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qldfrog said:
Who will pay your ipad or power it, who will give you houses for the 4billions who would move here if they could..as per your program would allow them
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State run power companies kept the lights on and prices low for decades.

Sometimes we just have to recognise that there are situations where capitalism is worse than the alternative.
 
SirRumpole said:
State run power companies kept the lights on and prices low for decades.

Sometimes we just have to recognise that there are situations where capitalism is worse than the alternative.
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How many wind farms in Australia are public?
You will find that as the socialism increases and the money get wasted, there is nothing left to build any infrastructure so in europe, even socialist governments sell assets :power telco, roads because they end up broke and the state bureaucracy becomes so heavy
For me socialism is not only labour: as explained before, when competition is for the lower denominator, most center right government turns socialist to have a chance of winning.
"I give you if i win....."

Obvious consequence:budget deficit for decades, welfare mentality, real business can only survive with their own welfare: monopoly, regulation, hand out, the down spiral
Welcome Argentina down under...
But it is ok we are different....
 
Yes of course, in my opinion power and utilities, roads should be public
This is what we are supposed to pay taxes for, not ndis or 50 billions of rusting sea watercans
 
SirRumpole said:
State run power companies kept the lights on and prices low for decades.

Sometimes we just have to recognise that there are situations where capitalism is worse than the alternative.
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I like the idea of government run utilities. But then they are held victim to unions. 80s were a nightmare for that kind of thing. Privatization of power seems to be gouging at the other end.
But I often wonder if there is any going back to cheap power, or high prices the new reality?
 
But we are already too far down the drain and no, electricity companies are not evil, they run a business where our politicians have been unable to give proper direction (their job)
We should all remember that the greens are the ones who prevented a carbon tax in their time
Was not enough for them.look at the results
Green and responsability?
Does not match, only feel good and #trend does
 
Nsw- the tree tories and the commies are battling it out. I dare say the latte sippers and rank and file are also clashing heads. My observation, if you were not uni educated you were in the pleb file. They are just as cut throat and aggressive as other parties.

There was talk of a split.
 
I have a current hate against the green .as i believe they are a fake party hijacking the environment and good nature of people to promote a far left agenda.i am sure there are environment caring people among them but they have no angst putting a radical left political agenda in front of the environment, often against it and with no respect whatever for realism, or measured decisions
I once voted green, and feel cheated.
I am living like a perfect tree hugger, got my cob oven, own food water electricity , created a 400acres Nature refuge, live in a land for wildlife property
but as a 50y old male hetero,not living on welfare and paying taxes i am a relentless target by the same dimwits who will petition to save a tree yet, will add 500000 people a year in a blink of an eye and blame developers for expensive housing
Here in SEQld, how many new migrants do we trade for each koala diseappearing..cause it is as simple as that.
They will have my unreserved vote the day they will really fight for the environment, but while far left radicals, i will fight them as much as i can
Democracy is not a given, and we should fight for it
 
qldfrog said:
But we are already too far down the drain and no, electricity companies are not evil, they run a business where our politicians have been unable to give proper direction (their job)
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They are primarily ASX-listed companies, so unfortunately, like the banks, they have held shareholders as their top priority.....which means finding ways within the confines of regulation to extract as much profit as possible from their customers. More Government intervention is required.
 
qldfrog said:
I have a current hate against the green .as i believe they are a fake party hijacking the environment and good nature of people to promote a far left agenda.i am sure there are environment caring people among them but they have no angst putting a radical left political agenda in front of the environment, often against it and with no respect whatever for realism, or measured decisions
I once voted green, and feel cheated.
I am living like a perfect tree hugger, got my cob oven, own food water electricity , created a 400acres Nature refuge, live in a land for wildlife property
but as a 50y old male hetero,not living on welfare and paying taxes i am a relentless target by the same dimwits who will petition to save a tree yet, will add 500000 people a year in a blink of an eye and blame developers for expensive housing
Here in SEQld, how many new migrants do we trade for each koala diseappearing..cause it is as simple as that.
They will have my unreserved vote the day they will really fight for the environment, but while far left radicals, i will fight them as much as i can
Democracy is not a given, and we should fight for it
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I agree to a fair extent.

