The Australian Greens party

[Tisme]

Yes weed does have many issues, but it is possible the people who ended up with an addiction always had an underlying issue. If weed did not exist they would medicate with something else..

What proof do you have that predisposition and availability of self medicating alternatives? You are parroting unsubstantiated myths, trying to leave wiggle room by using "possible" as an get of jail free card.

You've been back peddling ever since you realised your early posts in this thread, trying to use e.g. me as a stooge, were tantamount to promotion of drug dependency and narcobots.

I have been around many heavy drug users of hard drugs and through FB have some idea how most of end up years later. Only in my 30s but I have not seen a single one commit suicide. Not saying drugs are good, I am saying that I think your experience of cutting so many mates is extreme.

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Not many people would get to "see" suicide. But I can tell you two of my son's friends did just that while high on pot..... jumping off buildings seems to be choice. Then there's the some kids who ended up on Bali death row by betting their lives on trafficking weed.

And yes by implication of promoting even a lesser evil you are saying "drugs are good".

How much will it take for you to stop thinking you are the voice of reason and actually imbed yourself into the groups who have to handle the **** of society ... get your hands dirty in weed compost as it were. That would be a far better use of your advocacy energy, instead of trying to find narcotically modified internet friends.

 

[moXJO]

Yes weed does have many issues, but it is possible the people who ended up with an addiction always had an underlying issue. If weed did not exist they would medicate with something else.

I have been around many heavy drug users of hard drugs and through FB have some idea how most of end up years later. Only in my 30s but I have not seen a single one commit suicide. Not saying drugs are good, I am saying that I think your experience of cutting so many mates is extreme.

My point is much like others, yes drugs are bad. They do have devastating impacts on society. But the war drugs has been an abject failure so lets try a new approach. If that does not work lets try something else? I think we will up end finding it is case of, what is the least worst approach? as it is the human condition that drugs will always ruin a portion of the population.

Right now weed is in the hands of the people. Those that want it can get it. Its not available to a lot of the weak minded.
Once the govt and corporations get a hold of it, then it all changes.

Think of the early days of alcohol and cigarettes. We already have the propaganda of weed being a miracle cure all. Its big business, and a rush for stronger strains that are always available.

And yes, some people have addictive tendencies. Thats the problem. They cost society, family and the health system. They are the ones you target to turn a profit.
Alcohol is a problem for society.
Tobacco is a problem for society. It's only just now we are getting a handle on it after billions spent.
Not sure that adding weed is a great idea.

 

[Humid]

Starring Tisme....

Didn’t I read somewhere that you weren’t a crusader or is my mind fading due to substance abuse?
So you’ve gone from not a crusader even though your sons friends episodes?
You might pick up a scent around pot smokers and I pick up a scent around people like you...
Bull....

 

[Tisme]

Starring Tisme....

Didn’t I read somewhere that you weren’t a crusader or is my mind fading due to substance abuse?
So you’ve gone from not a crusader even though your sons friends episodes?
You might pick up a scent around pot smokers and I pick up a scent around people like you...
Bull....

As I suggested, try using your vast talent and intellect trying stop the disease, enrol in charitable work and use that energy doing something constructive rather than socially destructive.

I know it's hard on quick mouths and lazy motivation, but I have faith in you and think of how many young minds you could save from a lifetime of meh.

As soon as you resort to vulgar personal insults you have declared your status and inability to communicate effectively

 

[Humid]

Right now weed is in the hands of the people. Those that want it can get it. Its not available to a lot of the weak minded.
Once the govt and corporations get a hold of it, then it all changes.

Think of the early days of alcohol and cigarettes. We already have the propaganda of weed being a miracle cure all. Its big business, and a rush for stronger strains that are always available.

And yes, some people have addictive tendencies. Thats the problem. They cost society, family and the health system. They are the ones you target to turn a profit.
Alcohol is a problem for society.
Tobacco is a problem for society. It's only just now we are getting a handle on it after billions spent.
Not sure that adding weed is a great idea.

I think cigarette smoking in young people has declined in what I’ve seen.
Regulation and education seems to be working don’t you think?

 

[moXJO]

My point is much like others, yes drugs are bad. They do have devastating impacts on society. But the war drugs has been an abject failure so lets try a new approach. If that does not work lets try something else? I think we will up end finding it is case of, what is the least worst approach? as it is the human condition that drugs will always ruin a portion of the population.

Has it been a failure?
Alcohol problem is widespread because its accepted. I could name suburbs of people that abuse it. I could name doctors, lawyers, politicians. I could name countries where almost every man has destroyed themselves on alcohol.
Cigarettes are the same.

It's not foolproof but it stemmed the tide. Ice is ravaging the community but its currently within a certain portion of the population. Its not accepted. God forbid if a drug that can make you have sex non stop were to become accepted.

I was in Sydney hospital with a doctor where an ice addict had used so much over his life he had destroyed his brain and could only make moaning and growling sounds. Doctor said he didn't have much longer. But I also knew people that used it for a bit then moved on. You just don't know who it will destroy.

I accept people can use things safely. But not all people can. And once things are legal, we expose more people to the dangers.

