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The Australian Greens party
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wayneL
VIVA LA LIBERTAD, CARAJO!
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Re: The Greens
Actually, judging by the unnecessary ad hominem in this and your previous post, I don't think you respect GG's opinion at all, even though it is absolutely spot on.
That's your opinion and I respect that.
But what a lot of arm chair gas.
Actually, judging by the unnecessary ad hominem in this and your previous post, I don't think you respect GG's opinion at all, even though it is absolutely spot on.
Re: The Greens
http://greens.org.au/
Suppose more and more welfare supported community members vote for Green party.
Why not?
Money to do nothing while others pay carbon tax
Free dental care
Surely there will be more other people money channelled toward worthy causes and above all recipient does not need to lift a finger, just put their hand out and it will be paid for.
http://greens.org.au/
Suppose more and more welfare supported community members vote for Green party.
Why not?
Money to do nothing while others pay carbon tax
Free dental care
Surely there will be more other people money channelled toward worthy causes and above all recipient does not need to lift a finger, just put their hand out and it will be paid for.
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Re: The Greens
Rubbish, one of the policies being considered is education and retraining of persons on welfare, an example, bringing back tram and train conductors, support in education and in many other areas of direct benefit to the overall community. ALP and Libs in their total support of private enterprise work to reduce labour costs and think they are contributing to private profits. What about service and profits for all of us.
Libs and Labour are controlled by the wealthy influencial lobby groups.
Rubbish, one of the policies being considered is education and retraining of persons on welfare, an example, bringing back tram and train conductors, support in education and in many other areas of direct benefit to the overall community. ALP and Libs in their total support of private enterprise work to reduce labour costs and think they are contributing to private profits. What about service and profits for all of us.
Libs and Labour are controlled by the wealthy influencial lobby groups.
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Re: The Greens
In short, prior to the Greens:
Heavy manufacturing powerhouse, at one point accounting for 23% of Australian energy-intensive industry.
100% reliance on renewable energy for electricity generation.
3% of the national population and an overall economic performance not dissimilar to the rest of the nation.
Clean air even in Hobart and Launceston.
Now the same comparisson today:
Few remaining manufacturing industries, them having been replaced by large scale production of low value wood products (which has trashed the forests) and service industries (most notably tourism). Both pay low wages and offer a narrow range of careers.
Increasingly reliant on coal-fired electricity imported from Victoria plus local generation using Victorian gas. Electricity prices are heading through the roof, and many can simply no longer afford it.
2.2% of the national population and falling.
Air pollution has been an issue for years, with Launceston at one point being the most polluted city in Australia. Virtually all of this pollution is from domestic wood fires, widespread use of which was a Green idea from the days of the great Hydro dams debate.
On the plus side, we've got an inaccessible river that practically nobody has been anywhere near for the past 30 years and which gets one 25th as many visitors as the Hydro's Gordon Dam not too far away.
Not everything's doom and gloom in the island state, but Tasmania has clearly declined relative to the mainland on practically any measure under the past few deacades of unelected Greens effectively running the place. (The state has technically had Labor and Liberal governments much of that time, but with the inevitable blockade of any project the Greens don't like, the official government is that in name only - it's the Greens who have the real power despite the vast majority of Tasmanians voting Labor or Liberal).
An easy way to understand the Greens' policies at work is to compare Tasmania (birth place of the Greens) relative to the other Australian states prior to their emergence and then do the same comparisson now.
In short, prior to the Greens:
Heavy manufacturing powerhouse, at one point accounting for 23% of Australian energy-intensive industry.
100% reliance on renewable energy for electricity generation.
3% of the national population and an overall economic performance not dissimilar to the rest of the nation.
Clean air even in Hobart and Launceston.
Now the same comparisson today:
Few remaining manufacturing industries, them having been replaced by large scale production of low value wood products (which has trashed the forests) and service industries (most notably tourism). Both pay low wages and offer a narrow range of careers.
