America a Failed State and a Rogue State to the rest of the World

[ducati916]

1. Really ? They changed the act ? Along with 5 others that would need changing whilst I was asleep. I did quote the 1913 act. Someone else is able to issue notes and is doing so in the USA ?

2. I note, the two key issues where we stumble, you have gone they are irrelevant or not answered. Cash goes up and down and round and round. That 4.5% of the 1,000 billion increase in a month in M1 is via cash and the rest is something else seems to elude you.

3. On issue. That in 1920 the economy in the USA was 100 billion and in 2020, was 22.5 trillion, there would likely be say 10 billion of cash as such on issue. In 2020, USD is used instead of local currency on the main as the currency in 7 nations that the USA has invaded and destroyed. I believe each of them alone has 10 billion of USD in notes, in circulation. That's the whole total of the notes on issue in 1920.

4. Of course as the size of an economy rises, so too must the notes on issue. I did provide a long scale of notes issued and USA economy rose 250% and notes issued rose around 290%. The difference being likely invaded and destroyed economies of other nations. So i suppose yes, they printed more money, but irrelevant in the bigger picture. It moved a total of 40% NET in 20 years in the already provided Chart of notes and currency on issue. In the meantime, Afghanistan, Syria, Venezuela, even inside Iran, Yemen, Libya and Iraq. Likely I missed a few, now conduct part of in some cases most of their transactions in USD. There are others things such as the USA drug habit which are, amusing but the missing cash that month was likely a disruption in nose candy !!

Second easy one, is banks actions and Repo or QE flows.

You say its irrelevant.

Sadly so is monetary policy was your response.

5. Its missing the forest through the trees. Your myopic view of things. One dimensional. There are a few deeper dimensions which, since your not even seeing the first, I did not want to confuse you further.

6. I did try, however, failed. I await your answers to my curiosity before we proceed.

7. I would humbly ask you respond. Lawyer ? Or ex ? USA ? but not born there ? Language suspicion ?

8. It is relevant to our discussion we have been having.

1. You claim to have cited the Act. Where? I saw no citation in any of your posts. Of course I accept that it is possible that due the length and incoherency of your posts I missed it. Still, highlight this citation and I will discuss.

2. The issue under discussion is 'printing (creating/expanding) the money supply'. Cash is the issue. Therefore as far as this discussion is concerned, the rest is irrelevant.

3. And your point is?

4. Incorrect. There is no necessity to increase the volume of money in an expanding economy. That is the purpose and function of prices. This is simply economics. Government expands or inflates, for a reason.

5. Irrelevant.

6 - 7. Irrelevant.

8. How is it relevant?

jog on
duc

 

[kahuna1]

Morning Bert,

7. Uninterested.

Yep .. You should be.

1. Irrelevant to the issue(s) under discussion.

Actually it is, amusingly.

3. And your point is?

Cash ? Notes issued ? You are alluding to printing of cash as in currency.

4. Incorrect. There is no necessity to increase the volume of money in an expanding economy. That is the purpose and function of prices. This is simply economics. Government expands or inflates, for a reason

SO in the USA in 2020 there are 500,000 ATMs alone and in your world, the 10 billion in notes and coin on issue in 1920 are not needed to be increased ever and in 2020, these 500,000 ATMS likely have 50k on average in each of them. That being 25 billion all be themselves. Not counting multiples of cash on issue inside the banks themselves in the vaults, and the 1920 total issued cash .... of 10 billion is enough in 2020 ? But 25 billion is 250% of all the cash on issue in 1920 seems to be ignored ?

5. Irrelevant.

Uh huh doesn't suit you goals ?

6 - 7. Irrelevant.

Yep /..... Ditto above.

I must admit, I fell for it.

Whilst discussing printing money, cash notes ... is somewhat outside the thread, it is relevant in the USA debt size exploding.

I think I could and would talk around and around this topic, if that was something I would play. Sadly, I will not.

