The Australian Greens party

[explod]

And from our active younger members:-

"
Australian Green Memes for Actually Progressive Teensshared a post.
Yesterday at 12:14 PM ·
former politicians earning $500 a day to do absolutely nothing while those without a job have to live below the poverty line



Australian Young Greens
Yesterday at 11:14 AM ·
This is a disgrace."

And most on ASF would agree

 

[explod]

Of course the Greens want Churches closed down and no mention of God.

Just ask Julian Porteous.

The Greens are communists, imv.

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Jordan Peterson

I will never use words I hate, like the trendy and artificially constructed words "zhe" and "zher." These words are at the vanguard of a post-modern, radical leftist ideology that I detest, and which is, in my professional opinion, frighteningly similar to the Marxist doctrines that killed at least 100 million people in the 20th century.

I have been studying authoritarianism on the right and the left for 35 years. I wrote a book, Maps of Meaning: The Architecture of Belief, on the topic, which explores how ideologies hijack language and belief. As a result of my studies, I have come to believe that Marxism is a murderous ideology. I believe its practitioners in modern universities should be ashamed of themselves for continuing to promote such vicious, untenable and anti-human ideas, and for indoctrinating their students with these beliefs. I am therefore not going to mouth Marxist words. That would make me a puppet of the radical left, and that is not going to happen. Period

That is absolutely incorrect. You need to check or policies on that.

"
Principles
The Australian Greens believe that:

1. Australia's cultural plurality is a part of the nation's identity and should be recognised as such.
2. People have the right to celebrate and express their cultural heritage within universally accepted human rights.
3. All people — regardless of culture, ethnicity, religion, language, place of birth or citizenship status — should have equal rights and the right to participate equally in social, economic and cultural life.
4. Australia is a culturally diverse society and this should be fully reflected in Australia's social, business and political institutions.
5. The Australian Greens should represent the cultural diversity of Australian society in its own organisation, and in all of its policies, processes and activities, in Parliament and in the community.
6. Racism in all forms is unacceptable and the Australian government should combat racial and religious prejudice in all its forms.
7. There is diversity within each of Australia's multicultural communities."

 

[cynic]

That is absolutely incorrect. You need to check or policies on that.

"
Principles
The Australian Greens believe that:

1. Australia's cultural plurality is a part of the nation's identity and should be recognised as such.
2. People have the right to celebrate and express their cultural heritage within universally accepted human rights.
3. All people — regardless of culture, ethnicity, religion, language, place of birth or citizenship status — should have equal rights and the right to participate equally in social, economic and cultural life.
4. Australia is a culturally diverse society and this should be fully reflected in Australia's social, business and political institutions.
5. The Australian Greens should represent the cultural diversity of Australian society in its own organisation, and in all of its policies, processes and activities, in Parliament and in the community.
6. Racism in all forms is unacceptable and the Australian government should combat racial and religious prejudice in all its forms.
7. There is diversity within each of Australia's multicultural communities."

A number of those principles seem highly subjective, and potentially contradictory, particularly 2,3 and 6.

Depending upon interpretation, actions pursuant to these principles could easily infringe upon the religious freedoms of others.

 

[SirRumpole]

and the Australian government should combat racial and religious prejudice in all its forms.

What is religious prejudice ?

Prejudice against religions, or prejudice by religions ?

 

[explod]

What is religious prejudice ?

Prejudice against religions, or prejudice by religions ?

Prejudice against religions, freedom to choose your own pathway in life. If you want to follow a God or be an atheist then so be it. However I am personally against the indoctrination of children, however the parents will dictate this so that's a hard one. But religion taught at schools, no way in my view. However Greens policy would not interfere with the Catholic school system as one example.

 

[qldfrog]

1. All people — regardless of culture, ethnicity, religion, language, place of birth or citizenship status — should have equal rights and the right to participate equally in social, economic and cultural life.

• So clearly every of the 8 billions on earth are able/allowed to come here, and demand access to centerlink services, voting rights, pensions,benefit or the right to work..
• Considering billions are on 1 or 2 usd a day, even youth allowance looks like millionaire life.
• All that on the name of our planet.

And this is the official platform, when brain and commonsense leaves the room
And the worse is, Explod, you will think i am the idiot to put a mild word

 

[explod]

Support from honest, thinking and concerned people grows:-

"

Julian Burnside - Public
1 hr ·
In the past, I've said I wasn’t interested in running for parliament. But it’s clear to me that things need to change, and that has motivated me to run for The Australian Greens in my home seat of Kooyong, where I've lived my entire life.

The Greens’ policies are centred around people: caring about how people are treated, about the opportunities we have throughout our lives, the world we live in and the world we hand on to those who come after us.

