US Election Thread

[Garpal Gumnut]

Fair comment from Elon here:



The moderators fact checked Trump on pets being eaten by illegals (which is actually, demonstrably true) among other things, yet gave Kamala a free hand to perpetuate several lies/hoaxes, inter alia:

*very fine people
*Jan 6
*Bloodbath
*Lawfare
*Agenda 2025

In fact Kamala was not fact checked a single time analysis shows that the dice were loaded.

Trump going into these debates with these left-wing MSM moderators is effectively going into a boxing ring with one hand tied behind his back.

That said Trump landed a few excellent zingers. My favourite - "I'm speaking Kamala"

It is certainly a difficult election to call. Harris has the usual suspects barracking for her.

I strongly believe, as a survival strategy, to always back the winner. I knew Clinton H. wouldn’t win in 2016 nor the Donald in 2020. Contrary to popular opinion I prefer to have idiots like KH or DJT as winners as it leads to volatility which is always better for active investors.

gg

 

[PZ99]

I don't believe that stuff from Trump about pets being eaten or babies being killed but I do think it cost Trump the debate.

 

[IFocus]

Stan Grant writes a brilliantly stunning anti Harris piece

Kamala Harris’s false promise further dooms America​

Trump is an American grotesque. He is such a théâtre de l’absurde that it is too easy to miss that Harris, too, lacks meaning or purpose. Like an absurdist play, her utterances end in baffled silence.


At best, this is light relief. Harris’s economic policy is a shell game. Laughably, Harris and her running mate, Tim Walz, are portrayed by critics as radical leftists and even socialists. Seriously?

Kamala Harris’s false promise further dooms America

In his novel East of Eden, John Steinbeck writes, “If the glory can be killed, we are lost.” America is lost. That’s what I felt after watching Kamala Harris give her first network television interview of the presidential campaign. What I saw and heard was a leader lacking a serious moral vision...

www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au

 

[IFocus]

This is brutal Vance has been a dead weight for Trump

 

[moXJO]

This is brutal Vance has been a dead weight for Trump

That chick sure does sing a lot about making bad choices....


I think it bumps Harris in swing states where it's really down to the wire. Trump needs to get the Christian votes if he wants to win in these states

It was a brilliantly timed announcement.

 

[mullokintyre]

Bill Bonners daily email had a neat summation of the elctors choices.

Mick

 

[Knobby22]

Bill Bonners daily email had a neat summation of the elctors choices.
View attachment 184112

Mick

With the debate, the Prosecutor put the felon away.
Trump will run away from any future debate. He got mauled.

That quote was the best they could do to attack her? pant suit? conniving?

 

[mullokintyre]

With the debate, the Prosecutor put the felon away.
Trump will run away from any future debate. He got mauled.

That quote was the best they could do to attack her, pant suit? conniving?

Not everyone is rusted on Trump supporters or have TDS.
Bonner is looking at the policies that both parties put out.
The watchers did not get much in the way of policy debate on the so called debate.
In the same article he said this of the latest policy, the idea of a sovereign wealth fund, which depending on your biases, was a trump idea stolen by Harris, or a Haris/Biden idea they have been working on for months that was stolen by Trump.
Who cares, its a crap idea says Bonner.

Faced with debt up the kazoo, and deficits from here to eternity, US policy makers only have two choices.

Tighten up — with spending cuts. Or loosen up — with interest rate cuts. The first pill is hard to swallow. It causes immediate discomfort. The second is a happy pill — at least, for a while. It makes the bubble economy even more bubblicious. Neither candidate has any intention of taking the hard pill.

Yesterday, we looked at Donald Trump’s proposal to stick foreigners with a big part of the losses from US inflation. America is the biggest single consumer market in the world. But if exporters want to access US customers, they’ll have to stick with the dollar... or face a 100% tariff.

The idea is simple: Force foreigners to keep using the dollar as it wastes away.

But wait... here comes another dumbass proposal... this one endorsed by both parties. The Wall Street Journal:

Republicans and Democrats seem to agree on very little these days. But officials from both parties are intrigued by the idea of the U.S. deploying a new economic tool: a sovereign-wealth fund.
White House officials say they have been working for several months on the design of such a fund. The fund would provide capital to advance strategic interests such as early-stage technology and energy security as competition with China heats up.
The disclosure comes after former President Donald Trump in an appearance last week called for a sovereign-wealth fund to “invest in great national endeavors for the benefit of all of the American people,” such as infrastructure and medical research.
We wish we had been in the room at the Economic Club of New York when Donald Trump suggested it. We would have liked to see the mouths water and the eyes bulge. Trump:

“We’ll be able to invest in state-of-the-art manufacturing hubs, advanced defense capabilities, cutting-edge medical research and help save billions of dollars in preventing disease in the first place. And it is many of the people in this room who will be helping to advise and recommend investments for this fund.”
Washington and Wall Street both live on OPM — other people’s money. Both have gotten rich thanks to post-1971 credit money and the Fed’s manipulation of interest rates. And now The Donald dangles billions — trillions! — more in fees, commissions, and inside deals before the Wall Street crowd.

But help us out here, dear reader. What was the last ‘great national endeavor’ that paid off?

AMTRAK? The war on poverty? The War on Drugs? The invasion of Iraq? The War on Terror? The F-35? The zero interest rate policy? $2 trillion budget deficits? If these ‘investments’ were so profitable, how come, now, we have a $35 trillion debt fund... and not a $35 trillion ‘wealth fund?’

