America a Failed State and a Rogue State to the rest of the World

[Knobby22]

The start of the breakdown of U.S. society ?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05...protests-scorch-city-police-precinct/12299136

The system is against them and it is meant to be for them.
No employment protection, expensive healthcare, lowest lifetimes in the West, no decent action with covad 19, cops are not acting for them. The social contract is broken.

So lucky to live in a country that cares about it's citizens.

Only a matter of time before Trump or someone in the future calls in the troops and sooner or later, they will fire into the crowd,cameras will be located on every corner with face recognition and all the rich will live in gated communities.

They need a decent President.

 

[qldfrog]

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The system is against them and it is meant to be for them.
No employment protection, expensive healthcare, lowest lifetimes in the West, no decent action with covad 19, cops are not acting for them. The social contract is broken.

So lucky to live in a country that cares about it's citizens.

Only a matter of time before Trump or someone in the future calls in the troops and sooner or later, they will fire into the crowd,cameras will be located on every corner with face recognition and all the rich will live in gated communities.

They need a decent President.

The president is the least of their concern, they need the end of the deep state, a renewal of all parties and a proper capitalistic system back, not the current corrupt one.
Once you can not go ahead and get rich starting from nothing,the US spirit is dead.democrats want to switch to the European model,state control of everything while the Republicans want the status quo.. big business outsourcing migration
Both are against the people...black would not be rioting in the streets just after 2 Obama presidencies..or was it 3..if a President could make a difference

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

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The president is the least of their concern, they need the end of the deep state, a renewal of all parties and a proper capitalistic system back, not the current corrupt one.
Once you can not go ahead and get rich starting from nothing,the US spirit is dead.democrats want to switch to the European model,state control of everything while the Republicans want the status quo.. big business outsourcing migration
Both are against the people...black would not be rioting in the streets just after 2 Obama presidencies..or was it 3..if a President could make a difference

The President is a bit like the Queen in Britain.

The USA has a choice between a psychopath who paints his skin and hair tangerine, and a guy with Alzheimers who I wouldn't send to the corner shop for a pack of cigarettes.

So as a figurehead and a pusher of the economy they are stuffed imo.

gg

 

[jbocker]

It is almost like the USA is imploding.
Like its about to collapse upon itself and is going through a near end frenzy.
Needs to simmer down (fall over) and take stock of itself.
God know who will lead them out.

I better turn off the TV and listen to something a little more soothing, ..like heavy metal.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

It is almost like the USA is imploding.
Like its about to collapse upon itself and is going through a near end frenzy.
Needs to simmer down (fall over) and take stock of itself.
God know who will lead them out.

I better turn off the TV and listen to something a little more soothing, ..like heavy metal.

Oh for some Black Sabbath.

gg

 

[Smurf1976]

I better turn off the TV and listen to something a little more soothing, ..

I've posted something suitable in the music thread.......

https://www.aussiestockforums.com/threads/music-what-are-asf-members-listening-to.2569/page-297

 

[SirRumpole]

I think this is a real worry for the US, Horace. And the fear is that it could spill over into other Western countries, including us.

I think we might be too complacent for that sort of thing wayne.

 

[Humid]

Oh for some Black Sabbath.

gg

I’m thinking more Rage against the machine.....language warning

 

[wayneL]

Jeez things are getting interesting. Riots in several cities now including DC, White House in lockdown.

I've had a feeling social order would break down, but a catalyst comes out of left field... Analogous to the US economy just looking for an excuse to go into the tank, covid supplying the cover.

 

[qldfrog]

Analogous to the US economy just looking for an excuse to go into the tank, covid supplying the cover.

indeed COVID the pretext, saw some footage of the reports, a lot of I suppose left wings white people in the riot, the culture of reciprocate hate between left right there is coming to its ultimate end: bloody fight
And the economies will follow .COVID a distraction, in no way a cause.The biggest scam in our history, surpassing the global warming most extreme claims.

 

[ducati916]

This has been the subject of study:

https://www.nature.com/news/human-cycles-history-as-science-1.11078



jog on
duc

 

[Knobby22]

Martin Luther: " A riot is the language of the unheard"

This is common to history, Les Miserables all over again.
25% unemployment, food queues, no treatment if you get the virus,

......the rich and powerful ensuring the ordinary people are left to suffer with little help but getting plenty of government support themselves.

Trump has sent in the army, a weak leader in the wrong place at the wrong time.

 

[fiftyeight]

I watched this doco on the Voyager probes recently, the USA really did achieve some amazing things.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6223974/

I am finding it increasingly hard to believe that the USA is a superpower, they look more and more like a failing superpower every day.