Climate change is the biggest single issue we all face, and it too is about people, about humanity.

The current member for Kooyong, Josh Frydenberg, has consistently been in a position to deliver action on climate change - but he has consistently disappointed us.

Of course, advocacy for refugees is another issue of great importance to me. To their great shame, the Liberals and Labor have spent decades using people seeking safety as a political tool.

In my career, the cases I am proudest of are those where I have worked to protect people or remedy the injustice they’ve faced by attacks from big corporate interests or from cruel and craven government actions.

That’s the challenge we are all facing right now: big corporate donors dictate terms to politicians who care more about their own jobs, and about looking after their mates, than they do about the people they’re elected to represent.

This is the challenge the Greens are facing up to, a challenge the Greens are ready for. And that’s why I’m running.

Learn more about our campaign at https://burnside.greens.org.au"

1. All people — regardless of culture, ethnicity, religion, language, place of birth or citizenship status — should have equal rights and the right to participate equally in social, economic and cultural life.

• So clearly every of the 8 billions on earth are able/allowed to come here, and demand access to centerlink services, voting rights, pensions,benefit or the right to work..
• Considering billions are on 1 or 2 usd a day, even youth allowance looks like millionaire life.
• All that on the name of our planet.

And this is the official platform, when brain and commonsense leaves the room
And the worse is, Explod, you will think i am the idiot to put a mild word

 

[explod]

1. All people — regardless of culture, ethnicity, religion, language, place of birth or citizenship status — should have equal rights and the right to participate equally in social, economic and cultural life.

• So clearly every of the 8 billions on earth are able/allowed to come here, and demand access to centerlink services, voting rights, pensions,benefit or the right to work..
• Considering billions are on 1 or 2 usd a day, even youth allowance looks like millionaire life.
• All that on the name of our planet.

And this is the official platform, when brain and commonsense leaves the room
And the worse is, Explod, you will think i am the idiot to put a mild word

Not at all, you are an intelligent contributor here on ASF.

However most people are selfish because they did not experience a life that taught them to appreciate and seek the best out of all people. I am grateful now to my early hard road and traumatic later life experience as it's motivated my actions for the downtrodden and particularly our ill treated unemployed unemployed.

 

[qldfrog]

Not at all, you are an intelligent contributor here on ASF.

However most people are selfish because they did not experience a life that taught them to appreciate and seek the best out of all people. I am grateful now to my early hard road and traumatic later life experience as it's motivated my actions for the downtrodden and particularly our ill treated unemployed unemployed.

Do not take me wrong, i have a leftist in the true sense background as you know by now i have travelled the world and lived/worked in many places. I spent months living in housing estates, now no law zones, met a lot of working poors, some of my near family can be classed so ,while others are upper upper middle class
I brushed with billionaires too
So i would help the genuinely downtrodden but i hate welfare as such, the kind where people on minimum wages are worse off than the rorting cheats, where human will is annihilated by a system
Welfare like this is keeping people in a zoo, on a feed of **** food and cheap movies now social media

I also believe in nations with strict boundaries as i saw the effects of the type of generous discourses of the Greens on people.
whatever crap you are told, the pie is finite and human growth a plague.
you can take on half of Africa tomorrow and you will face the same problem there in 20y
In the meantime, your own citizens who you have a duty of care in my opinion are facing unemployment, tribal war, crime and sexual assault , a society change and probably a radical islamism future.
Great for feminists or LGBT i can tell you
No mardi gras in european suburbs /ghetto
Not based on news ltd, based on experience.
Redoing the same mistake twice is stupidity, not altruism
And while most people can be good, some are rotten to the core and evil..not in the religious sense, I am Atheist
Worse, once in group or tribe or following ideology, be it nazi, fascism or nowaday anti trump or even vegan, humans can display the worst.
Keep your own independent thinking,
Make your own decision.
If the greens are the most matching to your conviction, be it but when i see "Sarah whatever," i know hate is not a right wing privileged.
Remember Stalin, Pol pot, or even Mao.for the best of the people
Do not be one of their foot soldier

 

[SirRumpole]

Welfare like this is keeping people in a zoo, on a feed of **** food and cheap movies now social media

Interesting table here. Australia ranks 22 in social welfare spending per GDP, even lower than the US, that paragon of free enterprise and everyone for themselves.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_social_welfare_spending

I wonder if this includes generous tax deductions like Family Tax Benefits.

 

[explod]

And on housing we should get in step, remember Maslow's Laws we learnt at Business school. Good one Janet:-

"
Senator Janet Rice
February 26 at 4:29 PM ·

Here’s the proof a 'Housing First' approach works.

The Greens' commitment of $500 million each year to crisis services and transitional housing will work to end homelessness just like it has in Finland.

