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Don't compare her to the almighty
As a candidate Harris has been underrated and underestimated. She has run a smooth and largely seamless campaign which is extraordinary given the time she had.Has the short time helped or hindered her? We will never know if a longer, more traditional run would have given her a chance to get her flying hours up and sharpen her message. But she has managed to begin a campaign with joy and positivity and end it with sharp warnings about what the alternative would be.
Every word she has uttered has been analysed while her opponent has been able to say literally anything and still, the polls barely shift.
"We expect her to be intelligent and articulate, to have a clear set of policies, to never show too much anger, to prove time and time again that she belongs," Michelle Obama said in Michigan this week.
"But for Trump, we expect nothing at all: no understanding of policy, no ability to put together a coherent argument, no honesty, no decency, no morals. Instead, too many people are willing to write off his childish, mean-spirited antics by saying, well, 'Trump's just being Trump.'"
Michelle Obama articulated the view of so many — particularly women — who have watched on as two candidates are held to vastly different standards. Harris must be the perfect candidate while Trump has broken so many taboos, his extremism has become normalised and joked away. Trump can be Trump; Harris doesn't get that same privilege.
In recent weeks the Harris campaign has been seeking to remind women that their vote is secret. The subtext is that women can vote for Harris without their Trump-loving husbands and boyfriends finding out.
If you don't believe this gender divide is a thing, Fox News personality Jesse Watters has said that if he found out his wife "was going into the voting booth and pulling the lever for Harris, that's the same thing as having an affair". Polarisation isn't just a phenomenon in the community, it is playing out in marriages and relationships.
Voting in secret, defying their husbands: Harris's campaign included a dystopian message for women
So potent is the backlash against identity politics, Kamala Harris has been largely and deliberately silent on the historic nature of her candidacy and potential victory.
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Another view of politics from Catherine the Great Historic Russia.
Perhaps on Nov 6th ?
Perhaps on Nov 6th ?
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For a more light hearted view of Catherine the Great give this a whirl.
(It is a Great series.)
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That article completely overlooks the fact that Donald Trump has been a known quantity for at least 40 years in the United states and earned the privilege of being held to a different standard by working the media for as long as anyone can remember. People know his business, they know he has always been aggressive and rude and direct and confrontational with the media and other elites. The trump policy is vote for me, and trust I can sort things out because I am a businessman who (despite what people think) has built a successful empire around the world with his daddies money rather than blow it up his nose like so many other rich kids.Don't compare her to the almighty
As a candidate Harris has been underrated and underestimated. She has run a smooth and largely seamless campaign which is extraordinary given the time she had.
Has the short time helped or hindered her? We will never know if a longer, more traditional run would have given her a chance to get her flying hours up and sharpen her message. But she has managed to begin a campaign with joy and positivity and end it with sharp warnings about what the alternative would be.
Every word she has uttered has been analysed while her opponent has been able to say literally anything and still, the polls barely shift.
"We expect her to be intelligent and articulate, to have a clear set of policies, to never show too much anger, to prove time and time again that she belongs," Michelle Obama said in Michigan this week.
"But for Trump, we expect nothing at all: no understanding of policy, no ability to put together a coherent argument, no honesty, no decency, no morals. Instead, too many people are willing to write off his childish, mean-spirited antics by saying, well, 'Trump's just being Trump.'"
Michelle Obama articulated the view of so many — particularly women — who have watched on as two candidates are held to vastly different standards. Harris must be the perfect candidate while Trump has broken so many taboos, his extremism has become normalised and joked away. Trump can be Trump; Harris doesn't get that same privilege.
In recent weeks the Harris campaign has been seeking to remind women that their vote is secret. The subtext is that women can vote for Harris without their Trump-loving husbands and boyfriends finding out.
If you don't believe this gender divide is a thing, Fox News personality Jesse Watters has said that if he found out his wife "was going into the voting booth and pulling the lever for Harris, that's the same thing as having an affair". Polarisation isn't just a phenomenon in the community, it is playing out in marriages and relationships.