Who and what I am is relevant, not to my understanding, but ongoing issues that seem clear now.
Imagine if someone told the truth ? shock horror. Not to add weight to their argument but who or what they were and are ? Its relevance sadly will become clear. As a fossil and one who, well for now accept at face value I was telling and am telling the truth. Strange concept I suspect for some.

A person who started in 1982 in finance and whilst working full time may or may have gone to Uni part time at night done shall we say 2 full pages of courses undergrad and post grad that others would love to have on their CV. In the meantime went from a lowly bank teller to the head of trading of one of the largest institutions in the nation. That was 20 years ago. Instead of going to uni full time, I started working young. This I will add is not so relevant other than the following.

I sadly am honest. Long ago, central banks ruled the roost and at a very young age I was made a full dealer at a trading bank, aged 22. Unheard of. RBA the Reserve bank here in our nation, celebrated and sent an auditor to sit next to me for weeks. It occurred for about a 6 month period to every person promoted to full dealer at larger institutions. Supervision of markets was quite different back then. Over the years, now decades, its changed, but along the way imagine how much the various Government bodies and supervisors actually know about your experience, academic qualifications and so on ? It would make my head hurt. Not to sell products to the public, but strangely enough the goverment like to know they dont have maniacs or snake oil salespeople running their institutions or in senior positions.

Over the years, sadly, its been required at times to take action when needed.

For me, having been blessed I look upon posting to sites over the years as a thinking board, giving back to an industry I love and also back and forth to of course learn and discuss various things. Along the way many amusing things often occur.

One site in Australia, I actually got voted as the biggest looser by what appeared to be a group of posters for not agreeing to their ramping of a stock. It was a pump and dump. The stock was being pumped internally and externally, and on chat sites. Releases to the ASX were, at best false, directors were dumping the stock which had magically risen 40 fold via an internet chat room frenzy along with other forms to pump the stock. I got barred from the site, "hot copper" after sparring with some of the people promoting the stock. Over the years I tend not to get involved, unless, something annoys me.

I just went to the authorities with my suspicions and evidence, and amusingly enough, the rumors were from one source. He had multiple logon names and nics and he was charged. Dumpers f the stock were fined and so on.

Amusing to be told one has no attention to detail as an argument. Trading and back then, one only rose for that very trait, along with making money. Its rare I take action. One had the keynote speaker at an ASX conference suddenly not appear, a man who sold snake oil systems called Larry. Another amusing one was via a company with clearly insider trading going on, stock would fall, magically secret messages appeared on chat and trading sites and then magically an official release on the Stock Exchange would appear. Turned out the majority owner, his daughter, various family members and a stock broker were ramping the stock. It was amusing the end outcome.

I rarely act.

The owner of this site Aussie Joe seems like a reasonable fellow. He already has had legal issues with some idiots and he, like others is highly supervised via authorities. ASIC may appear its asleep, but it isn't. As most Australians know the Banking Royal commission gave them a very poor grade and their tolerance for shonky practices and scams and so on in 2020 is less than zero.

I have no desire to hurt or harm Aussie Joe's site or cause him any hassles. I would of course protect him if I could in a world where most, are not honest and many are doing things for ulterior motives.

Since you have seen fit to, well not answer my questions and that is your right, I was wondering since your clearly legally trained if you would care to comment before I proceed ?

I have some more questions I will ask and likely Joe the owner of the site will be fascinated as well.

 

[ducati916]

1. Cash ? Notes issued ? You are alluding to printing of cash as in currency.



2. SO in the USA in 2020 there are 500,000 ATMs alone and in your world, the 10 billion in notes and coin on issue in 1920 are not needed to be increased ever and in 2020, these 500,000 ATMS likely have 50k on average in each of them. That being 25 billion all be themselves. Not counting multiples of cash on issue inside the banks themselves in the vaults, and the 1920 total issued cash .... of 10 billion is enough in 2020 ? But 25 billion is 250% of all the cash on issue in 1920 seems to be ignored ?


3. Uh huh doesn't suit you goals ?
Yep /..... Ditto above.
I must admit, I fell for it.

4. Whilst discussing printing money, cash notes ... is somewhat outside the thread, it is relevant in the USA debt size exploding.

