The Australian Greens party

[explod]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

Noticed Christine Milne having a go at our involvement in Afghanistan. So we can take refugees no sweat, but God forbid we try and help to fix their country. Gutless greens

There has been 33 years of outside military interference in Afghanistan to no avail.

Much better to take genuine refugees directly and cut down on the corrupt illegal boats.

Aid such as education is the only way to allow the people to grow above their draconian beliefs and the enslavement of women in those parts of the world.

Guns and aggression has never worked. Bring back the concepts of the "Colombo Plan".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colombo_Plan

Milne is on the right track on this in my view.

 

[moXJO]

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There has been 33 years of outside military interference in Afghanistan to no avail.

Much better to take genuine refugees directly and cut down on the corrupt illegal boats.

Aid such as education is the only way to allow the people to grow above their draconian beliefs and the enslavement of women in those parts of the world.

Guns and aggression has never worked. Bring back the concepts of the "Colombo Plan".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colombo_Plan

Milne is on the right track on this in my view.

Maybe you missed this.

Afghanistan's ambassador in Canberra, Nasir Andisha, also strongly rejected Senator Milne's description of the coalition's involvement, saying progress on education alone was a remarkable turnaround.

"We had zero girls going to school in 2001 and now we have almost three million girls going to school," he said. "Two million girls, educated women, will be an army enough to fight the Taliban, insurgents and extremists."

Exactly how were the greens or you going to bring education to Afghanistan with the taliban in control? What do you think happens to the aid in these countries?
Maybe long distance online learning is the answer for the greens when it comes to these situations

 

[AbrasiveCamel]

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Noticed Christine Milne having a go at our involvement in Afghanistan. So we can take refugees no sweat, but God forbid we try and help to fix their country. Gutless greens

Yeah and all those magical things our "involvement" has brought will surely hold on up when we leave, so those count. We are only trying to "help to fix" Afghanistan right? We are so noble.

 

[explod]

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Will definitely go the way of the democrats, now.
Rightly or wrongly.
Brown had a very clear vision, and intellect. I don't think there is much in his wake!
Climate change will become more mainstream and integrated into major party policies as they attempt to manage it
Looks like we will be putting up with Laurel and Hardy with a massive majority for at least 3 years.

The support base and number in the Senate go way beyond that ever achieved by the Democrats.

Don Chips idea was more of a revolt than a the Green's philosophy which has evolved over many years.

The Greens

 

[moXJO]

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Yeah and all those magical things our "involvement" has brought will surely hold on up when we leave, so those count. We are only trying to "help to fix" Afghanistan right? We are so noble.

Yeah better we stand back and let it happen

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

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Yeah and all those magical things our "involvement" has brought will surely hold on up when we leave, so those count. We are only trying to "help to fix" Afghanistan right? We are so noble.

Blame your ALP/Green Minister for Defence, Stephen Smith, mate.

He doesn't like the military and he sets the terms of engagement.

Do not blame our diggers, blame the politicians.

gg

 

[Calliope]

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WINEMAKER Peter Whish-Wilson has been chosen by the Greens to replace Bob Brown in the Senate.

I love the name. If Peter Whish-Wilson cohabited with Sarah Hanson-Young then their offspring would have a surname of Whish-Wilson-Hanson-Young.

 

[Glen48]

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You wish.

First time I have seen text with a hare lip.

 

[Logique]

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WINEMAKER Peter Whish-Wilson has been chosen by the Greens to replace Bob Brown in the Senate...

Why is someone from his background with the Greens. Not sure this will end well. For now the Greens are useful to keep stinky pulp mill smells away his vines, but..what then? Can't quite picture him sitting alongside Lee Rhiannon in the caucus room.

In the wish I'd said that stakes, one blogger said '..who better to understand the chardonnay socialists..'

 

[explod]

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Why is someone from his background with the Greens. Not sure this will end well. For now the Greens are useful to keep stinky pulp mill smells away his vines, but..what then? Can't quite picture him sitting alongside Lee Rhiannon in the caucus room.

In the wish I'd said that stakes, one blogger said '..who better to understand the chardonnay socialists..'

You certainly do not know too much about the Greens. It has moved a long way from the tree hugger days (so labelled) I can assure you.

But I have found trying to get that through to the extreme and blind right here is a waste of time and is why I rarely post any more. My time is better spent within the organisation itself.

 

[Smurf1976]

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You certainly do not know too much about the Greens. It has moved a long way from the tree hugger days (so labelled) I can assure you.

What has been the single biggest area of Green activity at the national level recently? I think most would agree that it has been energy, in particular electricity generation.