 

[Humid]

I do remember some young people jumping off buildings high on SYNTHETICS
Which come about through the illegality of marijuana

 

[moXJO]

I think cigarette smoking in young people has declined in what I’ve seen.
Regulation and education seems to be working don’t you think?

Yes it has. Plenty of young women still taking it up. We basically had to make it as close to illegal while still managing to get a tax revenue.

 

[Tisme]

I do remember some young people jumping off buildings high on SYNTHETICS
Which come about through the illegality of marijuana

So people jumped off buildings in protest of their use of narcotics? That's a very long bow to draw and smacks of desperation to bulletin board points score on the back of a tragedy.

Narcosis drives irrational behaviour, it also leaves a legacy of its victims trying to persuade good people to conjoin the ranks as a way of mitigating the guilt of being a weak minded drone who needs to be high to fit in.

Some of us are confident enough to respect the few who have no need to permanently destroy their frontal lobes for popularity.

 

[Humid]

Did you not hear about Kronic?


What I see is someone who cherry picks the internet,personalises it and uses it to forward their agenda
Sound familiar

 

[Tisme]

Did you not hear about Kronic?


What I see is someone who cherry picks the internet,personalises it and uses it to forward their agenda
Sound familiar

Yes it does. It sounds like you have discovered introspection as a tool. This might be good for you in the long run and I, for one, would welcome the opportunity to have a mature discussion once you have come out the other side, healed.

Glad I could have been of assistance.

 

[Humid]

Cool.....since we’re getting along drop in for some cones

 

[fiftyeight]

As soon as you resort to vulgar personal insults you have declared your status and inability to communicate effectively

Haha coming from one of the most abusive members on ASF

 

[fiftyeight]

You've been back peddling ever since you realised your early posts in this thread, trying to use e.g. me as a stooge, were tantamount to promotion of drug dependency and narcobots.

Tisme's idea of engaging in debate 101

 

[fiftyeight]

I accept people can use things safely. But not all people can. And once things are legal, we expose more people to the dangers.

I am not debating if drugs are harmful or not. The only debate I am trying to have is if prohibition reduces consumption vs legalising and spending the money saved on law enforcement and prisons on social services for drug abusers.

We both have the same goal of reducing the number of people who abuse drugs.

 

[Tisme]

I am not debating if drugs are harmful or not. The only debate I am trying to have is if prohibition reduces consumption vs legalising and spending the money saved on law enforcement and prisons on social services for drug abusers.

We both have the same goal of reducing the number of people who abuse drugs.

Consumption has gone through the roof in the US and recruits has to. Of course the weed heads have been running around trying to debunk the facts.

I'm sure you guys will too

When people start dying on roads because of an unnecessary state sanctioned drug, we'll all just have to satisfy ourselves that alcohol is worse, US blacks were once slaves, so we aren't responsible.

http://www.dontdecriminalize.org/wp.../RockyMountHIghColoradoCannabisReport2017.pdf

 

[Tisme]

Augmentation rather than substitution ... who wooda thunk it ...doh

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2017/06/marijuana-legalization-college-students/530607/

 

[moXJO]

I am not debating if drugs are harmful or not. The only debate I am trying to have is if prohibition reduces consumption vs legalising and spending the money saved on law enforcement and prisons on social services for drug abusers.

We both have the same goal of reducing the number of people who abuse drugs.

I'm not sure social services work that well. Generational education probably works better, as with tobacco. You look at alcohol and I'm not sure it works that well, drink driving etc. Even with AA people have a life long battle. Rehab fails a lot. Is keeping the majority away from it safer in the long run?

I'm honestly not up to scratch on all the stats and would have to review. Its twenty years down the track when we have a problem with most substances as the health issues become known.

 

[fiftyeight]

I'm not sure social services work that well. Generational education probably works better, as with tobacco. You look at alcohol and I'm not sure it works that well, drink driving etc. Even with AA people have a life long battle. Rehab fails a lot. Is keeping the majority away from it safer in the long run?

I'm honestly not up to scratch on all the stats and would have to review. Its twenty years down the track when we have a problem with most substances as the health issues become known.

Agree, poor choice of words. Public education, early intervention.....like with everything it requires a layered or network response and some people will fall through.

The people battling with it will have a life long battle regardless of the legality, they will always find a way to get it. I don't think we do keep the majority away from it in the long run. I went to 3 high schools, 1 in a low socio-economic area and 2 at the upper end. The kids who wanted to try weed at all 3 had more than enough access to experiment.

There has been easy access to weed for a lot longer than 20 years?

 

[fiftyeight]

Consumption has gone through the roof in the US and recruits has to. Of course the weed heads have been running around trying to debunk the facts.

I'm sure you guys will too

When people start dying on roads because of an unnecessary state sanctioned drug, we'll all just have to satisfy ourselves that alcohol is worse, US blacks were once slaves, so we aren't responsible.

http://www.dontdecriminalize.org/wp.../RockyMountHIghColoradoCannabisReport2017.pdf

Haha more quality trolling

dontdecriminalize.org haha