5. I think I could and would talk around and around this topic, if that was something I would play. Sadly, I will not.

6. Who and what I am is relevant, not to my understanding, but ongoing issues that seem clear now.
Imagine if someone told the truth ? shock horror. Not to add weight to their argument but who or what they were and are ? Its relevance sadly will become clear. As a fossil and one who, well for now accept at face value I was telling and am telling the truth. Strange concept I suspect for some.

7. A person who started in 1982 in finance and whilst working full time may or may have gone to Uni part time at night done shall we say 2 full pages of courses undergrad and post grad that others would love to have on their CV. In the meantime went from a lowly bank teller to the head of trading of one of the largest institutions in the nation. That was 20 years ago. Instead of going to uni full time, I started working young. This I will add is not so relevant other than the following.

8. I sadly am honest. Long ago, central banks ruled the roost and at a very young age I was made a full dealer at a trading bank, aged 22. Unheard of. RBA the Reserve bank here in our nation, celebrated and sent an auditor to sit next to me for weeks. It occurred for about a 6 month period to every person promoted to full dealer at larger institutions. Supervision of markets was quite different back then. Over the years, now decades, its changed, but along the way imagine how much the various Government bodies and supervisors actually know about your experience, academic qualifications and so on ? It would make my head hurt. Not to sell products to the public, but strangely enough the goverment like to know they dont have maniacs or snake oil salespeople running their institutions or in senior positions.

9. Over the years, sadly, its been required at times to take action when needed.

10. For me, having been blessed I look upon posting to sites over the years as a thinking board, giving back to an industry I love and also back and forth to of course learn and discuss various things. Along the way many amusing things often occur.

11. One site in Australia, I actually got voted as the biggest looser by what appeared to be a group of posters for not agreeing to their ramping of a stock. It was a pump and dump. The stock was being pumped internally and externally, and on chat sites. Releases to the ASX were, at best false, directors were dumping the stock which had magically risen 40 fold via an internet chat room frenzy along with other forms to pump the stock. I got barred from the site, "hot copper" after sparring with some of the people promoting the stock. Over the years I tend not to get involved, unless, something annoys me.

12. I just went to the authorities with my suspicions and evidence, and amusingly enough, the rumors were from one source. He had multiple logon names and nics and he was charged. Dumpers f the stock were fined and so on.

13. Amusing to be told one has no attention to detail as an argument. Trading and back then, one only rose for that very trait, along with making money. Its rare I take action. One had the keynote speaker at an ASX conference suddenly not appear, a man who sold snake oil systems called Larry. Another amusing one was via a company with clearly insider trading going on, stock would fall, magically secret messages appeared on chat and trading sites and then magically an official release on the Stock Exchange would appear. Turned out the majority owner, his daughter, various family members and a stock broker were ramping the stock. It was amusing the end outcome.

14. I rarely act.

15. The owner of this site Aussie Joe seems like a reasonable fellow. He already has had legal issues with some idiots and he, like others is highly supervised via authorities. ASIC may appear its asleep, but it isn't. As most Australians know the Banking Royal commission gave them a very poor grade and their tolerance for shonky practices and scams and so on in 2020 is less than zero.

16. I have no desire to hurt or harm Aussie Joe's site or cause him any hassles. I would of course protect him if I could in a world where most, are not honest and many are doing things for ulterior motives.

17. Since you have seen fit to, well not answer my questions and that is your right, I was wondering since your clearly legally trained if you would care to comment before I proceed ?

18. I have some more questions I will ask and likely Joe the owner of the site will be fascinated as well.

1. What is your point?

2. The point, which you either don't understand or choose to ignore is: any amount of money will suffice in an economy. There is no requirement to expand the money supply as an economy grows. Why? That is the function of the price system. This is economics. It is somewhat outside the scope of the discussion. You seem to have enough trying to focus on the issue. Which is:



3. Irrelevant.

4. Incorrect. The issue is: can the US print cash to retire their dollar denominated debt, without their currency imploding etc (as per above).