If the Greens were pro environment they would have a stronger anti immigration agenda; more people always means less nature , it's a simple binary.

The extent of land clearing in this country is outrageous and yet the Greens seem more concerned with refugees or legalising pot. They are not focussed on the big issues in my view.

At least Lee Rhiannon is gone, she was a toxic Marxist influence in the Greens, I hope they can recover in her absence.
 
SirRumpole said:
I agree to a fair extent.

If the Greens were pro environment they would have a stronger anti immigration agenda; more people always means less nature , it's a simple binary.

The extent of land clearing in this country is outrageous and yet the Greens seem more concerned with refugees or legalising pot. They are not focussed on the big issues in my view.

At least Lee Rhiannon is gone, she was a toxic Marxist influence in the Greens, I hope they can recover in her absence.
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We are onto this every day all over the country but the right wing press just stay away:-
Samantha Dunn
2 hrs ·
Way back in 2007, the then DSE ran the Wood and Water project as part of the Our Water Our Future statement. Part of that assessment work included a forest management regime that included "ceasing timber harvesting in Melbourne's catchments in 2009/10". What was extraordinary about this was that it disappeared as an option. At the start of 2007 ceasing timber harvesting was an option, by the end of 2007 there was no reference at all.

As a way to divert attention the excuse cited in 2008 "the option of immediate cessation of harvesting is not available to government as it can not be done without affecting existing timber supply commitments" even though there was also acknowledgement that the ceasing logging option would "mean a gradual increase up to 5% per annum additional water supply...".

It's been a long time that government's have known of the impact of logging on water supply in our catchments but sadly the odds have always been stacked against our forests and their important role in securing Melbourne's water.

If you're not happy about this, let your local member know. Squandering our forests, risking water supply, accelerating climate change, trashing biodiversity are the best of many reasons to stop logging in our water catchments.
 
yes and no, this is typical green, you can harvest decently, limit erosion, have a living forest growing, capturing c02 and providing wood as a return to earn its economic worth, but by being radical, you end up with a black and white view and stupid policies.
I can not legally cut a tree on my 40+ acre block, even the ones I planted!!!!! unless immediate danger to property, so do I go and buy my logs at bunnings to do fencing, with the extra carbon cost, extra chemicals and $ cost, these coming from a pine plantation with clear cutting to harvest, and probably plantation closed as soon as green are in power and replaced by canadian or us imports..
yet the same block next door is subdivided, and once done, the buldozers came and on some 5 acres block not a single tree is left,
In the process, the creek is now dead water..but all legal whereas each post I harvest on my block for own local use is illegal.

This is great , all the koalas are at home now..because they have nowhere left to go to, then the houses are completed and the vegan anti vaccs nature lovers come, each with 2 dogs wiping out the remaining wallabies and koalas within 3 to 5 years.and I do not say anything about the snakes or goannas who could hurt their "would hurt no one barking machines
What would you do in my shoes...

How many places around the country where this happens, how many stupid legislation like that?

There are excesses sure but the offer of the greens is more green tape and no real actions where it counts
Last example
Plastic bag bans in supermarkets whereas it is a given proven fact that it will results in more plastic used overall, and extra profit for the retailers...
And everyone knows that the plastic in the oceans do not come from inland Australian but it is not PC to advertise the origin of the crap clogging the whales stomachs

Stop the dump actions, fight for the real causes, not instagrams
Stop pretending
Rant over
 
The Greens have been working and pushing against this AGL development for 12 months, again no one sees the many demonstrations on mainstream news.