Pity the TV interviewers don’t ask more questions. Who would run such a program? The same elites who run the rest of the government, of course. How could they invest the public’s money better than private investors with their own skin in the game? Why would they do a better job of this than they do of handling the border crisis, downtown San Francisco or the federal budget itself?

And, since so much wealth has already been squandered on previous ‘investments,’ where would the new wealth fund cash come from?

A modest prediction: If the feds keep ‘investing’ more and more of our money, pretty soon we’ll be eating our own pets.

Is that more to your liking?
Mick

 

[Knobby22]

We are talking the debate.

Trump couldn't even talk about policy. he wanted to talk about his crowd sizes and anything else she bated him with.
World leaders laugh at him - Putting up Viktor Orbán as a character reference isn't going to win you many votes in the crucial swing states.
The size of his inheritance -so Trump talks about how he much he is worth instead of what he would do to help others.

He couldn't talk much about the economy or immigration because he was so consumed with his own ego.

He allowed Harris to slide into prosecutor mode. She was on the attack and he was responding. If she's able to dictate the terms of this campaign, then he's in trouble.

Harris has her weaknesses but Trump couldn't control himself.
Yea, and she wore a pantsuit.

 

[wayneL]

I doubt anyone is surprised

 

[moXJO]

With the debate, the Prosecutor put the felon away.
Trump will run away from any future debate. He got mauled.

That quote was the best they could do to attack her? pant suit? conniving?

Data coming out seems to say it was more beneficial for Trump. Hillary made the mistake of thinking it was about winning. I've only seen a small number of datasets. But it seems the swing voters were tracking with the Republicans.

I think the Taylor swift move was more positive. Vote wise Harris seems to have gained little (waiting on more data). Trumps summary speech was 90m views to Harris 21m on one of the social media apps.

Harris possibly lost by trying to win the way she did.

 

[moXJO]

All aboard the Trump train.
I don't know if it's real.
One more twist in one of the weirder election cycles.

 

[moXJO]

If this is real it's a message how pi5sed he is at getting bumped.

 

[Knobby22]

Data coming out seems to say it was more beneficial for Trump. Hillary made the mistake of thinking it was about winning. I've only seen a small number of datasets. But it seems the swing voters were tracking with the Republicans.

I think the Taylor swift move was more positive. Vote wise Harris seems to have gained little (waiting on more data). Trumps summary speech was 90m views to Harris 21m on one of the social media apps.

Harris possibly lost by trying to win the way she did.

It was more hers to lose imo.
She had to show herself the be Presidential material and to best Trump to stay in the race. Going to be close. Only a small amount of undecided.

 

[moXJO]

It was more hers to lose imo.
She had to show herself the be Presidential material and to best Trump to stay in the race. Going to be close. Only a small amount of undecided.

I think it will come down to economy.
Harris and Trump are basically neck and neck.

But Harris has media, Justice Department, billionaires, activist groups, celebrities, all onside. That's hard to beat. Trump meanwhile is dodging bullets.

 

[moXJO]

Ok here's the front side. Probably the most human part of the whole campaign. He sure does look happy in that MAGA hat.

 

[IFocus]

Trump meanwhile is dodging bullets.

Trump has always made the bullets fired at him, TBH he looks old and angry next to Harris.

The eating pets bit should have ruled him out immediately, seriously WTF who thinks thats OK.

Harris just had to turn up and not get bullied, Trump still has time to win the election lots going on in the background to scam it for Trump.

 

[Knobby22]

I think it will come down to economy.
Harris and Trump are basically neck and neck.

But Harris has media, Justice Department, billionaires, activist groups, celebrities, all onside. That's hard to beat. Trump meanwhile is dodging bullets.

Trumps got way more billionaires onside from Musk down. The reason JD Vance was picked was because of his support from billionaires.

Trump has promised tax cuts at the top end and a reduction in pollution controls.

Harris has more a middle class focus. Tax cuts for ordinary people. Increasing the tax credit for having children.
Trumps says he will lower the corporate tax rate and retain the top tier tax cuts which expire in 2025.Harris says she will end them.

Can't see either of them not increasing the debt.

 

[moXJO]

Trumps got way more billionaires onside from Musk down. The reason JD Vance was picked was because of his support from billionaires.

Trump has promised tax cuts at the top end and a reduction in pollution controls.

Harris has more a middle class focus. Tax cuts for ordinary people. Increasing the tax credit for having children.
Trumps says he will lower the corporate tax rate and retain the top tier tax cuts which expire in 2025.Harris says she will end them.

Can't see either of them not increasing the debt.

He doesn't.

The military industry, Goldman Sachs and the rest of the investment firms are milking Ukraine, most of big pharma, big food, most of the tech -bar Elon, green industry. It's a pretty long list that are sitting with Harris.
They are the big hitters. There is a lot of activist billionaires that despise Trump.

Trumps got oil and mining onside, but they hedge bets.
Be nice to see more info on that assassination attempt. Wasn't there crypto payments?

 

[Knobby22]

He doesn't.

The military industry, Goldman Sachs and the rest of the investment firms are milking Ukraine, most of big pharma, big food, most of the tech -bar Elon, green industry. It's a pretty long list that are sitting with Harris.
They are the big hitters. There is a lot of activist billionaires that despise Trump.

Trumps got oil and mining onside, but they hedge bets.
Be nice to see more info on that assassination attempt. Wasn't there crypto payments?

Yea, maybe. Fair points. Some truth.

No need to finish with a conspiracy theory though its below you.