5. Irrelevant.

6. Who you are has zero relevance for me, either for or against. I am not interested. What you post (words, arguments, etc), is how this discussion moves forward to some form of conclusion, that interests me. Evidence that you provide: that interests me. So far, plenty of the former: nothing of the latter.

7 - 8. You are simply trying advance a 'White Coat' argument. I'm not interested in 'White Coat' arguments as they are simply logical fallacies. They prove nothing related to the issue(s).

9 - 14. Irrelevant.

15. Irrelevant.

16. Irrelevant.

17. Your questions have no relevance to the identified issues.

18. Irrelevant.

I note that you have not pointed me to your claimed references and citations of 1 or more Acts (sections/clauses/etc) that you claim to have provided, which would provide evidence for your original premise (see above at [2]).



I will at some point check the validity of your claim of citing the 1913 Act.

jog on
duc

 

[kahuna1]

the rest is irrelevant.

Please turn off your webcam.


Back with a response when the ringing clears.

 

[kahuna1]

Found these amusing and alarming ....

Despite public health experts repeatedly cautioning that developing an effective coronavirus vaccine will take at least a year to a year and a half, Trump claimed that the coronavirus will “go away at some point” and declared – without evidence – that a vaccine would be ready “by the end of the year, maybe before.”Trump urged state governments to reopen their economies regardless of whether the timeline was met, suggesting that the lack of a vaccine would not prevent the U.S. from reopening. “I just want to make something clear. It’s very important: Vaccine or no vaccine, we’re back,” Trump said. “We’re starting the process.”(CNN / Politico / CNBC / NBC News / New York Times)

Trump called coronavirus testing “frankly overrated,” despite health experts insisting that it is critical to safely reopen businesses.(The Hill / Politico)

Trump Administration Wants Bosses to Snitch on People Scared to Go to Work
The Department of Labor quietly issued guidance on Monday telling states that rooting out unemployment fraud is a “top priority.”

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/...sses-to-snitch-on-people-scared-to-go-to-work

It must just be me. The virus numbers have been getting worse for 11 states, not doing much testing in another 22 states and reported deaths just hit 90,000.

As per normal expect reported USA numbers for Sunday to dramatically drop due to VP Mike Pence and most of the remaining CV19 task force likely door knocking without masks asking to read the bible with you whilst coughing.

Incorrect about Dr Fauci not appearing with Trump again. He did, but wearing a mask. He did not speak. Possibly Emperor had him gagged or more likely had his tongue removed for not praising Dr Trump enough.

Stay safe and we are blessed here.

Take care

Mark

 

[kahuna1]

Yipee ....

Chopper talk. A drug that does not work but makes things worse !!
Then supposedly they had a new plan ? New bleached Trump cultist press sec ... waving the plan.
One wonders why they did not follow it.

1st March they had done ... USA ... the whole of it .... 121 tests !!
10th March 8,322 tests .... f or 330 million.

NSW which is 7.54 mio people had done 10,165 tests .... on the 10th March.
https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/news/Pages/20200310_01.aspx

That is adjusted for population size a ratio of more than 20/1.

USA did not catch up till recently and its infection rate overall of course is 15 times Australia.

Yes this chopper talk is all that USA media will publish, however the reality of past actions and incompetence is only matched by what is going on NOW. Today !!

Not dwelling in the past. They should have been sacked for that. Sending states with infection rates ABOVE Italy back to work ? Active infection rates. Its hard to pick which is more obscene the past ? Or the future ?

We as non doctors know full well what occurs with this virus and its spread.
USA strangely is having massive protest of non mask wearing people who refuse to wear it, Trump is encouraging them and he attacks at the start of the following BS ... a governor from a State of course NON Republican state who is trying to protect his people via distancing and stay at home. Thanks moron is openly encouraging protests. Openly tweeting liberate the state and protest. His cult and fanatics to not wear masks ... this moron did not and does not wear one even at a CV19 hospital.

If your even wondering the outcome in coming months ?

THIS IS A VIRUS.

