The Australian Greens party

[Calliope]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

Received this in my inbox tonight. You will not see any other political party reaching out to all of its members to have their say in setting policy and changes to the constitution. The Greens are growing strong because they listen to all the people equally.

The problem James Explod, is that they are reaching out to idiots.

 

[explod]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

They didn't listen to Julia Gillard when she said there would be no carbon tax under a government she leads.

Congratulations on being a member btw.

She was obviously not a sufficient part of the consensus.

 

[drsmith]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

She was obviously not a sufficient part of the consensus.

Some are more equal than others.

 

[explod]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

The problem James Explod, is that they are reaching out to idiots.

Interesting that you can differentiate;

and would be most interested in your qualification of the assertion.

 

[explod]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

Some are more equal than others.

In "Animal Farm" they were purported to be kicking the same way. Gillard doesn't even know where to kick let alone be instep with Green ideals.

 

[drsmith]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

In "Animal Farm" they were purported to be kicking the same way. Gillard doesn't even know where to kick let alone be instep with Green ideals.

Gillard represented those who voted for Labor.

The few with Green ideals were therefore became more equal than the vast majority of Australian voters.

 

[explod]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

Gillard represented those who voted for Labor.

The few with Green ideals were therefore became more equal than the vast majority of Australian voters.

Was that the Greens fault?

 

[sails]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

Was that the Greens fault?

Nope, it was labor's fault for pandering to them rather than doing their job of democratically representing the majority of voters, imo.

 

[drsmith]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

Was that the Greens fault?

They didn't pull the trigger, but they provided the bullets.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Greens Endorse Consumerism, Losing Ethic

I rode my bicycle sans helmet up to Myer in Stocklands Townsville today.

The usual Crisco moisturised matrons were in attendance buying up bling they would never use.

I saw four comrades commit crimes against Myer, one a well proportioned lass who walked out with a divine Wedding Dress. Perhaps her resemblance to the bouncers saved her from time.

From Jenny Hill Mayor of Townsville ( A Green, don't ask )

Mayor Jenny Hill said Townsville had been crying out for a major department store to set up shop in the city.

"It's fantastic Jennifer Hawkins will be making the trip up to open Myer's new store," she said.

"I think it shows Myer's faith in Townsville by sending the face of the brand up to the opening.

"The Townsville store could end up one of Myer's most successful in the country," Cr Hill said.

The Greens now endorse consumerism.

What a mob of losers

gg

 

[cynic]

Re: Greens Endorse Consumerism, Losing Ethic

It's great to see that I'm not the only one up at this early hour of morning, GG.

Much as I despise the hypocrisy of certain idealistic movements, I do sometimes think that it pays to encourage the more conciliatory pursuits in the hope that the more antagonistic agendas gradually dissipate.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Re: Greens Endorse Consumerism, Losing Ethic

It's great to see that I'm not the only one up at this early hour of morning, GG.

Much as I despise the hypocrisy of certain idealistic movements, I do sometimes think that it pays to encourage the more conciliatory pursuits in the hope that the more antagonistic agendas gradually dissipate.

I'm doing night fill at Myer with a posse of Afghani's.

$194 ph, whose complaining.

Watermelon Greens are evil.

gg

from a cracked ipad mini.

gg

 

[cynic]

Re: Greens Endorse Consumerism, Losing Ethic

I'm doing night fill at Myer with a posse of Afghani's.

...Watermelon Greens are evil.

gg...

+1

I'm all for the open expression of political ideals even those which I find disagreeable, but I share your abhorrence of anyone engaging in acts of misrepresentation in the pursuance of their hidden agendas (i.e. using environmental concern as an excuse for the sabotage of private industry).

In effect such people know that the public would reject them if their true intentions were known, hence the deception. This in itself is something that I find decidedly sinister. Unfortunately, it happens to be prevalent in today's society.

The sooner the voting populace become more discerning the better, because like yourself, I'm growing tired of seeing Australians continue to be hoodwinked.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Re: Greens Endorse Consumerism, Losing Ethic

+1

I'm all for the open expression of political ideals even those which I find disagreeable, but I share your abhorrence of anyone engaging in acts of misrepresentation in the pursuance of their hidden agendas (i.e. using environmental concern as an excuse for the sabotage of private industry).

In effect such people know that the public would reject them if their true intentions were known, hence the deception. This in itself is something that I find decidedly sinister. Unfortunately, it happens to be prevalent in today's society.

