ASF COVID-19 infection thread

[Knobby22]

In France now and virtually no one is wearing a mask.

 

[DB008]

I was in Europe 2 weeks ago. Aunty and uncle both caught covid. Mild symptoms for 1 day, that it. Covid is over. Time to move on.

 

[SirRumpole]

Cases rise all over the country as sub variants take hold.

Rise in cases prompts fresh COVID warning for Australia

Experts warn of another wave of COVID-19 infections in coming weeks, as case numbers rise and new variants circulate.

www.abc.net.au

 

[moXJO]

It's literally just a one day headache now

 

[basilio]

Another well researched analysis of COVID by George Monbiot.

George makes some critical points in noting the need to improve indoor air quality to prevent COVID infections and the ongoing damage that repeated infections are causing. Long COVID is crippling. It isn't just a cold or flu which knocks you down for a few days but from which you recover 100%

We are all playing Covid roulette. Without clean air, the next infection could permanently disable you​

George Monbiot

As rich people plough money into ventilation to protect themselves, those with long Covid are treated as an embarrassment

‘Three years after the pandemic began, the government still does almost nothing to make schools safe.’ Photograph: Anthony Devlin/Getty Images
Thu 26 Jan 2023 23.26 AEDTLast modified on Fri 27 Jan 2023 06.13 AEDT

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...tte-clean-air-ventilation-long-covid#comments
721
You could see Covid-19 as an empathy test. Who was prepared to suffer disruption and inconvenience for the sake of others, and who was not? The answer was often surprising. I can think, for instance, of five prominent environmentalists who denounced lockdowns, vaccines and even masks as intolerable intrusions on our liberties, while proposing no meaningful measures to prevent transmission of the virus. Four of them became active spreaders of disinformation.

If environmentalism means anything, it’s that our damaging gratifications should take second place to the interests of others. Yet these people immediately failed the test, placing their own convenience above the health and lives of others.

Now there are even fewer excuses, as we have become more aware of the costs of inaction. One of the justifications for selfishness was that liberating the virus would build herd immunity. But we now have plenty of evidence suggesting that exposure does not strengthen our immune system, but may weaken it. The virus attacks and depletes immune cells, ensuring that for some people, immune dysfunction persists for months after infection.

We also know that, with every new exposure, we are more likely to suffer adverse effects. A massive study in the US found that the risk of brain, nerve, heart, lung, blood, kidney, insulin and muscular disorders accumulates with every reinfection. The impacts of long Covid, according to health metrics researchers, are “as severe as the long-term effects of traumatic brain injury”. Now that we know how the virus attacks our cells, “traumatic brain injury” looks less like an analogy than a description. The outcomes can be devastating, ranging from extreme fatigue and breathlessness to brain fog, psychotic disorders, memory loss, epilepsy and dementia.

We are all playing Covid roulette. Without clean air, the next infection could permanently disable you | George Monbiot

As rich people plough money into ventilation to protect themselves, those with long Covid are treated as an embarrassment, says Guardian columnist George Monbiot

www.theguardian.com

 

[moXJO]

Another well researched analysis of COVID by George Monbiot.

George makes some critical points in noting the need to improve indoor air quality to prevent COVID infections and the ongoing damage that repeated infections are causing. Long COVID is crippling. It isn't just a cold or flu which knocks you down for a few days but from which you recover 100%

We are all playing Covid roulette. Without clean air, the next infection could permanently disable you​

George Monbiot
View attachment 152201

As rich people plough money into ventilation to protect themselves, those with long Covid are treated as an embarrassment
View attachment 152202
‘Three years after the pandemic began, the government still does almost nothing to make schools safe.’ Photograph: Anthony Devlin/Getty Images
Thu 26 Jan 2023 23.26 AEDTLast modified on Fri 27 Jan 2023 06.13 AEDT

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...tte-clean-air-ventilation-long-covid#comments
721
You could see Covid-19 as an empathy test. Who was prepared to suffer disruption and inconvenience for the sake of others, and who was not? The answer was often surprising. I can think, for instance, of five prominent environmentalists who denounced lockdowns, vaccines and even masks as intolerable intrusions on our liberties, while proposing no meaningful measures to prevent transmission of the virus. Four of them became active spreaders of disinformation.

