War threat in Ukraine

[3 hound]

@3 hound , i recently joined here and your just being a smart arse bro . Why you deliberately starting shite with long serving members and trying to piss em all off ?? like most of us you know jack shittt about the Ukraine/Russian/ Afgan people /Iraq war and US foreign policy except what your feed on 7 news or talk back radio.

Thanks for adding nothing of value to the discussion.

Hope you feel better.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

@3 hound , i recently joined here and your just being a smart arse bro . Why you deliberately starting shite with long serving members and trying to piss em all off ?? like most of us you know jack shittt about the Ukraine/Russian/ Afgan people /Iraq war and US foreign policy except what your feed on 7 news or talk back radio.

@GG , ease up on the big words ''virtuosos with a less than sesquipedalian...Corporal Jones '', no offence man but you making a dick of yourself trying to sound intelligent . Whats Corporal james got to do with this for christ sakes ??

My view on the situation. Ukraine were warned and warned and warned for past 10 years not to poke the bear but didnt listen, who's at fault ?? now it's turned into a bloody mess , tragic ! China seems to be the only ones making any sense , encouraging a seat at the table to resolve via diplomacy.

Thanks @Iron Triangle .

I'll try.

My attempts at humour sometimes fly over the heads of others and causes unnecessary hurt. I apologise. My mother dropped me on my head when I was a baby and I've been making a dick of myself ever since.

The Corporal Jones ( not James ) remark was an allusion to a remark made in an ancient British TV show called Dad's Army in response to the floccinaucinihilipilification of @3 hound .

The only other thing I would like to say in reply is that I am intelligent.

gg

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Now that all the f**ting has finished can we get back to discussing Ukraine.

gg

 

[rederob]

Given that the war THREAT turned into a WAR, why is everyone posting in the wrong thread?
Just askin'.

(ps. @Dona Ferentes - a penny or a shilling for your thoughts?)

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Given that the war THREAT turned into a WAR, why is everyone posting in the wrong thread?
Just askin'.

(ps. @Dona Ferentes - a penny or a shilling for your thoughts?)

I guess this was the first thread and until recently provided the most intelligent and useful information on the geopolitical situation in Ukraine, Russia and Europe.

Perhaps it has run its course with all the animus generated.

It is @Craton 's call, I believe he started it. There is a Russian Invasion thread.

Perhaps a whole new thread might be unnecessary if @Joe Blow could merge the two under Russian Invasion.

gg

 

[Dona Ferentes]

Given that the war THREAT turned into a WAR, why is everyone posting in the wrong thread?

Technically according to the aggressor, it isn't a war but a military excursion or some such nonsense.

(ps. @Dona Ferentes - a penny or a shilling for your thoughts?)

It is what I say it is. LoL

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

One of the reasons I would suggest that NATO become more involved on the ground in Ukraine is that Russia will designate minorities in adjacent European countries as an excuse to further continue its fascist hegemony against sovereign states.

It appears as if it may now target Latvia according to Samuel Ramani a respected commentator and
DPhil/PhD Intl Relations Uni of Oxford Assoc Fellow @RUSI_org with Bylines @ForeignPolicy The Washington Post and 3 forthcoming books
from HurstPublishers Email samuel.ramani@gmail.com




This what the West is dealing with.

NATO needs to call Putin's bluff.

gg

 

[Craton]

You


You are pretty sure of yourself that you have the correct take on things.

No offence but I am always dubious about people that are convinced they have the correct take on deeply complex geo-political issues.

How you wound ant-vax in there is impressive.

I just know there are a lot of Aussies that a month ago didn't know Ukraine from from their butthole but it hits the news and viola, they are instant experts.

I'm sure that my take is this.
Freedom comes at a price, Ukraine is demonstrating how much and how to pay for it.

Now you just keep on posting away but do allow me to thank you, thank you for showing me your true baiting and trolling colours.

 

[Craton]

I guess this was the first thread and until recently provided the most intelligent and useful information on the geopolitical situation in Ukraine, Russia and Europe.

Perhaps it has run its course with all the animus generated.

It is @Craton 's call, I believe he started it. There is a Russian Invasion thread.

Perhaps a whole new thread might be unnecessary if @Joe Blow could merge the two under Russian Invasion.

gg

Umm, doesn't Basilio have the OP?

I'll leave the merging decision to Joe however, I noted that the title could be construed to mean a far more reaching war than just in Ukraine.

 

[Iron Triangle]

''Thanks @Iron Triangle .

I'll try.

