The Australian Greens party

[Calliope]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

The future as decreed by Milne. She leaves us in little doubt that she is running the political agenda.

Tasmanian MP elected as Bob Brown's replacement on Friday
Describes Tony Abbott as "absolutely pathetic"
Has a dream of a ''decarbonised'' economy by 2050

GREENS leader Christine Milne has described Tony Abbott as ''absolutely pathetic'' warning her party would block any future Coalition attempts to scrap the carbon tax.
And she warned Julia Gillard and Treasurer Wayne Swan the budget surplus was not sacrosanct predicting the Greens would not deliver blanket support for budget cuts that hurt families.

The Tasmanian MP who was elected as Senator Bob Brown's replacement on Friday said the Greens would never rollover on abolishing the carbon tax under any future Abbott government.

"Absolutely not. Absolutely not. A carbon price is critical to addressing climate change,'' she said.

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http://www.news.com.au/national/ton...-christine-milne/story-e6frfkvr-1226326823688

 

[explod]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

The latter would be related to the fact, as recently revealed by Bob Brown himself, that he does not have Australia's sovereign interest at heart.

Interesting.

A lot of new immigrants are encourage to provide abundant and cheaper labour in a land that is becoming dominant with an ageing population.

A fair number of new arrivals are directed to seasonal work particularly in fruit growing and vegetable producing areas.

Only a stepping stone away we have teeming millions in South East Asia eyeing us off so we do need to grow our numbers from a future defence point of view as well.

 

[drsmith]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

You're off on a tangent there Explod.

I was referring to Bob Brown's dream of one world government from his fellow earthians speech.

 

[explod]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

You're off on a tangent there Explod.

I was referring to Bob Brown's dream of one world government from his fellow earthians speech.

Migration was definitely a part of your caption from the previous poster and one which is a prime target of misinformation.

 

[drsmith]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

I'm not against migration.

What I'm critical of is the Greens and their former leader's motives.

 

[Julia]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

The future as decreed by Milne. She leaves us in little doubt that she is running the political agenda.

I'll be surprised if she doesn't alienate some of the people who voted Greens essentially because of the sense that Bob Brown was calm and apparently reasonable.
The same cannot be said of Christine Milne who is quasi hysterical and shrill at times.
She's also from the outset taking a combative stance rather than indicating a willingness to negotiate and compromise.

Hard to see this going down well with either the government or the opposition.

My best fantasy is that the Greens are much reduced at the next election and at least that they lose control of the Senate. I've read some journalistic commentary that suggests this may not be fantasy at all.



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[StumpyPhantom]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

My best fantasy is that the Greens are much reduced at the next election and at least that they lose control of the Senate. I've read some journalistic commentary that suggests this may not be fantasy at all.


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I've read that commentary too, suggesting that the Coalition will not need to go to a double dissolution election to get rid of the carbon tax. Although listening to Christopher Pyne on Insiders this morning, he's salivating at the prospect of a DD after the election he describes as a 'referendum on the carbon tax'.

He knows that the DD will be based on Labor bloc of votes in the Senate rejecting the repeal and so he's looking forward to a further (perhaps fatal) decimation of Labor in the DD election. Looks like the post-Gillard mind games have started already...

 

[AbrasiveCamel]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

Interesting.

A lot of new immigrants are encourage to provide abundant and cheaper labour in a land that is becoming dominant with an ageing population.

A fair number of new arrivals are directed to seasonal work particularly in fruit growing and vegetable producing areas.

Only a stepping stone away we have teeming millions in South East Asia eyeing us off so we do need to grow our numbers from a future defence point of view as well.

LOL

Yeah all those well educated SE-Asian peasants are eyeing us off, and, as a collective are plotting to row down here and take over... oh wait what isn't right about that? Oh, reality and not being a moron stuck in the 'yellow peril' era.

 

[explod]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

LOL

Yeah all those well educated SE-Asian peasants are eyeing us off, and, as a collective are plotting to row down here and take over... oh wait what isn't right about that? Oh, reality and not being a moron stuck in the 'yellow peril' era.

Yep, heard the same call and alarm in the 50's and 60's over the huge influx of Italians and Greeks. Then a decade of so on with Indians, Pakistanis and "gulp" Vietnamese. In later times a lot of Chinese (In fact we gained a lot on the gold fields in the 1850"s)

And what did we gain, as the Children and Grandchildren of those immigrants grew up we became an extraordinarily rich and diverse society.

Yes, the world is changing very quickly and we have to go with it or be blown over.

 

[startrader]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

Yep, heard the same call and alarm in the 50's and 60's over the huge influx of Italians and Greeks. Then a decade of so on with Indians, Pakistanis and "gulp" Vietnamese. In later times a lot of Chinese (In fact we gained a lot on the gold fields in the 1850"s)

And what did we gain, as the Children and Grandchildren of those immigrants grew up we became an extraordinarily rich and diverse society.

Yes, the world is changing very quickly and we have to go with it or be blown over.

It might be a really good idea for you to re-read Abrasive Camel's post as it looks like you have completely missed his point!

 

[explod]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

It might be a really good idea for you to re-read Abrasive Camel's post as it looks like you have completely missed his point!

Of course, never too sure of the language of you younger ones.

