War threat in Ukraine

[Dona Ferentes]

I generally use the BBC, Financial Times, WSJ, NYT, Times of London, Washington Post and the Guardian. I like to get as wide a view as possible.

I find the Institute for the Study of War to have good Intel. Daily evaluations, taking geolocation as confirmation (for the Telegram and Facebook posts).. It is mainly focused on analysis of Russian moves.

I have watched RT but it was obvious propaganda so don't anymore.. ....Russia is a totalitarian dictatorship.

Sometimes I fear.

Russian recidivism is alarming.

 

[Craton]

@Garpal Gumnut. As close to the real time action from across the globe and all done in the safety of one's cave.

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[noirua]

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Ukraine's military, after defeating a Russian attempt to storm the capital Kyiv and forcing Russian soldiers to withdraw from across the north of the country, must now also shift their focus to reinforcing southern and eastern flanks.

 

[noirua]

The best political weapon is the weapon of terror. Cruelty commands respect. Men may hate us. But, we don't ask for their love; only for their fear.
Heinrich Himmler

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

NATO will have to get on the ground in Ukraine.

Otherwise next stops for the fascist Russians will be , Moldova, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Finland and Poland.

gg

 

[Dona Ferentes]

NATO will have to get on the ground in Ukraine
gg

The open ground of the Donbass steppe is far more suited to tank assaults than Kyiv area, where ambush was easy. If the Russians can make coordinated attacks with air support, they could break through the static lines of 2014.

Then it will be different . Poor Ukraine.

 

[noirua]

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[moXJO]

The open ground of the Donbass steppe is far more suited to tank assaults than Kyiv area, where ambush was easy. If the Russians can make coordinated attacks with air support, they could break through the static lines of 2014.

Then it will be different . Poor Ukraine.

They need to take a page of Iran's tactics. Similar flat ground mound up the dirt (with breaks between) with tanks behind.

They will need air defense though.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

There has been quite a game change these past few hours.

A land based Ukranian missile has sunk the Battleship Moskva. ( The same one told by the Ukrainian to F off at the beginning of the fascist invasion by Russia)

500 men lost. Hundreds of millions of hardware and missiles exploded.

Nonetheless the Ukranians will attempt to capture it for their Navy.



gg

 

[Dona Ferentes]

There has been quite a game change these past few hours.

A land based Ukranian missile has sunk the Battleship Moskva. ( The same one told by the Ukrainian to F off at the beginning of the fascist invasion by Russia)

500 men lost. Hundreds of millions of hardware and missiles exploded.

Do we know the casualties? Pretty obvious what started the fire. Ukraine said the 186m-long vessel was struck by their Neptune missiles.

The Russian Defence ministry's statement said: "The cruiser Moskva's ammunition has detonated as a result of a fire on the warship. "The vessel is seriously damaged. The entire crew have been evacuated. The cause of the blaze is being investigated."

The warship's main armaments are P-1000 Vulkan anti-ship missiles, range 700km.

Maybe an oligarch could send a super-yacht to look for survivors?

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

There has been quite a game change these past few hours.


Do we know the casualties? Pretty obvious what started the fire. Ukraine said the 186m-long vessel was struck by their Neptune missiles.

The Russian Defence ministry's statement said: "The cruiser Moskva's ammunition has detonated as a result of a fire on the warship. "The vessel is seriously damaged. The entire crew have been evacuated. The cause of the blaze is being investigated."

The warship's main armaments are P-1000 Vulkan anti-ship missiles, range 700km.

Maybe an oligarch could send a super-yacht to look for survivors?

Casualties unknown. Kremlin admits a fire and casualties. Osint on twitter and similar are confusing. Ukrainians claim it is sunk.

Many claim these land based to ship missiles will neutralise Russian Navy in the Black Sea.