He is a moron. Moron verses virus ? Death and infection rates will and are actually now rising in 10 states with absurd active infection rates 10 times our own here in OZ.

Its not going to end well. Not a doomsday prediction but one, even a fanatic should be able to miss. Then again, having had a few discussions with fanatics even recently, they ignore, or claim things are irrelevant when it does not suit them. No amount of fact or reasoning will change a cultists view. No rational discussion with Trump cult members will work. Even requesting they distance when outside is an attack on their freedoms. Asking them to wear a mask brings a tantrum of epic proportions.

Here is the following ... Chopper Talk ... by Resident of the White House Mr Trump !

I will add the market loved this BS .... a drug that does not work .... propaganda and more ... idiotic crap. He did this pre close and any excuse to rally ....

I personally dont see how any office block can work with social distancing.
At say 40 stories and 6 lifts, and 3 minutes per ride since everyone will be pressing the button. If you have 2 people in a lift, it will take 12 hours to go up and 12 hours to go down. Fire stairs with 5,000 people on them are a not go zone.

I am not sure if office blocks or units are going to be worth much unless we get a vaccine.

Meanwhile ... stand if you must ... place your hand over your heart ... try not to laugh at his following chopper talk !!

 

[joeno]

Never would i imagine there would be almost 100,000 deaths from Coronavirus in the US alone! That's with the refusal to test in some areas of the country, the constant lies and exaggeration to boot.

I guestimated 30,000 when the virus was scourging Italy as a high-end ballpark. But boy did they exceed all expectations. Whatever happened to "i banned flights coming from Chy-Na from day one. We're doing better than 99% of the world. I banned from Europe too"??

It's almost like... they've had this virus spreading in the US since late last year

 

[rederob]

Never would i imagine there would be almost 100,000 deaths from Coronavirus in the US alone! That's with the refusal to test in some areas of the country, the constant lies and exaggeration to boot.

I guestimated 30,000 when the virus was scourging Italy as a high-end ballpark. But boy did they exceed all expectations. Whatever happened to "i banned flights coming from Chy-Na from day one. We're doing better than 99% of the world. I banned from Europe too"??

It's almost like... they've had this virus spreading in the US since late last year

I looked over the US death rate and it is actually very high, irrespective of any fudging.
Right now US deaths are on target to exceed 150K, and that's not factoring in positive cases beyond today's date.
I cannot see the US with less than 200k deaths unless something drastic happens.

 

[Knobby22]

If you look at the increase in overalldeaths for the same period it is around 10,000 a day.

 

[kahuna1]

I will add the market loved this BS .... a drug that does not work .... propaganda and more ... idiotic crap. He did this pre close and any excuse to rally ....

Sigh.

A vaccine company given 483 million USD will say whatever.
Not to be a downer, but, to to plot back to work peasants .... the magic cure again.

Moderna this company ... is very very slick. Its shark tank presentation to Trump won the money. A company that has never had a drug approved, ever nor a vaccine.

WHO ... World health is wondering IF an actual vaccine will occur and that's 199 nations efforts pooled ... and USA rallies near 4% on this crap ?

Seriously ? A vaccine and in that any vaccine takes time to test. A long time. TO see what and if it works, See if there are longer term side effects. Basically needs 9 months or more ... if not 12-18 months of close monitoring given this bloody virus.

How long antibodies actually last for this virus ... is UNKNOWN. Its new. Reliable NON USA ... research is showing some serious issues on this front. Massive in fact. Moderna ... this crap ... like the Malaria drug but, well .... rah rah rha USA USA USA ....

But NOPE .... back to work peasants.

We will conduct instead of the anti vaccine party where idiots infect each others children with measles or chicken pox, NO .,.. USA is conducting an anti vax infection party with EBOLA .... I am sure its going to go well. CZV19 is not Ebola, but it also is not the flu.

We are starved for good news.
This test on 8 people ... stage one ... STILL in the article is talking about maybe by January 2021 for a rollout. I have my extreme doubts given the other magic cures. Supposedly stage 2 test in June and 3 in July. NO gap ... or wait for them ... lets test on humans .No gap to see if stage 2 works and is safe prior to testing on thousands stage 3 ? One month ?