Increasingly reliant on coal-fired electricity imported from Victoria plus local generation using Victorian gas. Electricity prices are heading through the roof, and many can simply no longer afford it.
2.2% of the national population and falling.
Air pollution has been an issue for years, with Launceston at one point being the most polluted city in Australia. Virtually all of this pollution is from domestic wood fires, widespread use of which was a Green idea from the days of the great Hydro dams debate.
On the plus side, we've got an inaccessible river that practically nobody has been anywhere near for the past 30 years and which gets one 25th as many visitors as the Hydro's Gordon Dam not too far away.
Not everything's doom and gloom in the island state, but Tasmania has clearly declined relative to the mainland on practically any measure under the past few deacades of unelected Greens effectively running the place. (The state has technically had Labor and Liberal governments much of that time, but with the inevitable blockade of any project the Greens don't like, the official government is that in name only - it's the Greens who have the real power despite the vast majority of Tasmanians voting Labor or Liberal).
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Re: The Greens
God bless the Greens.
My 1.5kW solar panel system generated 9.1 kW of electricity today, most of which fed into the grid at a generous rate. Kaching.
At this rate, it'll pay itself off in under 3 years.
Where do I join ? :nuts:
EDIT: And, God bless Coopers.
God bless the Greens.
My 1.5kW solar panel system generated 9.1 kW of electricity today, most of which fed into the grid at a generous rate. Kaching.
At this rate, it'll pay itself off in under 3 years.
Where do I join ? :nuts:
EDIT: And, God bless Coopers.
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Re: The Greens
As for education, that's the standard line governments trot out whenever there is no prospect of the masses getting an actual paid job. Stay at school - that way you're not part of the unemployment stats and it makes the government look better.
I have family members who participated in various training schemes. They'd be employed for the duration of the training, and back on the dole queue the day it ended through no fault of thier own. The whole thing is nothing short of a scam - train people for non-existent jobs in order to keep then occupied. Somone might benefit from it, but an awful lot are just wasting their time because there never was any chance of becoming employed despite having some new skill.
At one point I was a strong Greens (or more correctly, their "Independents" predecessors) suporter. Then I did the maths and saw the problems and went toward Labor. These days I'm somewhere between Labor and Liberal depending on who is running them and what the issues of the day happen to be. You get wiser as you get older...
Tram conductors - a classic example of "creating" a job without creating any wealth to go with it. We could likewise employ thousands of doctors, nurses, road workers and all the rest. Finding work isn't a problem, it's having the money to pay for it that's the issue.
As for education, that's the standard line governments trot out whenever there is no prospect of the masses getting an actual paid job. Stay at school - that way you're not part of the unemployment stats and it makes the government look better.
I have family members who participated in various training schemes. They'd be employed for the duration of the training, and back on the dole queue the day it ended through no fault of thier own. The whole thing is nothing short of a scam - train people for non-existent jobs in order to keep then occupied. Somone might benefit from it, but an awful lot are just wasting their time because there never was any chance of becoming employed despite having some new skill.
At one point I was a strong Greens (or more correctly, their "Independents" predecessors) suporter. Then I did the maths and saw the problems and went toward Labor. These days I'm somewhere between Labor and Liberal depending on who is running them and what the issues of the day happen to be. You get wiser as you get older...
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Re: The Greens
I wasn't being funny (well maybe a bit) Tasmania would be the ideal offshore detention centre.
Easy to maintain border security, as it is off shore.
It can carry a huge amount of people due to its size.
It isn't used for much else and there is nothing of strategic value that any undercover terrorist can blow up.
The financial benefit would be considerable, not only would you save by not sending money to offshore processing, but you employ Tasmanians currently on the dole.
You will save on pollution due to the greenies not having to travel as far to demonstrate.
It was used a couple of hundred years ago with great success.
Like I said earlier, I'm supprised Bob hasn't jumped on it.
I wasn't being funny (well maybe a bit) Tasmania would be the ideal offshore detention centre.