Voting in secret, defying their husbands: Harris's campaign included a dystopian message for women
So potent is the backlash against identity politics, Kamala Harris has been largely and deliberately silent on the historic nature of her candidacy and potential victory.
Kamala popped out of the woodwork a couple of years ago and no one really knows who she is outside of urban California. Her policies? Who knows. The status quo? Is she a continuation of Biden? Who knows.
We think Trump is going to try and increase tariffs, reduce environmental objections to oil, gas, mining, manufacturing, attempt to shut the border, likely give Israel whatever they want, likely give Ukraine to Putin, and go after DEI in federal institutions. What is Kamala going to do? Probably continue giving support to Israel financially and with weapons but talk about them badly in the press, probably continue to give weapons to Ukraine, she's flipped flopped on the border, she'll probably tighten regulation for environmental things, she'll forgive student loans, likely expand DEI as much as she can. Most of the other things shes said she will do involve congress and the senate - which has right now about a 15% chance of going all democrat. Assault rifles, abortion, tax - she can't do those things. That's not her job. Thats congress. That's their job. They sort out those laws.
I'm nearly 100% certain I read that exact same article the last 5 elections. Where candidate a is not held to the same standard as candidate b. Last one they would have just said people didn't respect the experience of Biden voting for Trump and he's held to a different standard than Biden. The election before that they would have claimed sexism. The two elections before that one they would have claimed racism. The two before that with bush they would have claimed nepotism. I don't really remember this level of partisanship with Clinton. It seemed to really skyrocket with bush which also coincides with high speed internet being provided to most people...
I bet there are far more black men in America voting in secret for Trump terrified of their mothers and wives than there are white women voting for Trump who are terrified of their husbands and fathers.
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That is an interesting summary of Donal Trump Triangle. Actually almost unrecognisable.
Is this the same Donald J Trump who has been found guilty of 34 counts of business fraud in which the judge found he had systematically created wildly creative property valuations to stooge insurance companies and banks ?
Is it the same person who is on the hook for $70plus million in defamation damages for lying about a sexual assault he did on a woman in the 90's ? And is he possibly related to the Donald J Trump who has 27 other public complaints from women who claimed he abused/assaulted him ?
On his policies ? Was the Donald Trump Did who said they were going to round up and deport 18 million people quick smart. Which people ? Where to ? How legal ? Who cares ....
Is it the same guy who promises that when he gets back into he will use the Justice Department and every shred of political power to destroy anyone and everyone who has crossed him ? And of course he can do that so much more easily now becasue the Supreme Court he constructed has given the president immunity for any official acts - no matter how egregious .
And of interest is the Donald D Trump who will turn the entire civil apparatus of Government around and appoint people whose most important attribute is loyalty to his wishes ? Not to the country. Not to the position they hold. Not to citizens they will be making decision around. Just Donald J Trump.
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Remember, Remember the Fifth of November.
V for Vendetta, will its prophesies come true tomorrow(USA time)?
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V for Vendetta, will its prophesies come true tomorrow(USA time)?
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Yep same one and the public knows him. That's why they're not surprised or bothered. Ben Cousins is worshipped by Western Australians. No one cares about his past deeds.
Government appointments and employment in general is based largely on loyalty. Why would you hire disloyal people? It's well known people "work for" and "quit" for management not the company. Every politician makes appointments based on loyalty.
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Really ? You may not be surprised or bothered. Lots of people thought Hitler was great and Stalin and Putin and Mao. The Strongman ideal has always been there. Its called Authoritarianism, or Nazism, or Fascism or Dictatorship. Perhaps a Military Juanta ? None of those models appeal to me. Perhaps you just don't have a problem with that sort of government.
Equating Ben Cousins with trump ? Give us a break. Cousins isn't running for the most powerful position in the world. People can end up "forgiving" someone for past misdeeds. Particularly if they acknowledge them.