The sooner the voting populace become more discerning the better, because like yourself, I'm growing tired of seeing Australians continue to be hoodwinked.

+1

gg

Sorry my Afghani posse are trying to flee south, and my $194 ph may be at risk, I do pay them the minimum wage, some folk don't show couth.

Watch out for misplaced Large and XL in the morn, at Myer Townsville.

Yours with concern for the Watermelon Green Agenda , big business, and Garpal Gumnut Inc's best interests .



gg

sent from a cracked ipad

gg

 

[Smurf1976]

Re: Greens Endorse Consumerism, Losing Ethic

I'm all for the open expression of political ideals even those which I find disagreeable, but I share your abhorrence of anyone engaging in acts of misrepresentation in the pursuance of their hidden agendas (i.e. using environmental concern as an excuse for the sabotage of private industry).

In effect such people know that the public would reject them if their true intentions were known, hence the deception.

Probably the most accurate statement I've ever read on the whole issue.

It never was about a dam which was built (which is the issue which lead to the formation of what is now the Greens) and it wasn't really about the next dam (which wasn't built) either.

Nor was it really about a power station in the suburbs of Melbourne (that one had more to do with union issues than the environment). And nor was it really about the outfall from a pulp mill that was never built and it's not really about a mine today.

The Greens oppose the economic system as it stands. Period. I'm not saying it's wrong or right, just that that's what it is.

Liberal is essentially a party of (mostly) conservatives who are pro-capitalist. They rely heavily in induced fear surrounding social issues to gain support, backed by a "we'll keep the economy strong" line.

Labor is essentially a party of unionists with a finger in the capitalist pie and a moderately progressive social agenda. They rely heavily on induced fear or unrestrained capitalism to gain support, aided by a somewhat progressive social agenda.

Greens is essentially a party which opposes the economic system as it stands. They rely on induced fear surrounding the environmental effects of specific development proposals, particularly those located in Tasmania, as the primary driver of support, at times aided by a social agenda which is essentially the reverse of the Liberals.

My own view is "do your own research" before taking a firm view on any of this. Most Australians live within a fairly easy drive of dams, power stations, big factories etc - you can easily go there and verify whether or not there's pollution etc yourself. Likewise most could join a union if they wanted to find out what they're about as well. And there's plenty of available resources to learn about capitalism, religion etc too.

Do your own research.

 

[DB008]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

Piers Akerman has a great article on 'the greens' in todays Sydney Herald. Page 13.

 

[Calliope]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

Piers Akerman has a great article on 'the greens' in todays Sydney Herald. Page 13.

The article is in the Daily Telegraph.

http://blogs.news.com.au/dailyteleg...nts/green_turning_red_in_watermelon_politics/

 

[DB008]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

The article is in the Daily Telegraph.

oops....

 

[noco]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

The article is in the Daily Telegraph.

http://blogs.news.com.au/dailyteleg...nts/green_turning_red_in_watermelon_politics/

Yes Calliope it is very true in every word.

I have stated a couple of times on this forum as to how far socialist left the Greens are and that in my mind is near enough to communism. Communism was rife in the 50's and 60's in Australia and I personally observed the damage they did through the various unions. Their aim has always been to wreck the economy of a counrty and to create discontent with workers. Their aim of course is to have all industries run by a dictatorship Government whereby the Governemnt claims ownership to all business. It failed badly in Russia, Cuba, North Korea and in modern day China there is a gradual shift away from communism.

I have also stated a couple of times I believe the Greens have reached thier peak and are now in decline.

 

[Smurf1976]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

It's not the Greens per se but near enough.

All sounds very exciting. If you know nothing about the issue, and have never protested before, then come along and we'll show you how. The only thing that's changed over the past few decades is the target industry it seems.

For those not aware, most of the timber industry in Tas has already been shut down. The chip mills are shut. The Burnie and Wesley Vale paper mills are being physically demolished. What this is about is trying to shut down that little bit which remains, the veneer industry (something that environmentalists once advocated by the way, but that's another story).

So that's the timber industry pretty much finished it seems and of course hydro-electric development and heavy industry was halted in its' tracks years ago. No prizes for guessing that the next target has already been announced - it's the mining industry (hardly surprising since there's not much else left that they could target).

Meanwhile we import $ billions worth of timber each year, much of it from environmentally very dubious sources. That problem is in someone else's backyard however.....