If environmentalism means anything, it’s that our damaging gratifications should take second place to the interests of others. Yet these people immediately failed the test, placing their own convenience above the health and lives of others.

Now there are even fewer excuses, as we have become more aware of the costs of inaction. One of the justifications for selfishness was that liberating the virus would build herd immunity. But we now have plenty of evidence suggesting that exposure does not strengthen our immune system, but may weaken it. The virus attacks and depletes immune cells, ensuring that for some people, immune dysfunction persists for months after infection.

We also know that, with every new exposure, we are more likely to suffer adverse effects. A massive study in the US found that the risk of brain, nerve, heart, lung, blood, kidney, insulin and muscular disorders accumulates with every reinfection. The impacts of long Covid, according to health metrics researchers, are “as severe as the long-term effects of traumatic brain injury”. Now that we know how the virus attacks our cells, “traumatic brain injury” looks less like an analogy than a description. The outcomes can be devastating, ranging from extreme fatigue and breathlessness to brain fog, psychotic disorders, memory loss, epilepsy and dementia.

We are all playing Covid roulette. Without clean air, the next infection could permanently disable you | George Monbiot

As rich people plough money into ventilation to protect themselves, those with long Covid are treated as an embarrassment, says Guardian columnist George Monbiot

www.theguardian.com

Wow. This is how stupid the Guardian has become?
What next "Covid the cause of global warming".

Talk about fear mongering rubbish.

 

[basilio]

Wow. This is how stupid the Guardian has become?
What next "Covid the cause of global warming".

Talk about fear mongering rubbish.

Get with it Moxjo. George, as usual, researches his work meticulously. The issues of long COVID are well recognised. The issues of people ending up with more severe ongoing issues from multiple COVID infections seems to be validated through the research noted in the article.

The point of the article is recognising COVID isn't disappearing and that "living" with it means taking steps to minimise its spread and tackling the problems caused by long COVID. I don't see the need to trash such a straightforward proposition. (Unless you just feel like being trashy )

Acute and postacute sequelae associated with SARS-CoV-2 reinfection - Nature Medicine

A new analysis using US Department of Veterans Affairs databases showed that reinfection is associated with increased risk of all-cause mortality, hospitalization and a wide range of long COVID complications in individuals who have had SARS-CoV-2 compared to those with no reinfection.

www.nature.com

 

[moXJO]

Get with it Moxjo. George, as usual, researches his work meticulously. The issues of long COVID are well recognised. The issues of people ending up with more severe ongoing issues from multiple COVID infections seems to be validated through the research noted in the article.

The point of the article is recognising COVID isn't disappearing and that "living" with it means taking steps to minimise its spread and tackling the problems caused by long COVID. I don't see the need to trash such a straightforward proposition. (Unless you just feel like being trashy )

Acute and postacute sequelae associated with SARS-CoV-2 reinfection - Nature Medicine

A new analysis using US Department of Veterans Affairs databases showed that reinfection is associated with increased risk of all-cause mortality, hospitalization and a wide range of long COVID complications in individuals who have had SARS-CoV-2 compared to those with no reinfection.

www.nature.com

Sars, Mers, Swine flu. There's been multiple flus that were worse than covid. Not a whimper from any of these experts.
Covid has recently been downgraded.


For the vast majority of people- Covid does nothing. Those that are in danger are most likely affect just as much by seasonal flu.

The only trash is this rubbish article in an attempt to "save face" over their idiotic stance and fear mongering.

 

[wayneL]

Sars, Mers, Swine flu. There's been multiple flus that were worse than covid. Not a whimper from any of these experts.
Covid has recently been downgraded.


For the vast majority of people- Covid does nothing. Those that are in danger are most likely affect just as much by seasonal flu.

The only trash is this rubbish article in an attempt to "save face" over their idiotic stance and fear mongering.

Truth bomb right there... Accurate, unequivocal.

Dispense to question what is the agenda of the Moonbat and others like him, I mean, apart from saving face?

 

[basilio]

Back to De Nile.