Positions in government administration. These are not Cabinet positions we are talking about. These are the thousands of people who make things happen on the ground. They have to be appointed on capacity to do he job - not simply being prepared to follow the leader.
The most fearsome situation is having a Justice Department or FBI or CIA which is just the tool of a vengeful sociopath who wants to use them to destroy anyone who stands up to him.
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My prediction:-
Trump 57%
Harris 43%
Harris wins
Trump 57%
Harris 43%
Harris wins
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Yawn Hitler
Yawn Stalin
Yawn Mao
Trump was already in power. He's already had a chance to be a "fascist dictator" all these things 4 years ago and 8 years ago were being said...None of it came true.
All the things he tried to do that were illegal got shot down by the courts. The system works.
I agree. But then Trump will invoke the memory of Peanut to seize power using the military and national guard and Russia.
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The whole problem with the pearl clutching left is that they don't actually really understand what fascism is or how far away from fascism Trump is.
Does who really do understand fascism will understand that it is the democratic party which more accurately resembles fascism.
Those with TDS should actually look up what it means.
A very good point which I heard earlier is that, Trump is a businessman, a negotiator and as such would tend to make a ambit claims never actually intending to carry out those claims. We saw this with Trump's first presidency.
Where is, the left make claims fully intending into carry them out in full. For example stacking the supreme court and diminishing both the first and second amendments.
As we have seen with Trump's presidency he is actually a moderate and probably even more so now.
Evidence of that is the enlisting of people like Tulsi Gabbard, rfk junior, Elon, and even now in the final hours of the election former Bernie bro Joe Rogan. Even on the subject of abortion, contrary to the democrats rhetoric, Trump has categorically stated that there will be no Nationwide abortion ban.
In fact every single one of the democrats claims about trump have proven to be categorically false. Every single one, including every single one of those parroted by our local communists here on ASF.
Classic of this is the off quoted and completely debunked "fine people on both sides" libel.
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Given the rising tempo here Harris wins I take it.
Its extortionary that Trump is even in the race let's face it there has to be better and of course it's extortionary that a black woman is in the race and yes there would be better.
But to quote Churchill
"Americans will always do the right thing, only after they have tried everything else."
I guess we find out Tuesday US time.
Its extortionary that Trump is even in the race let's face it there has to be better and of course it's extortionary that a black woman is in the race and yes there would be better.
But to quote Churchill
"Americans will always do the right thing, only after they have tried everything else."
I guess we find out Tuesday US time.
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What do you mean by "extortionary"?
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Odds from Ladbrokes
Trump 8/13 on
Harris 11/8 against
Trump 8/13 on
Harris 11/8 against
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I would put a bet on not knowing the election outcome tomorrow. Are those odds that are available in the market?
I'm pretty sure Trump will not concede under any circumstances within the first two three days. Even if he gets zero electoral college votes. If it's remotely close both parties will be in the courts very quickly looking for recounts.
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Trump odds on Betfair blew out from about $1.54 to $1.80 something, now shortening back in, $1.67 last time I looked.
That said, this is no sure thing for either side if the polls are to be believed.
I keep thinking I should cash out for a certain profit (4.20 -$1.67), but **** it, in for a penny, in for a pound.
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I wouldn't call it extortion but I do see it as a shocking reflection on the overall state of politics, both sides, and society itself that Trump is a serious contender.
Compare the situation in recent times to previous presidents, of either political persuasion, from last century and the decline is truly shocking.
I'm seeing that change as symbolic of the decline of the US itself which seems to be in a huge mess in all sorts of ways.
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That is however a point well recognised by conservatives.
Those you mention and many more like them all started out the same way, promising the wonders of socialism, and ended up bringing untold misery to millions.
Unrestrained capitalism produces bad outcomes but so does unrestrained socialism. Trouble is, most tend to acknowledge only one of those as problematic despite the overwhelming evidence that both are evil.
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