Easy to maintain border security, as it is off shore.
It can carry a huge amount of people due to its size.
It isn't used for much else and there is nothing of strategic value that any undercover terrorist can blow up.
The financial benefit would be considerable, not only would you save by not sending money to offshore processing, but you employ Tasmanians currently on the dole.
You will save on pollution due to the greenies not having to travel as far to demonstrate.
It was used a couple of hundred years ago with great success.
Like I said earlier, I'm supprised Bob hasn't jumped on it.
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Re: The Greens
The Greens have been absolutely joined at the hip to various lobby groups (most notably TWS) since day 1 so there's little difference really.
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Re: The Greens
There's still three factories of strategic value in Tas, though I doubt anyone escaping a detention centre would actually blow them up.
I actually agree that Tas wouldn't be a bad place for it, though I was thinking more of the Bass Strait islands than the rest of Tas.
There's still three factories of strategic value in Tas, though I doubt anyone escaping a detention centre would actually blow them up.
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Re: The Greens
Send'em down to Davis or Macquarie Island.
Bugger Tas or the Bass Strait islands.
Send'em down to Davis or Macquarie Island.
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Re: The Greens
The Greens are absolutely fabulous at stating the obvious and having policy that covers the warm feel good issues.
They have a real problems dealing with the 95% of issues that really matter, as most of them conflict with their ideology.
The Greens are absolutely fabulous at stating the obvious and having policy that covers the warm feel good issues.
They have a real problems dealing with the 95% of issues that really matter, as most of them conflict with their ideology.
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Re: The Greens
What a great idea Dr and put Brown and Sarah Hanson-Young in charge.
Problem is there are too many rats there aleady.
What a great idea Dr and put Brown and Sarah Hanson-Young in charge.
Problem is there are too many rats there aleady.
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Re: The Greens
What about Mawson.
But on a serious note Tasmania would work, they would freeze their Ar$e off and we could put in place an international airport to move them in and out.
Which could be used at a later date, when Labor have stuffed the country and assylum seekers don't want to come here anymore.
Well Dr Smith it has to be better than Northam.
What about Mawson.
But on a serious note Tasmania would work, they would freeze their Ar$e off and we could put in place an international airport to move them in and out.
Which could be used at a later date, when Labor have stuffed the country and assylum seekers don't want to come here anymore.
Well Dr Smith it has to be better than Northam.
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Re: The Greens
Perfect oppportunity with parliamentary numbers to progress this policy, but it appears to have sunk without trace. Through the listing in the manifesto it has perhaps already served the intended purpose?
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Re: The Greens
Greens supporters do not have the best interests of Australia at heart. In fact many of the Green's policies are detrimental to Australia's interests.
If their policies on extractive industries succeeded this country would become a banana republic.
If their open door policy on immigration was adopted we would in time have the Islamic problems which are ruining European society.
They want to pollute the institution of marriage.
They have given no logical reasons for these policies, so I can only assume their motives are to weaken Australian society. Why?:dunno:
Greens supporters do not have the best interests of Australia at heart. In fact many of the Green's policies are detrimental to Australia's interests.
If their policies on extractive industries succeeded this country would become a banana republic.
If their open door policy on immigration was adopted we would in time have the Islamic problems which are ruining European society.
They want to pollute the institution of marriage.
They have given no logical reasons for these policies, so I can only assume their motives are to weaken Australian society. Why?:dunno:
Re: The Greens
Do we really need a self confessed communist in Senator Lee Rhiannon under the guise of a Greenie in Parliament?
Please scroll down to the latter part of this link to read a full account of this unworthy senator.
http://www.thesydneyinstitute.com.au/media-watch-dog/
Do we really need a self confessed communist in Senator Lee Rhiannon under the guise of a Greenie in Parliament?
Please scroll down to the latter part of this link to read a full account of this unworthy senator.
http://www.thesydneyinstitute.com.au/media-watch-dog/