Long Covid is real. The millions of people around the world suffering from the effects of long Covid are real. The figures of people incapacitated by long Covid are becoming obvious in the workplace. I would be certain a quick check around friends and family of ASF posters would identify this reality. In that context keeping a lid on COVID infections makes sense as does making every effort to address the problems.

This is not the xucking flu. You get the flu, you get sick, you get over it.

So why do Wayne and Moxjo summarily dismiss this reality ? More xhit stirring from Moxjo ? More blind denial from Wayne ?

As COVID Infections Continue, Long COVID Numbers Rise

Three important findings have emerged from recent research on COVID-19. First, long COVID -- the persistence of symptoms after the acute infection -- is common and can cause significant suffering and disability. Second, the ability of the bivalent booster to broaden recipients' immune response...

www.acsh.org

Long COVID has had a brutal effect on the workforce, study finds

The post-viral condition has prevented significant numbers of employees from returning to work, especially women and those aged over 60 or with co-morbidities.

www.gavi.org

As Recommendations for Isolation End, How Common is Long COVID? | KFF

This issue brief analyzes the latest data on rates of long COVID, which have appeared to stabilize, affecting about 1 in 10 adults who have had COVID.

www.kff.org

 

[sptrawler]

Interesting I was reading that there has been a 17% increase in heart attacks in the last 12 months, the cause is being put down to an obscure cholesterol, I wonder?

 

[moXJO]

Back to De Nile.

Long Covid is real. The millions of people around the world suffering from the effects of long Covid are real. The figures of people incapacitated by long Covid are becoming obvious in the workplace. I would be certain a quick check around friends and family of ASF posters would identify this reality. In that context keeping a lid on COVID infections makes sense as does making every effort to address the problems.

This is not the xucking flu. You get the flu, you get sick, you get over it.

So why do Wayne and Moxjo summarily dismiss this reality ? More xhit stirring from Moxjo ? More blind denial from Wayne ?

As COVID Infections Continue, Long COVID Numbers Rise

Three important findings have emerged from recent research on COVID-19. First, long COVID -- the persistence of symptoms after the acute infection -- is common and can cause significant suffering and disability. Second, the ability of the bivalent booster to broaden recipients' immune response...

www.acsh.org

Long COVID has had a brutal effect on the workforce, study finds

The post-viral condition has prevented significant numbers of employees from returning to work, especially women and those aged over 60 or with co-morbidities.

www.gavi.org

As Recommendations for Isolation End, How Common is Long COVID? | KFF

This issue brief analyzes the latest data on rates of long COVID, which have appeared to stabilize, affecting about 1 in 10 adults who have had COVID.

www.kff.org

Other flu viruses had long symptoms as well.
Covid has been downgraded, so yes it's just another flu now and will lessen in severity over time.

It gets weaker over time, unlike the damage to your heart the vaccine will continue to cause.

 

[sptrawler]

unlike the damage to your heart the vaccine will continue to cause.

I wonder if someone will be allowed to do an in depth analysis of that, or if indeed there has been any accurate data recorded regarding the mRNA vaccine and its long term effects.

 

[basilio]

Other flu viruses had long symptoms as well.
Covid has been downgraded, so yes it's just another flu now and will lessen in severity over time.

Yep Covid has been "downgraded" by governments. That is bureaucratic decision that will reduce commitment to health spending, regulations on isolation and so on.

It doesn't follow that Covid will lessen in severity over time. That will depend on thousands of biological factors to do with the way the virus spreads and mutates.

It doesn't change the issues around long Covid. If anything these problems will increase because governments are effectively relaxing efforts at prevention. George Monbiots analysis of the research on the effects of long covid still stand.

 

[cynic]

I wonder if someone will be allowed to do an in depth analysis of that, or if indeed there has been any accurate data recorded regarding the mRNA vaccine and its long term effects.

Prior to covid, there have been numerous cases of people suffering identical (or very nearly so) symptoms, to those now associated with "long covid". The onset was usually noticed post viral infection, but on some (albeit rarer) occasions, was post vaccination!!

It is interesting that the latter possibility, isn't getting anywhere near the level of consideration, that such a serious condition should ideally deserve. (i.e. covid is blamed for everything whilst the potentially damaging effects of society's response continue to be overlooked.)

