The Australian Greens party

[fiftyeight]

Try convincing someone on the other side of the fence of that. The favourite excuse from their lips are things like "it's harmless", "other (insert poison) is legal", "it medicinal", "everyone does it", "I self medicate", "safer than", et al.

I imagine the first thing most "everyone" parents do is softly raise their new born baby in their arms , peer into their eyes and gently whisper "I'm going to make sure you a wonderful life being drug f$%ked"... it's only fair they should enjoy the advantages too.

You forgot the most common by far reason/excuse.....IT IS FUN

Do you consume alcohol Tisme?

 

[Tisme]

You forgot the most common by far reason/excuse.....IT IS FUN

Do you consume alcohol Tisme?

1. Yeah but you don't hear that as an excuse.
2. do you?

 

[fiftyeight]

1. Yup, hence why I said it is the most common?
2. Yes. Again do you?

 

[Tisme]

1. Yup, hence why I said it is the most common?
2. Yes. Again do you?

Yes, but usually go for weeks even months between sips

 

[fiftyeight]

Yes, but usually go for weeks even months between sips

This where I got lost in this debate. How is you partaking in your drug of choice at a frequency you see fit acceptable and lawful but I cannot partake in my drug of choice at a frequency that suits me without fear of arrest and prosecution.

If you were arguing for the total ban of all recreational drugs, I would politely disagree while acknowledging the argument has a sound moral footing and logic behind it, all drugs have negative effects on society.

The contradiction in position boggles my mind. It boggles my mind that a rational thinker such as yourself could legitimately argue against all recreational drugs except one (major) one.....which happens to be your own.

Hmmm this is starting to have shades of theism argument, all gods are false profits except one.....my own he/she is legit 100% I wonder if there is any correlation?

You are yet to set out a bunch of testable variables that given the correct result could change your opinion on the legality of weed?

 

[Tisme]

This where I got lost in this debate. How is you partaking in your drug of choice at a frequency you see fit acceptable and lawful but I cannot partake in my drug of choice at a frequency that suits me without fear of arrest and prosecution.

If you were arguing for the total ban of all recreational drugs, I would politely disagree while acknowledging the argument has a sound moral footing and logic behind it, all drugs have negative effects on society.

The contradiction in position boggles my mind. It boggles my mind that a rational thinker such as yourself could legitimately argue against all recreational drugs except one (major) one.....which happens to be your own.

Hmmm this is starting to have shades of theism argument, all gods are false profits except one.....my own he/she is legit 100% I wonder if there is any correlation?

You are yet to set out a bunch of testable variables that given the correct result could change your opinion on the legality of weed?

I was hoping you were going to surprise me by not being so predictably transparent. You know, something clever rather than hackneyed.

I have done this same dance to death with people with pedigree. You want to act all amateur Sherlock Holmes, go for it, but you ain't playing in the right league and I ain't relegating myself. You would probably be better just playing house and pinafores with bas or satanfsh... more your peers than mine.

 

[cynic]

 

[fiftyeight]

I was hoping you were going to surprise me by not being so predictably transparent. You know, something clever rather than hackneyed.

I have done this same dance to death with people with pedigree. You want to act all amateur Sherlock Holmes, go for it, but you ain't playing in the right league and I ain't relegating myself. You would probably be better just playing house and pinafores with bas or satanfsh... more your peers than mine.

I have been see-through from the start? My bias, motives and question were stated in my first post/posts. I was never trying to surprise anyone.

I have refrained from using TRANS-parent as I do not want offend

I am honoured you see me as a pedigree, even if it is a substandard pedigree. I would of described myself more as a mut named Toby. I could be described as an "ugly long haired, lop-eared creature, half spaniel and half lurcher, brown and white in colour, with a very clumsy waddling gait"

Throw some catnip in my pipe and away I go searching for the ever elusive Satan fish. What a great book "The adventure of the tree hugging hippy"

 

[Tisme]

I have been see-through from the start? My bias, motives and question were stated in my first post/posts. I was never trying to surprise anyone.

I think it's fairly obvious what your agenda was from the get go:
1. to troll me as a means to:
2. contrast a fallacious picture of your being Mr Happy because of recreational drugs abuse.

I see no need to apologise for not needing mind altering drugs to cope with life.

 

[fiftyeight]

Nah not trolling, I have not even started yet. Just a bit of friendly banter. 7,539 posts de-railing constructive conversations, I assumed you would not have an issue with a bit of banter.

You seem quite inept at interpreting what others are trying to convey. I lead a happy and productive life in spite of my drug abuse, just as you do…I think

 

[moXJO]

Nah not trolling, I have not even started yet. Just a bit of friendly banter. 7,539 posts de-railing constructive conversations, I assumed you would not have an issue with a bit of banter.