Biden is promising close to a $Billion more weapons and there is talk of Blinken visiting Kyiv.

gg

 

[Value Collector]

No absolutely nobody should think that. Did you miss the war in Afghanistan? The US failed against literal primitive goat herders living in caves using hand me down weapons.

The invasion and occupation of Afghanistan was a success, the Tailban didn’t retake the country until the USA was pulling out, the Afghan government failed, not the USA military.

Same thing will happen in Ukraine, Russia will have to occupy the country if they want to stop it reverting back to Ukraine rule, there is basically no way to stop a country reverting back unless the people themselves reject it.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

The invasion and occupation of Afghanistan was a success, the Tailban didn’t retake the country until the USA was pulling out, the Afghan government failed, not the USA military.

Same thing will happen in Ukraine, Russia will have to occupy the country if they want to stop it reverting back to Ukraine rule, there is basically no way to stop a country reverting back unless the people themselves reject it.

I'm quite surprised by the ineffectiveness of the Russian forces.

They cannot cope with high tech weapons from Ukraine.

I'd be putting a few dollars on Ukraine pushing them out of all their territories incl. Donbas and Crimea.

Russia = USSR incompetence atm.

gg

 

[Value Collector]

I'm quite surprised by the ineffectiveness of the Russian forces.

They cannot cope with high tech weapons from Ukraine.

I'd be putting a few dollars on Ukraine pushing them out of all their territories incl. Donbas and Crimea.

Russia = USSR incompetence atm.

gg

Same, I have been surprised too, I guess the USA is lucky that the Afghans didn’t have javelins and stingers

 

[Dona Ferentes]

Same, I have been surprised too, I guess the USA is lucky that the Afghans didn’t have javelins and stingers

Ah but they did (Stingers at least, as they were developed in the early 1980s

According to the 1993 US Air Defense Artillery Yearbook, the Mujahideen gunners used the supplied Stingers to score approximately 269 total aircraft kills in about 340 engagements, a 79% kill probability.[27] If this report is accurate, Stingers would be responsible for over half of the 451 Soviet aircraft losses in Afghanistan.

There was a buyback in the 1990s and quite a high priority in 2001 to collect them all up from disparate groups

 

[3 hound]

The invasion and occupation of Afghanistan was a success

Holy crap, the internet coughs up some weird stuff but your comment above is the most batshit craziest thing I have ever read. This is some kind of milestone for the internet.

 

[Value Collector]

Ah but they did (Stingers at least, as they were developed in the early 1980s


There was a buyback in the 1990s and quite a high priority in 2001 to collect them all up from disparate groups

Yeah I know, I think 3 were fired at USA aircraft, but they didn’t have shipments of 100’s and 1000’s of them coming in like a conveyor belt.

The Taliban also had fighter jets, but their pilots bailed when USA declared war, they didn’t want to go up against the USA airforce with only 6 light fighters.

 

[3 hound]

Yeah I know, I think 3 were fired at USA aircraft, but they didn’t have shipments of 100’s and 1000’s of them coming in like a conveyor belt.

The Taliban also had fighter jets, but their pilots bailed when USA declared war, they didn’t want to go up against the USA airforce with only 6 light fighters.

Not sure if there are hidden posts but this makes no sense in the discussion??

I may have accidentally put someone on ignore??

 

[Value Collector]

Holy crap, the internet coughs up some weird stuff but your comment above is the most batshit craziest thing I have ever read. This is some kind of milestone for the internet.

How was the invasion not a success?

The USA invaded Afghanistan to dismantle Al Qaeda and topple the Taliban government, the Taliban were dislodged out of the government and capital within weeks.

It wasn’t until 20 years after the invasion that the USA left and the Taliban retook power.

You are confusing a successful invasion and occupation with being able to install a successful puppet government to rule when you leave?

 

[Value Collector]

Not sure if there are hidden posts but this makes no sense in the discussion??

I may have accidentally put someone on ignore??

That was a reply to Dona ferntas above, she may have you on ignore.