 

[wayneL]

The Moonbat is a known Marxist and everything he writes is instructed by this toxic ideology.

Best mocked or ignored.

 

[wayneL]

Other viral infections which implicated in long-term deleterious effects, apart from coronavirus and influenza.

A couple that immediately spring to mind are epstein-barr virus and Ross River virus.... Then there are the various autoimmune diseases which may be triggered by other things.

And by the way @basilio, you are a lying ****, low life pond scum for your penchant to completely misrepresent those people you disagree with.

I realise that you have read Saul Alinsky, cover to cover several times, but jeez, this is a stock forum, even if in the general topics section, not a propaganda outlet.

 

[basilio]

Other viral infections which implicated in long-term deleterious effects, apart from coronavirus and influenza.

A couple that immediately spring to mind are epstein-barr virus and Ross River virus.... Then there are the various autoimmune diseases which may be triggered by other things.

And by the way @basilio, you are a lying ****, low life pond scum for your penchant to completely misrepresent those people you disagree with.

I realise that you have read Saul Alinsky, cover to cover several times, but jeez, this is a stock forum, even if in the general topics section, not a propaganda outlet.

WTF ?

Yep there are other viruses that have long term effects. Thanks for highlighting those issues.

And thanks also for highlighting Saul Alinsky. First time I had seen his ideas. Interestingly enough the principles are well used by all organizing groups - including the Tea Party and white supremacists.

Regarding your attack on me and contempt for George Monbiot.

George researches his papers in detail. Anyone can go to the sources he uses to develop his argument. I offered at least 3 other references that have studied long covid and the impact it is having on millions of people. Frankly I was really surprised and disappointed that you dismissed out of hand the reality of this condition for people. I mean you have already pointed out that other illnesses can leave lingering long term problems. What is the point of trying to say COVID doesn't do the same ? Particularly when the evidence is so well documented ? It seems to me you are on automatic reflex sometimes.

The critical difference is the numbers involved. COVID is now endemic - unlike (thank heavens) Ross River virus. If the people who end up with lingering consequences is only 5-10% that still means millions of people in trouble. Not a small deal.

 

[wayneL]

WTF ?

Yep there are other viruses that have long term effects. Thanks for highlighting those issues.

And thanks also for highlighting Saul Alinsky. First time I had seen his ideas. Interestingly enough the principles are well used by all organizing groups - including the Tea Party and white supremacists.

Regarding your attack on me and contempt for George Monbiot.

George researches his papers in detail. Anyone can go to the sources he uses to develop his argument. I offered at least 3 other references that have studied long covid and the impact it is having on millions of people. Frankly I was really surprised and disappointed that you dismissed out of hand the reality of this condition for people. I mean you have already pointed out that other illnesses can leave lingering long term problems. What is the point of trying to say COVID doesn't do the same ? Particularly when the evidence is so well documented ? It seems to me you are on automatic reflex sometimes.

The critical difference is the numbers involved. COVID is now endemic - unlike (thank heavens) Ross River virus. If the people who end up with lingering consequences is only 5-10% that still means millions of people in trouble. Not a small deal.

I stand by my comments. The moonbat (and you) is scaremongering. For what reason bas?

Re RR virus. It is endemic, I know at least a dozen people who have contracted this and there were long term effects in *EVERY* case. (Incidentally, horses suffer the same long term maladies from it).

I don't know anyone with "long Covid" (even if a real thing in rare cases) despite almost everyone I know having had it.

There is another non viral cause of long term deleterious effects - nihilism, hopelessness and depression, caused primarily by Marxist Moonbattery.

That is on people like you.

 

[basilio]

I stand by my comments. The moonbat (and you) is scaremongering. For what reason bas?

Re RR virus. It is endemic, I know at least a dozen people who have contracted this and there were long term effects in *EVERY* case. (Incidentally, horses suffer the same long term maladies from it).

I don't know anyone with "long Covid" (even if a real thing in rare cases) despite almost everyone I know having had it.

There is another non viral cause of long term deleterious effects - nihilism, hopelessness and depression, caused primarily by Marxist Moonbattery.

That is on people like you.