I do know that most of the immigrants that have come over the last 60 years have been hard working and the children educated to many of the higher positions of technology and medicine.

Our higher faculty hospitals are full of them and is one of the reasons we lead the world at research level.

 

[joea]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

Well it has started already. Milne is blaming Abbott for Labor having to pull a surplus at the budget.
We all know that if there is a surplus, it will be a surplus on "paper only".

So what has Bob achieved? He now has two women opposing Abbott and not one.
God help Tony!

joea

 

[dutchie]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

Everyone is saying the Greens are doomed, especially with Milne in charge.

I think they have got that right, with Milne blaming Abbott for Labors surplus push.

What a joke she is!

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...rplus-imperative/story-fn59niix-1226326997717

 

[explod]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

Well Milne is quite correct. The modern world is built on debt, debt is being used to hold up the Dow, to hold Greece et. al together and it has been a prime part of the huge expansion of our home market for the last thirty years.

Of course I do not agree with this Thatcher approach and I feel that most of the pollies either coming from a legal or union background would not have a clue as to the real economics taking place.

Government aiming for a surplus is ridiculous, it is supposed to be a zero sum game, income equals expenditure. Costello and Howard got onto the idea that a surplus is the go and it is b...@#t. Gillard does have the idea that having changed her mind on the carbon issue she cannot do so any more. (as said a few pages back, she has lost the plot) As Milne says, times have changed and people are losing jobs and hurting, it is time to try to stimulate, and having a surplace will not do that at this time.

I think that as the dust settles in a few months Milne will finally prove to be the woman up to the real task of today's tough political scene.

Only time will tell, second guessing rubbish will not.

 

[MrBurns]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

Everyone is saying the Greens are doomed, especially with Milne in charge.

I think they have got that right, with Milne blaming Abbott for Labors surplus push.

What a joke she is!

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...rplus-imperative/story-fn59niix-1226326997717

Yes I saw that Greens voters will think again, what a ratbag Brown is running in the face of defeat.

 

[MrBurns]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

Well Milne is quite correct. The modern world is built on debt, debt is being used to hold up the Dow, to hold Greece et. al together and it has been a prime part of the huge expansion of our home market for the last thirty years.

Of course I do not agree with this Thatcher approach and I feel that most of the pollies either coming from a legal or union background would not have a clue as to the real economics taking place.

Government aiming for a surplus is ridiculous, it is supposed to be a zero sum game, income equals expenditure. Costello and Howard got onto the idea that a surplus is the go and it is b...@#t. Gillard does have the idea that having changed her mind on the carbon issue she cannot do so any more. (as said a few pages back, she has lost the plot) As Milne says, times have changed and people are losing jobs and hurting, it is time to try to stimulate, and having a surplace will not do that at this time.

I think that as the dust settles in a few months Milne will finally prove to be the woman up to the real task of today's tough political scene.

Only time will tell, second guessing rubbish will not.

Yes she's right about the surplus but blaming Abbott is very weak/pathetic.

 

[IFocus]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

I never said there would be no issues that both the Greens and people in regional areas might have the same view on but the reality is that most people in regional areas do not subscribe to the ideals, philosophy etc. of the Greens and recognise that the Greens do not represent their best interests, there is another party that does that called The Nationals. Milne, therefore, will have a huge task to win over 'the bush' as she put it and not one I think she can ever achieve (withour major policy changes).

In WA state politics thats true in Federal politics highly debatable fact is the Nats tow the Liberal line kicking and screaming Katter is the proof of that.

 

[explod]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

Yes I saw that Greens voters will think again, what a ratbag Brown is running in the face of defeat.

Not too sure I can get that. At the last National election they did better than ever so until that's tested again they are still on the rise.

Anecdotally many young people I know are talking Greens for them and regardless of what many on these forums hope they are very conscious and concerned for the environment and the fact that many elders do not seem to care.

Last State election (since the last Fed) here in Victoria we gained our first lower house member.

Many greens are gaining ascendency in Council elections of late as well.

Bob did his job well and has departed at the right time to enjoy some life of his own.

 

[Julia]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

Well Milne is quite correct. The modern world is built on debt, debt is being used to hold up the Dow, to hold Greece et. al together and it has been a prime part of the huge expansion of our home market for the last thirty years.

Of course I do not agree with this Thatcher approach and I feel that most of the pollies either coming from a legal or union background would not have a clue as to the real economics taking place.

Can you explain why you are describing the escalation of debt as a "Thatcher approach"?

 

[StumpyPhantom]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

Not too sure I can get that. At the last National election they did better than ever so until that's tested again they are still on the rise.

Anecdotally many young people I know are talking Greens for them and regardless of what many on these forums hope they are very conscious and concerned for the environment and the fact that many elders do not seem to care.

Last State election (since the last Fed) here in Victoria we gained our first lower house member.

Many greens are gaining ascendency in Council elections of late as well.

Bob did his job well and has departed at the right time to enjoy some life of his own.

I'm interested in the Greens' voter base, Explod. You seem to know. Is it drawn from the idealistic young and the elderly or rich who can now afford to think of the planet when voting? The rest of us who rely on GDP growth to earn money and who are having trouble paying bills don't seem too Green