Maybe enroll death row prisoners ? Just tell them its a vitamin shot !!


Are they mad ?



I wish I could have some faith or belief the company in question was anything other than a sham like Trump. Of course only time will tell.

So glad the bleach treatment works and strong light.

Fascinating but, equally disturbing.

Take care

 

[kahuna1]

The ex-pharma exec leading Trump's COVID-19 vaccine program has $10 million in stock options for a company getting federal funding
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/...10m-holding-moderna-conflict-2020-5?r=US&IR=T

Company being Moderna ... of course. ... the one with the supposed results.

Note the word OPTIONS .... which given the stock just rose 50% in a day likely were out of the money ones worth 10 million pre 50% rise, worth god knows what now.

Really ? Is anything at all normal or honest about USA in 2020. Not a question. A joke.

Whilst I suppose testing 8 people to see if their head does not drop off when given a vaccine is positive, reality is pre clinical trials usually in animals shows if they produce antibodies. Monkeys the usual used. I have not read Moderna's pre clinical stuff but I would be surprised if they did not and had not got an antibody response in monkeys.

About 95% of things that go to trials, FAIL, and only go to human trials after there is some promise shown ... to warrant it.

I just glanced at the article ... the person leading Trumps task force, this person .... not only options in Moderna ... he is an ex director of a company called MODERNA .

The one that just announced it was having success. I am choking back the laughter at these clowns. A used car salesman Trump and his fellows.

This clown is now saying he will offload his options. Mission accomplished.

Whilst not an anti vaccine person and awaiting a safe and well tested CV19 one, I would rather let all 330 million Americans be crash test dummies for some time prior to using this one.

It is after all only a game to Trump and his fellows. Human cost is an aside at the country club.

Next step in Trumps plan is to dumb down the numbers. Already in action as CDC is being told only to report those with CV19 and green hair to be counted in any reports.

Thankfully outside USA 199 nations are working together.

 

[rederob]

My Irish friend laughs when Kiwis say "six" and they laugh when he says it's "a terd."



Was he talking about the Us President, or the number of global deaths under his watch?

 

[kahuna1]

This is absurd.

USA is reporting about 23,000 Convid19 new cases a day.

Canada and UK are having about 50% that rate per million population.

Germany and Italy are having about 10% that rate per million population.

Australia and New Zealand are reporting 1% of the USA rate of infections.

EU and Aus and NZ locked down for double the time.

USA is opening up with on the main less restrictions than every other nation,
with 10 times more infections being identified each day verses EU.

Yesterday USA announced some vaccine showed promise. It may or may not work, about 5% of stage one trails make it to being approved. At the same time President DR Trump announced he was taking a dangerous drug for malaria which has now being scientifically tested in 5 studies with diabolical results.

That USA recently announced another drug worked, which again has massive and extreme side effects, yet half the approval board was either in the employ of the drug company or had been. This new Vaccine, so far only a director of the company now resigned is running the USA government development program for Covid19 vaccine. No conflict of interest seen at all !!!

Are we to believe this new vaccines results are real ? The last drug, an anti viral has NOT released the full study a even month latter. What was released, was not a control group study, it was not blind tested and serious side effects were removed from results just to name a few things. It was even OPEN LABEL making it more of a joke. Oh and the trial was run under the drug companies supervision. Nothing like cherry picking who is included. A total farce !!

Is this new vaccine one with promise ? When the President of the USA is actually promoting a dangerous drug proven to be fatal ? Is it bleach or some other insane cure ?

Of course the narrative is go back to work USA, its safe. The vaccine company did say possibly by January 2021 they MAY have a vaccine.

That is at best, maybe … possibly … 5% chance given past 2000 odd clinical trials that get approved from stage 1 and the USA thinks its safe ?

We have NO idea right now how long these antibodies even last. NONE. About 4 weeks is the longest measured time so far.

Too hard to work out what is hot air and reality.