My attempts at humour sometimes fly over the heads of others and causes unnecessary hurt. I apologise. My mother dropped me on my head when I was a baby and I've been making a dick of myself ever since.

The Corporal Jones ( not James ) remark was an allusion to a remark made in an ancient British TV show called Dad's Army in response to the floccinaucinihilipilification of @3 hound .

The only other thing I would like to say in reply is that I am intelligent.

gg''

No thanks required , using more silly words again ? GG you blocked me i cannot see your posts when i'm logged in ? , no biggy really but i noticed you didnt have the balls to post that ^ , lol . You might believe and say you are intelligent GG , and thats great but i'm not convinced. Over and out.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Umm, doesn't Basilio have the OP?

I'll leave the merging decision to Joe however, I noted that the title could be construed to mean a far more reaching war than just in Ukraine.

My mistake.

I suppose though that the wider threat of war because of the invasion of Ukraine merits the continuation of the thread.

Bucha shows that it is all out war now. The longer NATO prevaricate the more emboldened Putin will become.

It would appear the Russians are using genocide as a weapon now, orders coming from the top, from Putin's desk.





gg

 

[Stockbailx]

Watching the news this morning. Tells of a Russian Convoy heading east towards the Donbas region, more troops, tanks, planes etc, kilometres long. Rather distasteful, considering the Ukrainians, have a lot on there plate already, with their hands full in that area tripping to conquer the Russians.

Brings me to my usual argument; "Where's there support in the air and on the ground".

 

[Stockbailx]

"Food for thought" One of my many inquiry's into the process of serving Ukraine is there pledged support for assisting Ukraine actually getting to the Ukrainians, and how could it be with there being no air or troops offered to the Ukrainians from bitchie Bidens. US NATO.

2days ago

 

[Stockbailx]

Watching the news this morning. Tells of a Russian Convoy heading east towards the Donbas region, more troops, tanks, planes etc, kilometres long. Rather distasteful, considering the Ukrainians, have a lot on there plate already, with their hands full in that area tripping to conquer the Russians.

Brings me to my usual argument; "Where's there support in the air and on the ground".

Ukraine busy in the east. If you want to catch up on the history towards the lead up to this war watch this vid...

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

A full European embargo on Russian gas and oil would stop the Ukraine invasion by fascist Russia.

From the BBC.

Full embargo on oil could stop war - ex-Putin aide

President Putin's former chief economic adviser tells the BBC Western countries could stop the war.

www.bbc.co.uk

gg

 

[Craton]

With Russia massing on the eastern front (!) where most of the oil and gas assets are, apart from Putin's claim that Ukraine is essentially Russian, you'd have to reckon he has got his eyes on those other big prizes.

Ukraine's fabulous resources both above ground (the rich black soil) and what lies below.

 

[3 hound]

With Russia massing on the eastern front (!) where most of the oil and gas assets are, apart from Putin's claim that Ukraine is essentially Russian, you'd have to reckon he has got his eyes on those other big prizes.

Ukraine's fabulous resources both above ground (the rich black soil) and what lies below.

You could also argue that's also why NATO/EU have encroached.

Humans fighting over commodities and resources - such a novel concept.

 

[Craton]

NATO-Russia relations: the facts​

 

[3 hound]

NATO-Russia relations: the facts​

You actually use NATO as your source of facts to support NATO's claims.

Everything on that site may well be 110% true but seriously only in 2022 internet can people use as evidence A's version of events to prove A is right and B is wrong. No offence but have to have a wee giggle. Imagine this standard being used in a law court;

Prosecutor: did you rob the bank.
Suspect: no.
Judge: suspect is proven innocent, case closed.

Let me point you to China's facts that China has the best human rights record on the planet, I bet China's website is bigger and has more colours than yours. That is what you have just done.

Now I not disputing anything that NATO says about itself or Russia is untrue it's just your audacity to link to NATO to prove NATO good Putin bad.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

I would be interested where ASF members get their information on the War in Ukraine from.

I generally use the BBC, Financial Times, WSJ, NYT, Times of London, Washington Post and the Guardian. I like to get as wide a view as possible.

I have watched RT but it was obvious propaganda so don't anymore. I don't even know if it is still transmitting.

Some amateur commentators have made a false equivalence between NATO and Russia, questioning the former's response and statements. The fog of war. Making a false equivalence is wrong though. NATO is composed of countries with elected governments, Russia is a totalitarian dictatorship.

Sometimes I fear amateurs more than Putin.

gg