Which Australian state has the longest running and most divisive battle over a specific project at present? Tasmania.

What is that project? A pulp mill.

Now, the predecessors of the Australian Greens, the somewhat inappropriately named United Tasmania Group, was originally formed over the specific issue of electricity generation. And the next big issue, the one which put Christine Milne into politics, was a pulp mill (the lack of which is directly responsible for the closure of two paper mills and the more recent proposal for a new pulp mill at an alternative site).

I acknowledge that the Greens have broadened their focus but they are clearly still very firmly attached to the very same issues with which they started and which lead directly to the "tree hugger" tag. The only real change with those "core" issues is that the electricity one has become national rather than Tasmanian, although pulp mills are still really only opposed in Tas (there's quite a few in the other states but hardly a word is said about them).

 

[StumpyPhantom]

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You certainly do not know too much about the Greens. It has moved a long way from the tree hugger days (so labelled) I can assure you.

But I have found trying to get that through to the extreme and blind right here is a waste of time and is why I rarely post any more. My time is better spent within the organisation itself.

Good luck with that Explod - and that's meant sincerely. The problem, if I may say, with the Greens is that their "tree hugger" days (so labelled) were their simplest and clearest.

And a very large proportion of their voter base identify with that, BUT the problem is that the Greens are so vacuous away from their tree-hugging (so labelled) that they're being invaded by all sorts of extremists who sense an opportunity to get on the tree-hugging (so labelled) bandwagon.

Therein lies the problem. But it's not unique to the Greens, judging by what's happening to Australia's oldest political party (Labor) - remember Gillard's "We are US" speech".

So good luck Explod. And don't leave this forum - please. Tell us what you personally stand for on a range of matters. It may one day be on the Greens party platform.

 

[wayneL]

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You certainly do not know too much about the Greens. It has moved a long way from the tree hugger days (so labelled) I can assure you.

But I have found trying to get that through to the extreme and blind right here is a waste of time and is why I rarely post any more.

The so-called 'right' here are neither extreme, nor blind.

A quick read of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right_politics will highlight what a asinine, disingenuous and totally objectionable accusation you and others of the left on this forum make when you use the term 'extreme' right.

As the very title of this thread indicates, people are very aware of the transmogrification of The Greens from 'tree huggers' to a more encompassing agenda. Yes indeed, most members of the center and center/right are well aware of the economic, social and other agendas of The Greens.

As more of the center center/left become aware of this, you will lose support, only really keeping a core of socialist riff-raff lifted from the left of the Labor party and bona fide communists. It may require The Greens to be responsible for a more fully ~~~~ed up Oz economy for a broad awakening of what the Green manifesto contains however.

Which is why...

My time is better spent within the organisation itself.

...you will come to change your mind and realize that you are wasting your time. That is unless you like hanging out with a tiny minority of socialist riff-raff and bona fide communists.

Ozzies may be able to be bribed into temporary dalliances with the authoritarian left, disguised as they are with a green tinge and disgracefully obfuscated offers of something for nothing, but Ozzies are a liberty loving and entrepreneurial people and will not tolerate totalitarians for long.

 

[breaker]

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Well done Wayne

 

[explod]

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Well done Wayne

I have been a member of the Greens for 15 years and well know what is developing.

As 4 W, I will be back in a day or so when time permits.

 

[Logique]

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Wayne saved me some time with his response.

Explod, my experience with Greens is that the more locally engaged they are, the more sense they make. It's when you move up the hierachy that the doubts creep in on the broader policy settings.

I think for an economics graduate and manager of a business, for presumptive Senator Whish-Wilson, an OMG moment is inevitable.

 

[DB008]

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Wayne saved me some time with his response.

Explod, my experience with Greens is that the more locally engaged they are, the more sense they make. It's when you move up the hierachy that the doubts creep in on the broader policy settings.

They aren't called the 'watermelons' for nothing.
Green on the outside
Red on the inside

 

[So_Cynical]

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The so-called 'right' here are neither extreme, nor blind.

That's your opinion and coincidently the opinion of some other members of the ASF right...there are however others on this forum that don't quite see it that way.

 

[wayneL]

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That's your opinion and coincidently the opinion of some other members of the ASF right...there are however others on this forum that don't quite see it that way.

My view is cited. Maybe only Wiki, but challenge that to the peril of your withering credibility.

As for those who "don't quite see it that way", I'd like to see that backed up with at least a modicum of logical argument, otherwise it's just a jaundiced view from the socialist riff-raff and bona fide communists.

 

[MrBurns]

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My only view of the Greens is that they are a waste of space and get in the way of people who actually want to work to achieve something instead of just being obstructive with idealistic policies.