Meanwhile, USA locked down for half the time will send its workers back. Some states encourage people to report people NOT going back to their jobs.

This with 10 times more infected people being identified than Germany and Italy ?

100 times more than Australia and NZ ?

And maybe, maybe in 8 months 10 days, so 255 days, MAYBE there is a vaccine which will take months to deploy at best.

What happens in those 255 days, if not quite a bit longer, till a valid vaccine is found ?

Germany and EU nations are being ultra cautious as they open back up as is Australia and NZ. Will America get more or less infections post this date than Germany or Italy adjusted for population ?

Does American leadership even care ? Clearly via action not at all !!

Whilst its irrelevant for now if this vaccine works eventually, we likely face 8 plus more months of extreme social distancing for those outside Australia and NZ. How far does the USA go from 90,000 deaths reported in the meantime ?

I suspect in years to come this period will be studied by historians and others with complete disbelief at the reality here, now, today USA time 18th May 2020.

Whilst positive the Moderna results, that they produced antibodies in animal testing already was known. Hardly a big thing that the same occurs in human apes as opposed to tests the already did on monkeys.

Second there are 100 or so vaccines under investigation, of which 8 outside China and 4 inside are in stage one trials. OF them including Moderna around 5 show promise. Two of them are Chinese.

Stage one trials are to make sure the vaccine does not kill people or cause massive side effects. This Moderna trial was on 8 people.

OF stage one trials, only 5% make it to a vaccine or drug being approved. Possibly this number will be higher, but its unlikely. Reason being, is that in stage 2,3 trails many are found to show promise initially, but fail when tested more widely.

A vaccine that kills 1 person in 500 is not an effective vaccine. At this stage we have no idea if the antibodies supposedly shown actually protect against infection. Again a crucial question. Does it work on elderly people and if so how well ? Vaccines tend to not be as effective, ever, on elderly people.

The list of questions yet to be answered is massive. Whilst yes, getting antibodies is a positive, its virtually meaningless at this stage. As 2020 progresses its likely of the 100 vaccines under development we see likely half of them enter clinical trials. I DO remain positive about a vaccine being found over time, but, relaxing and rejoining in the meantime for a very infected nation is idiotic. Virus is holding it own party for the imbeciles.

One hand one must have hope there is a vaccine yet to be found that will work. Realistically an at best time frame is not January 2021 but mid 2021 for a meaningful deployment and vaccination of people to be making any impact.

Think about that, think about a person touting an already proven to be dangerous Malaria drug in charge of anything to do with a vaccine being developed. Are you kidding ?

If your reading this from a high infection nation where the virus is very active and widespread, social distance. Wear a bloody mask. Even entering a lift with 7 people in it when infection rates are 100 times our own is a game of Russian roulette.

That a vaccine MAY or may not be ready by January 2021 makes no difference if you get this virus prior to that date or more likely a July 1st 2021 realistic time for the vaccine being seriously deployed.

Lastly, yet again, people getting reinfected remains a thing that cannot be ignored. There are over 1,000 cases so far. One can pretend of course, however its becoming clear this question needs to be fully resolved. So too how long antibodies last after it. Again on the latter its appearing more encouraging, however people who get infected again or get sick again and again, is contradicting this. Did they get false negative tests when still actively infected ? Is it dead virus being shed, which cannot be the case for some who fall seriously ill weeks and now months after being released.

Too much delusional rubbish. Economic impacts on world economies are to be ignored in favour of a President who is promoting taking bleach ?

Denial, political BS … or being told something is irrelevant or incorrect whilst likely 200,000 more Americans die between now and the vaccine is sadly clear.

That's close to 300,000 dead Americans by end of January 2021 at best.Add to that around double that number with extreme long term damage to organs and lungs from the virus.

Will they elect someone who managed to test a total of 121 Americans by 1st March 2020 ?

On 5th March 2,188 tests for 330 million Americans is good ?

Or 8,332 tested by 10th March for 330 million people ?

Even by 15th March 2020 a mere 39,448- tests for 330 million people is and will always be pathetic.