Every person should have a roof over their heads.

About this website

BBC.COM

The city with no homeless on its streets
What can UK cities learn from Finland, where the number of rough sleepers has fallen dramatically?"

 

[bellenuit]

Interesting table here. Australia ranks 22 in social welfare spending per GDP, even lower than the US, that paragon of free enterprise and everyone for themselves.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_social_welfare_spending

I can't see how the figure on its own is that meaningful. The US, for instance, is (from what I have read) more inequitable than Australia, so one would expect more of its people to be in need of assistance.

If there were no inequity of any sort, one should technically have no social welfare need.

 

[wayneL]

If there were no inequity of any sort, one should technically have no social welfare need.

Just an army and a secret police to enforce this "equity", like all other precious attempts (and failures).

 

[bellenuit]

1. All people — regardless of culture, ethnicity, religion, language, place of birth or citizenship status — should have equal rights and the right to participate equally in social, economic and cultural life.

• So clearly every of the 8 billions on earth are able/allowed to come here, and demand access to centerlink services, voting rights, pensions,benefit or the right to work..
• Considering billions are on 1 or 2 usd a day, even youth allowance looks like millionaire life.
• All that on the name of our planet.

And this is the official platform, when brain and commonsense leaves the room
And the worse is, Explod, you will think i am the idiot to put a mild word

That is pretty damning. A no borders free for all. I notice there seems to be nothing about responsibilities to contribute to Australian society.

 

[SirRumpole]

If there were no inequity of any sort, one should technically have no social welfare need.

In a closed society that may be true but what about inequity brought about by transferring of jobs offshore, tax avoidance by companies etc ?

Maybe societies that pay more welfare are just covering those needs, if so we are still a lucky country if we don't have a big welfare bill in the face of globalisation. It's pretty obvious to me that our mining and agricultural exports are propping us up. If those decline then we might start rising up the welfare scale.

 

[ghotib]

1. All people — regardless of culture, ethnicity, religion, language, place of birth or citizenship status — should have equal rights and the right to participate equally in social, economic and cultural life.

• So clearly every of the 8 billions on earth are able/allowed to come here, and demand access to centerlink services, voting rights, pensions,benefit or the right to work..
• Considering billions are on 1 or 2 usd a day, even youth allowance looks like millionaire life.
• All that on the name of our planet.

And this is the official platform, when brain and commonsense leaves the room
And the worse is, Explod, you will think i am the idiot to put a mild word

Where does it say that all people are able/allowed to come here in order to have equal rights? Seems to me the interpretation is either all people in all places should have equal rights, or all people who are living here should have equal rights. That doesn't mean open borders. It does mean equal criteria for entry.

Plod?

 

[moXJO]

Plod, do you lean to the "tree tories" or the "communists"?

 

[bellenuit]

In a closed society that may be true but what about inequity brought about by transferring of jobs offshore, tax avoidance by companies etc ?

Maybe societies that pay more welfare are just covering those needs, if so we are still a lucky country if we don't have a big welfare bill in the face of globalisation. It's pretty obvious to me that our mining and agricultural exports are propping us up. If those decline then we might start rising up the welfare scale.

But that is exactly my point. If we are relatively well off due to the exploitation of our natural resources and don't need to spend as much on welfare as otherwise, then the % of GDP spent on welfare compared to other countries is not a very meaningful figure. It cannot be looked at in isolation, but needs one or more other metrics to give it meaning.

If those decline then we might start rising up the welfare scale.

But would us rising up on the welfare scale for that very reason be viewed as good, when in fact it is bad, as it means more welfare is required than before. This is why I don't think that table means anything and why being less than an other country means we are not as good as them in taking care of our citizens.

 

[SirRumpole]

But that is exactly my point. If we are relatively well off due to the exploitation of our natural resources and don't need to spend as much on welfare as otherwise, then the % of GDP spent on welfare compared to other countries is not a very meaningful figure. It cannot be looked at in isolation, but needs one or more other metrics to give it meaning.



But would us rising up on the welfare scale for that very reason be viewed as good, when in fact it is bad, as it means more welfare is required than before. This is why I don't think that table means anything and why being less than an other country means we are not as good as them in taking care of our citizens.

Others mentioned that they thought we were a "welfare society", but the facts prove otherwise.

That's all I was trying to show, the why's and wherefore's are a different matter.

Certainly one bit of data is not conclusive of anything but it's relevant to the discussion imo.

 

[explod]

Where does it say that all people are able/allowed to come here in order to have equal rights? Seems to me the interpretation is either all people in all places should have equal rights, or all people who are living here should have equal rights. That doesn't mean open borders. It does mean equal criteria for entry.

Plod?

Our Party is called, The Australian Greens.