"Nothing can stop America when you get right down to it. Never bet against America", Buffet may be suffering some recency bias here, empires fall.

I am also finding it hard to be objective whenever Trump is involved. It boggles my mind that idiot is President. Good chance I am just stuck in my own little bubble, I make the token effort to follow a few people I disagree with on Twitter but that is definitely not representative sample of MAGA fans. BUT for the first time in a long time I get the feeling he is on the way out, or it is my bias, who knows anymore.

My simple theory goes;

I assume there were a few people fed up with the 'system' and voted for Trump as a FU vote or a 'lets see what would happen' vote. There were a few closet Trump supporters, I know some. Surrrrrrrrely he has lost a large portion of these voters.

I would also assume not many voters are looking at his presidency and thinking, wow this is going well, I didn't vote for Trump last time but I will this time. So limited new voters.

Ben Shaprio and others from that side of Twitter land have started calling Trump out.

There are A LOT more people now out of work, it is hard to see that changing even if the stock market goes to the moon.

Now he is also picking a fight with social media, that does not seem like a good idea.

On the flip side the electoral college system still exits, and Biden. How the Democrats could nominate Biden boggles the mind.

Ladbrokes has the election at roughly even money, not quite enough for me to have a punt.

 

[rederob]

Yet another sign that the USA has totally lost the plot.
By thinking it can continue to act alone in a globally interconnected world is madness on a presidential scale.

 

[Smurf1976]

I assume there were a few people fed up with the 'system' and voted for Trump as a FU vote or a 'lets see what would happen' vote. There were a few closet Trump supporters, I know some.

Everyone I know personally who's said positive things about Trump has said the same.

His good point is calling out the BS that is globalisation. There's no such thing as a level playing field and it's time to stop fooling ourselves that a race to the bottom is going to benefit anyone other than those right at the top of the economic pile.

His bad points are every aspect of the man personally. He's an extreme narcissist and compulsive liar who's not fit to be President.

But in the absence of the Democrats doing something to rein in globalisation, Trump is still plausibly the better choice despite his major flaws.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Everyone I know personally who's said positive things about Trump has said the same.

His good point is calling out the BS that is globalisation. There's no such thing as a level playing field and it's time to stop fooling ourselves that a race to the bottom is going to benefit anyone other than those right at the top of the economic pile.

His bad points are every aspect of the man personally. He's an extreme narcissist and compulsive liar who's not fit to be President.

But in the absence of the Democrats doing something to rein in globalisation, Trump is still plausibly the better choice despite his major flaws.

Unless the coronavirus takes both Trump and Biden.

gg

 

[qldfrog]

Everyone I know personally who's said positive things about Trump has said the same.

His good point is calling out the BS that is globalisation. There's no such thing as a level playing field and it's time to stop fooling ourselves that a race to the bottom is going to benefit anyone other than those right at the top of the economic pile.

His bad points are every aspect of the man personally. He's an extreme narcissist and compulsive liar who's not fit to be President.

But in the absence of the Democrats doing something to rein in globalisation, Trump is still plausibly the better choice despite his major flaws.

You are going to be crucified:
how dare you
...I just read in the Guardian/watched on ABC/CNN, etc etc

 

[qldfrog]

Would that happen in that failed state of the US?
https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/na...-suspended-for-two-years-20200529-p54xv8.html
Before criticizing others, we should sort our own ****; the real question is : was our red rob involved :-(
And how much has the CCP paid these low lives who did that decision

 

[Smurf1976]

Unless the coronavirus takes both Trump and Biden.

No offence to anyone but I do find it ridiculous that the choice is one old man versus another old man.

Surely they could find someone younger who's got a real reason to focus on the future given they'll be part of it.

 

[Knobby22]

Everyone I know personally who's said positive things about Trump has said the same.

His good point is calling out the BS that is globalisation. There's no such thing as a level playing field and it's time to stop fooling ourselves that a race to the bottom is going to benefit anyone other than those right at the top of the economic pile.

His bad points are every aspect of the man personally. He's an extreme narcissist and compulsive liar who's not fit to be President.

But in the absence of the Democrats doing something to rein in globalisation, Trump is still plausibly the better choice despite his major flaws.

Come on Smurf, he is an incompetent. Debt rising massively, China deal not working, China aren't even buying half the stuff off the USA that they said they would.

Not to mention his mishandling of the coronavirus and throwing petrol on the riots with his continuous dumb commentary.

Imagine what Ronald Reagan would say if he was still around. Republicans should find someone better.