One cannot write what one hopes for about President of the USA and touted magic cures along with self medication when the above numbers, and current actions, will likely KILL 300,000 Americans. About 250,000 MORE than would have occurred if they acted like German or NZ or Australia.

Pathetic whilst congratulating themselves every step of the way. Attacking and blaming everyone else, other nations, other parties, even officials he appointed. What does Hillary Clinton or Obama have to do with the virus ? Or a long list of others he attacks.

America has a real chance of dissolving prior to a vaccine being developed. People and its people, now worthless serfs do actually matter. They have worth. Since your not wearing a sign around your neck when infected, I would be concerned if I was one of those elites or imbeciles. No guns needed, just go to a protest march to liberate people and cough. Burger Mr President ?

Back when USA hit 125,000 deaths which is on or around June 26th 2020.



The rest, I cant watch any longer. I would wish it went away magically, like a child, reality and scientists tell a very sobering and clinically backed assured outcome for 2020. Is it time for another tantrum ? That works for many.

 

[joeno]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sea-Spray

If rumours are true then this is not the first time the US government has used biological weapons on their own people, then lied and tried to cover it up.

"Between 1949 and 1969 open-air tests of biological agents were conducted 239 times."

"On October 11, 1950, eleven residents checked into Stanford Hospital for very rare, serious urinary tract infections. Although ten residents recovered, one patient, Edward J. Nevin, died three weeks later."

 

[rederob]

Here's what the USA does when government employees don't manipulate data.
As @kahuna1 has pointed out above, the USA is desperately trying to make it's numbers less alarming, and as Fauci has learned, honesty is not the best policy if your want to keep doing your job.

Meanwhile, Trump chose to heap blame on the WHO in the midst of the World Health Assembly's meeting, which had COV19 as a principle theme. Not content with mere words, Trump is threatening to pull funding from the WHO.

It has been tragic for almost 100000 Americans that Trump has refused sound advice for so long. However, a large slab of America's population continue to back this poor excuse for a national leader, so another 100000 dead probably will continue to be water of a duck's back.

 

[rederob]

Trump refuses to wear a mask, and today broke Michigan State law during a visit to an auto plant.
It's actually a clever ploy to divert attention away from his main game, which is to let businesses get away with corporate and environmental murder, while separately ensuring he and his cronies cannot be investigated.

One good bit of good news from the World Health Assembly this week was that all nations will have their response to the COV19 pandemic evaluated. And as the USA supported this action, they will have no basis for sidestepping those conclusions which are highly likely to show how poorly the USA performed.

 

[SirRumpole]

The start of the breakdown of U.S. society ?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05...protests-scorch-city-police-precinct/12299136

 

[wayneL]

The start of the breakdown of U.S. society ?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05...protests-scorch-city-police-precinct/12299136

I think this is a real worry for the US, Horace. And the fear is that it could spill over into other Western countries, including us.

 

[basilio]

The start of the breakdown of U.S. society ?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05...protests-scorch-city-police-precinct/12299136

Perhaps.

But I think the real petrol on the fire that will torch the US will come from good old Aussies.
The Chaser have posted a purler of tweet that should create some creative copies from a million other people.

“Social media should not fact check posts” says child molester Mark Zuckerberg



Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg has today hit out at Twitter owner Jack Dorsey following blowback from the White House on twitter’s plans to factcheck tweets. “Social media companies should not be acting as factcheckers and arbiters of the truth,” announced Zuckerberg this afternoon, “also by the way I like to spread peanut butter on the wall and lick it off while naked.”

The billionaire social media mogul, who spends his free time taking candy from children, instead suggested that social media companies should allow all speech on their platforms, and only intervene if there was a threat of imminent harm to someone’s life, like the woman he keeps chained in his basement.

“On the other hand, I just really like the taste of goat urine,” explained Zuckerberg thoughtfully, “can’t get enough.”

https://chaser.com.au/world/social-...ck-posts-says-child-molester-mark-zuckerberg/

 

[basilio]

https://www.theguardian.com/technol...zuckerbergs-position-on-facebook-factchecking