operational-update-28-february

In that time 2 IMA's have been accepted by immigration authorities on health grounds from a turn back operation.

Voluntary returns to country of origin from offshore processing centres since 18/09/2013 is now 171, up 13 from last week.

 

[noco]

Conroy and the Labor Party are absolutely livid over the boats being stopped.........They said it could not be done....what an embarrassment.

Now the clean up of Labor's mess in processing the remnants has begun and it will take time and perhaps more riots into the bargain before it has been completed..

As quoted in the Australian :-

STEPHEN Conroy’s wilful ignorance on border protection provides an ominous insight. His inability - even as a former cabinet minister - to accept a tough but successful border protection regime creates doubt about a viable national settlement on this issue.

Having resurrected this mayhem once - at an intolerable cost - the Left is setting itself to unleash it again. Even after 70 days without a boat arrival, there is a long way to go before the integrity and normal order of our immigration system is restored.

The 6000 or more asylum-seekers in at least 16 onshore detention centres will need to be processed and returned, resettled or granted visas, along with about 25,000 around the nation on bridging visas or in community detention. And the same will need to occur for the more than 1300 on Manus Island, more than 1000 on Nauru and more than 1700 on Christmas Island.

Then, provided border protection operations hold and there is no new influx of boats, some centres may be dismantled.



http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opi...ir-border-regime/story-fn8qlm5e-1226841202320

 

[IFocus]

What bad news are they hiding. What ugly facts are they hiding. It's not like they were going to hide the the fact a detainee died.

I cannot tell you as you well know and as widely commented in the media there is a veil of secrecy.

I think the government has a right to maintain operation secrecy.

When dealing with smugglers maybe, they are breaking the law, what Australia laws have people seeking asylum broken?

I think the government is being attacked on the secrecy aspect as it is the only avenue for attack. The immediate success of OSB has only highlighted the ineptitude of Labor's border control efforts.

Attacked?

Is asking why and what are you doing attacking?

A minister running from press conferences and refusing to answer questions is ineptitude.

Why can't everyone be relieved that the boats and drownings have stopped.

I think everyone is but conservatives using this for the high moral ground is rubbish.

 

[IFocus]

So releasing information about what you have done is just as compromising as releasing information about what you plan to do.

You mean like all the noise the Coalition made in opposition about asylum seekers

 

[drsmith]

The 6000 or more asylum-seekers in at least 16 onshore detention centres will need to be processed and returned, resettled or granted visas, along with about 25,000 around the nation on bridging visas or in community detention. And the same will need to occur for the more than 1300 on Manus Island, more than 1000 on Nauru and more than 1700 on Christmas Island.

The rate at which the backlog is cleared will be interesting to watch. Along with boat arrivals, information on returns is also provided on a weekly basis. On this aspect, the backlog was reduced by 18 in the week to Friday including the 13 from the offshore detention network.

Thirteen illegal maritime arrival transferees were voluntarily returned to their country of origin after electing to go home from an offshore processing centre””eight to Iran three to India and two to Iraq.

Four illegal maritime arrival detainees were voluntarily removed””three to Iran and one to Iraq.

One illegal maritime arrival detainee was involuntarily removed to Sri Lanka. Their removal from Australia is consistent with Australia’s obligations.

http://newsroom.customs.gov.au/chan...eign-borders-joint-agency-task-force-update-9

 

[drsmith]

Interesting article,

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...nce-on-stopping-the-boats-20140228-33r3b.html

 

[rumpole]

Interesting article,

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...nce-on-stopping-the-boats-20140228-33r3b.html

The flow of boats slowed sharply after the Rudd government signed the agreement with Papua New Guinea's Prime Minister, Peter O'Neill, to reopen the Manus Island centre and to resettle asylum seekers in PNG.

This agreement was the basis for Rudd's declaration that asylum seekers "will never be settled in Australia." The number of arrivals fell by some 40 per cent between that announcement and the September election.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...g-the-boats-20140228-33r3b.html#ixzz2uqN4loWe

The flow of boats may well have stopped altogether due to the PNG agreement, but the Abbott government could not take the risk that this would happen and prove Rudd correct, so they had to go on their own gung ho crusade and make sure they took the credit.

 

[noco]

The flow of boats may well have stopped altogether due to the PNG agreement, but the Abbott government could not take the risk that this would happen and prove Rudd correct, so they had to go on their own gung ho crusade and make sure they took the credit.

Rudd created the problem in 2008.............Gillard made it worse in 2010 and gave token words pretending to try and stop the boats......the botched Timor and Malaysian solutions.....she opposed off shore processing and allowed the flood of boats to continue at an enormous cost to the Nation....just another method of her communistic back ground in association with her comrades in the Green movement to destroy the economy of Australia.

Illywacker Rudd came on the scene in 2013 to save the furniture and knowing the sentiments of the voting public over illegal refugees, set up the "PNG SOLUTION" to save a few seats..........it was a rushed botched up deal resulting in what we have today.

The Coalition had little or no choice but to continue with with a bad solution having to make do with the ills of this amateur Labor Party machine.