Save Westernport No AGL gas
February 26 at 3:53 PM
Come and ask AGL about their proposal to import gas at Crib Point and find out about their new research at their meetings this week.
Save Westernport will be there with suggestions for questions to ask. or just come say hello, sign our petition to Parliament to STOP the proposal, or just pick up some Save Westernport and No AGL Stickers, signs and postcards.

Cowes and Crib Point were held earlier in the week. Here are the remaining AGL sessions this week.
Saturday will be a hot day, but we’re hoping for an especially BIG turn-out at Hastings, to really demonstrate how strong the local opposition to this plan.

Wednesday 27 February, 7pm – 9pm
Officer Public Hall 16-18 Tivendale Road, Officer 3809

Thursday 28 February, 7pm – 9pm
Pearcedale Community Centre 710 Baxter-Tooradin Rd, Pearcedale 3912

Saturday 2 March, 12pm – 2pm
Hastings Community Hub 1973 Frankston - Flinders Road, Hastings 3915

And here's the link to the Environment Effects Statement process AGL are required to undertake:

https://www.planning.vic.gov.au/…/brow…/projects/crib-point…
 
qldfrog said:
yes and no, this is typical green, you can harvest decently, limit erosion, have a living forest growing, capturing c02 and providing wood as a return to earn its economic worth, but by being radical, you end up with a black and white view and stupid policies.
I can not legally cut a tree on my 40+ acre block, even the ones I planted!!!!! unless immediate danger to property, so do I go and buy my logs at bunnings to do fencing, with the extra carbon cost, extra chemicals and $ cost, these coming from a pine plantation with clear cutting to harvest, and probably plantation closed as soon as green are in power and replaced by canadian or us imports..
yet the same block next door is subdivided, and once done, the buldozers came and on some 5 acres block not a single tree is left,
In the process, the creek is now dead water..but all legal whereas each post I harvest on my block for own local use is illegal.

This is great , all the koalas are at home now..because they have nowhere left to go to, then the houses are completed and the vegan anti vaccs nature lovers come, each with 2 dogs wiping out the remaining wallabies and koalas within 3 to 5 years.and I do not say anything about the snakes or goannas who could hurt their "would hurt no one barking machines
What would you do in my shoes...

How many places around the country where this happens, how many stupid legislation like that?

There are excesses sure but the offer of the greens is more green tape and no real actions where it counts
Last example
Plastic bag bans in supermarkets whereas it is a given proven fact that it will results in more plastic used overall, and extra profit for the retailers...
And everyone knows that the plastic in the oceans do not come from inland Australian but it is not PC to advertise the origin of the crap clogging the whales stomachs

Stop the dump actions, fight for the real causes, not instagrams
Stop pretending
Rant over
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Plastic bag use by customers at supermarkets has dropped 80% in the last 12 months.
 
explod said:
Plastic bag use by customers at supermarkets has dropped 80% in the last 12 months.
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Unfortunately this is a misleading statistic. I used those very thin Woolworths single use bags as garbage bags. Now I am forced to buy much larger, thicker garbage bags to dispose of my household waste. I am pretty sure that I'm not the only person who did used supermarket plastic bags in this way. My use of plastic bags has actually increased since the ban.

I doubt that the use of plastic bags has decreased much, if at all, as a result of the supermarket ban.
 
greggles said:
Unfortunately this is a misleading statistic. I used those very thin Woolworths single use bags as garbage bags. Now I am forced to buy much larger, thicker garbage bags to dispose of my household waste. I am pretty sure that I'm not the only person who did used supermarket plastic bags in this way. My use of plastic bags has actually increased since the ban.

I doubt that the use of plastic bags has decreased much, if at all, as a result of the supermarket ban.
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I do not use a bag for my rubbish at all. My inside bin I lightly rinse after each empty and put all my rubbish loose in the collection bin. My rubbish has reduced enormously since I now tear paper and cardboard into strips, soak with my vegetable scraps and feed it into worm farms I have developed and my veggies now grow like rockets. As a vegetarian no meat to worry about. I'll try to find the source of that 80% as it is a fact.
 

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