You seem quite inept at interpreting what others are trying to convey. I lead a happy and productive life in spite of my drug abuse, just as you do…I think

What drug?
Ice, xtc, hammer, pot.

I was surrounded by it at a young age and saw the deaths it created.

Alcohol is probably the worst. You look at Thailand and the men there have been severely affected. Same with indigenous in Aust and NZ.
Just because you can use it safely doesn't mean the rest can. Those that abuse it cost society greatly.
I'm all for freedom but I have come to realize that to greater portion of the population is too stupid to truly be free.

You can get drugs already. So enjoy.

 

[fiftyeight]

What drug?
Ice, xtc, hammer, pot.

I was surrounded by it at a young age and saw the deaths it created.

Alcohol is probably the worst. You look at Thailand and the men there have been severely affected. Same with indigenous in Aust and NZ.
Just because you can use it safely doesn't mean the rest can. Those that abuse it cost society greatly.
I'm all for freedom but I have come to realize that to greater portion of the population is too stupid to truly be free.

You can get drugs already. So enjoy.

I agree with everything you have said here. Drugs do cause great harm to society. They always have done and most likely always will do.

 

[Tisme]

Nah not trolling, I have not even started yet. Just a bit of friendly banter. 7,539 posts de-railing constructive conversations, I assumed you would not have an issue with a bit of banter.

You seem quite inept at interpreting what others are trying to convey. I lead a happy and productive life in spite of my drug abuse, just as you do…I think

Then you need to write so we can comprehend succinctly what you are trying say.

 

[fiftyeight]

Then you need to write so we can comprehend succinctly what you are trying say.

Haha, thanks for the laughs Tisme!!!!

 

[SirRumpole]

The contradiction in position boggles my mind. It boggles my mind that a rational thinker such as yourself could legitimately argue against all recreational drugs except one (major) one.....which happens to be your own.

That's a fair point. Another point is that we have learned our lesson from alcohol abuse and we don't want more drugs stuffing up the majority of the populace so we marginalise cannabis users and treat them as criminals so the majority don't get out of hand.

 

[fiftyeight]

That's a fair point. Another point is that we have learned our lesson from alcohol abuse and we don't want more drugs stuffing up the majority of the populace so we marginalise cannabis users and treat them as criminals so the majority don't get out of hand.

Agree, that argument definitely has merit. Following this logic, then the next logical step would be to make alcohol illegal to further marginalise all drug takers serve as a warning?

Another better option following this logic could possibly be to make alcohol illegal and legalise weed. If as others have argued and making a drug illegal reduces use, we would reduce the amount of damage caused by alcohol. We would still have damage to society caused by legalising weed but there is a high likelihood it would be much less.

This would not change my life much, instead of buying a 6 pack from the bottle shop I would just have to buy it from sketchy Al Capone dude. Upside, maybe the gangsters and dealers would start dressing like the gangsters from the 20's

 

[basilio]

Agree, that argument definitely has merit. Following this logic, then the next logical step would be to make alcohol illegal to further marginalise all drug takers serve as a warning?

Another better option following this logic could possibly be to make alcohol illegal and legalise weed. If as others have argued and making a drug illegal reduces use, we would reduce the amount of damage caused by alcohol. We would still have damage to society caused by legalising weed but there is a high likelihood it would be much less.

This would not change my life much, instead of buying a 6 pack from the bottle shop I would just have to buy it from sketchy Al Capone dude. Upside, maybe the gangsters and dealers would start dressing like the gangsters from the 20's

Dangerously logical... Now what happened in the US between 1919 and 1932 ?? Ah so.

 

[SirRumpole]

Another better option following this logic could possibly be to make alcohol illegal and legalise weed.

Why do we have to replace alcohol with weed ?

A better way is just cut down on alcohol consumption. Don't let supermarkets sell it, have volumetric taxation, shut pubs at midnight etc.

 

[fiftyeight]

Why do we have to replace alcohol with weed ?

A better way is just cut down on alcohol consumption. Don't let supermarkets sell it, have volumetric taxation, shut pubs at midnight etc.

Definitely no need to replace alcohol with weed, we can make all recreational drugs illegal.


But if we are going to make just one drug legal it makes much more sense to make it the least damaging. Out of the widely used recreational drugs weed would be a strong contender as the least damaging to society.


As I said before, I do not smoke weed but I do have a few beers every other weekend. Legalising weed and making alcohol illegal this would be a massive inconvenience for me. I don’t believe making a drug illegal would reduce use, but I could be wrong. If making a drug illegal does reduce usage and as a society we choose to make just one drug legal I feel it should be the least damaging.

 

[fiftyeight]

Prohibition working well!!

http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw...s/news-story/9aa7cef2d62eac70a50c03e5d785d276